Why naked characters are forbidden in Daz?
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I think that is because of Paypal but I'm not sure. I'm just curious
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and family friendly forum apparently
It's not because of Paypal. That may have been true once, but now a lot of sites that allow naked characters still accept Paypal. DAZ wants to keep their image family-friendly.
Worksafe crosses the mind. Go to renderotica. Can you go there from your work space?
Personally, I'm fine with that. It's bad enough to have to look at the details of a body map at five in the morning without coffee for troubleshooting, but I am not really keen on having to wade through the stuff in forum posts. Not to mention that DAZ 3D would be blocked in access from my work place, so no more surfing the site in my coffee breaks. Got into enough problems with all the naked skin in the shop.
I agree. The policy is fine with me especially after having been to renderotica and seeing some of the thoughts turned pictures. Not that I'm all into censorship. I mean, do what you dig as long as no one gets hurt. But I like to think of Daz as a "coffee shop" type place and Renderotica...more like a strip club. Both fine establishments but serving people with different appetites.
It may also be a Utah Thing, though that's purely conjecture.
There's no age restriction on accessing the site, therefore the content has to be age-appropriate for all ages. Since DAZ sells to international clients as well they have to be aware of meeting local content standards too.
Hi,
I understand the arguments over here very well.
But for all people thinking "age-appropriate": Isn't it annoying for such a user that starting a new scene in DAZ, placing a character and going near your character with the camera the first time it ever gets onto the genital region of your character? That's what annoies me!
Nudity doesn't mean automatically to show bare genitalia.
Following the policies of this forum it isn't possible to discuss for example difficulties with the nipple maps, cause every explaining picture automatically would be censored out (of cause).
Nobody wants to show bare genitalia over here in the forum if asking for the possibility to discuss nudity related products or aspects. It's a pitty to see once again that some people only think into one direction.
And your bare nipple still would end up getting the forum censored in many a workplace, no matter how technical it is.
You can post the image to a website such as DeviantArt (which requires users to verify their age before showing NSFW images), then post a link to it in the forum to discuss your issues or questions when working on nude figures.
I love this comparison. And I agree, I think I've looked at Renderotica's products once and there's tons I dislike (mostly how the shop is structured. It feels cluttered and the promo pics are mostly terrible in quality). I like that Daz doesn't include nudity in their site since that, as everyone mentioned, makes it safe to browse everywhere. Plus, I really like the clean structure of the store as a whole. Filtering can still use some work, but that's just me.
I'm in Europe, and if I watch naked people on a website (artificial or not) at my workplace, I still get the "you've been warned" letter from my employer. That has nothing to do with the USA, it's just common workplace courtesy. And you don't really want to end up with a sexual harrassment suit on your file just because colleague X walked up behind you and saw someone's artificial junk on screen, not to mention that your reputation will go down the drain for "watching porn".
So, if there's nakidness allowed, this site would no longer be worksafe.
I am glad I am not the only one who keeps thinking that.
That's weird, the last three companies I worked for were completely fine with it as long as we produced results.
Well, but other people are allowed to surf the net in their coffee breaks... and yes, even in Paris, you'd get into trouble for the naked female breast in a workplace situation.
LOL, I once interviewed at a start up in Melbourne, Florida that was poaching workers that they flew me out there to and as my prospective boss was taking me on the rounds to speak with prospective coworkers every one but one person turned from their computers with guilty faces as if they had been surfing the web instead of working.
We didn't even have outside access to the web at most places I worked as there was no productive reason to have it except for a finely curated list relevent to work.
I 'heart' you Bee. You are awesome! You even helped me tremendously in forum with a problem recently I had because I am a stoopid noob at Daz (thank you for helping me!) but... you are missing my point - I am not talking about work safe.
I am talking about American and European cultures and views on nudity.
Americans do not have topless beaches because it is not safe at work. Video game Conan Exiles did not have to put underwear on characters for America a couple months ago that are naked in the the EU release because it is not safe at work. My experience is that it's not uncommon at public news stands in Paris and other EU cities to see a nude woman on the cover of a magazine. In the US that does not happen. Period.
I started my conversation with a real-world criticism. A 5th grade teacher was put on leave without pay because she took her class to the Dallas Museum of Art where one of the students saw a classical nude sculpture and that student's parents complained. How many times have I been to the Louvre with tons of elementary classes going thru....
My Swiss relatives look at Americans as 'backwards' and 'Puritanical' when it comes to nudity. Obviously not everyone is like that here, but as a society as a whole, we view nudity much differently than Europeans.
I work for a subsidiary of a $10 Billion turnover American conglomerate. I'm allowed limited private browsing as long as it's not porn / gambling / terrorist websites. This strikes me as being reasonble and enlightened.
On a more general point, the one thing that does puzzle me on this issue is that sites like DAZ allow gruesome horror images but not nudity. There seems to be a contradiction there to me.
Cheers,
Alex.
Let's drop the cultural sterotyping, please - rules vary within as well as between nations and also depend on context.
Daz has not, that I recall, offered an explanation for the rules on (no) nudity so any discussion is purely speculative.
I work in the graphics department of a small print design company and sometimes have days in a row of downtime (workload ebbs and flows, some days are Shawshank swims, others Im on the beach at Zihuatanejo...) which I can do with as I please as long as Im available, some days we trade off and one person goes home the other watches the shop, others we just sit and surf all day, watch movies, whatever. It does get boring sometimes... but I can't complain.
Well I could, but I won't.
Also, america does have nude beaches.
not sure this question belongs here - just move it if it doesn't?
i read and re-read the Acceptable Ways of Handling Nudity post, and i'm still not sure if the picture i'd like to upload in my daz gallery too is appropriate or not. it's in a grey zone, you can't see genitals because one figure is turned away, the other (centaur) doesn't show, buttocks are unclothed but mostly not visible, and since they're males no nipple issue. also, romantic pose, not more.
i first thought i'd render a "thong" version for sites where nakedness could be an issue, but with subD it took (system heating) hours to my poor laptop to render the pic - not going through it again.
the (possibly) offending item on DevArt
I am cannot read the mind of a gallery mod but I was of the understunding with creatures nudity was OK if no genitals
the "creature" concept went through my mind too, the centaur can't define as remotely human - but the lekkulion looks almost human but for the head-tails...
These are in the gallery:
https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/370491
https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/81665
So one would think you could get away with the lekkulion.
The hand placement would definitely be an issue, as would their proximity. The biped is also skin-coloured rathr than having a hide/pelt so even with the pose adjusted we would probably want more coverage.
thx for the clear answer Richard. i must say it's pretty much what i supposed - though not definitely expected - that gallery mods would think, and i have no problem understanding it - it's not my wish to encourage nor my place to disagree with the official POV here. my pic indeed qualifies as NSFW, that's why i posted in the 1st place.
aah the offending hand... just to clarify - even it exposes my bad posing skills and also nobody cares but for the result - its position wasn't 100% intentional at first. during the pose's fitting to the figures the arms got in the way and the hand landed unfar from where it is now, so i went with the flow and accentuated it, thinking why not - maybe not the wisest choice....
now i could either try to fit in and invest time & energy to modify my scene, or just accept that this render doesn't belong here.
i was tempted to simply opt for the first without much of a fuss - despite the long render time - because i really like how this scene came out, and call me obnoxious clueless noob, but i'm proud of it.
though, while i personally don't have issues with nudity per se, i do have some with fairness, and according to the 2 examples mentioned just above (and probably many more), other works seem to get the much better side of the grey zone. imho, to be fair, TOS is TOS, butt is butt, be it male or female - all the more when the character undubitably qualifies as human and the visible/unsuitable area of skin is comparable (de facto larger counting the hand). as to the proximity, i have better to do than search & compare, but in the back of my mind something tells me a M/F couple wouldn't raise the same question (well, this pose has been sold here, hasn't it, though maybe the original left a few more cm between them...)
so, render time apart, i won't even bother modifying this and instead i might just make it easier for everyone and decide my work generally doesn't belong here - to which probably many agree,,,
yeah.. one would think. but hey, girl, boobies, yay, who doesn't want more. oh wait, me. :/
Welcome to DAZ. Enjoy your naked ladies.