Alternative To Rendering In Daz?????
Faeryl Womyn
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I seem to recall in the old forum that there was a plugin to render images, instead of doing so in Daz. It was suppose to be faster and easier on your computer.
Does anyone remember what it was called, if it's free and where to get it?????
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There are some advantages to rendering with the stand alone version of 3Delight if you are interested. The base version is free to use. There were some tips on the forum on how to use it. I never got very far with it.
I know of 2 plugins for rendering. The first one is called Luxus available here at Daz, but I don't know anything about it .
The other one is Reality by Paolo Ciccone a.k.a Pret-a-3D.
Reality is a plug-in available for Poser and DAZ Studio via LuxRender. It is quite popular and has a large, supportive and helpful customer base. I have Reality...
and love it!
Reality:
http://preta3d.com/
edit: Sorry... I should have also included the link for purchase!! Silly me! For anyone interested, here it is:
http://preta3d.com/purchase-reality/
Me too love the light control of the luxrender. In some cases it can be faster then 2Delight and Reality 3 is coming soon...
I Know! :- )
... I can't wait!
I recommend Luxus instead of Reality.
Free standalong 3delight is limited to two cores, so, it is hard to say it would be really fast.
Greetings,
I don't think that's what @CalieVee means... I think they meant something like the gallery / render library, but more efficient...?
I don't know of one, but I should imagine it should be pretty doable. Right now the Render Library jumps out to (in my case) Preview, which is a bit heavy-weight for just viewing images...
Of course every one of my favorite image viewing programs have gone away over the years, so I don't care as much, and typically just let it use 'whatever'. :-/
Is that what was being asked, or was it more about the 3D rendering engines...?
-- Morgan
I think you may be asking about Render Throttle, which made rendering faster in mist cases. What RT did, was to adjust the Shsding Rate, which couldn't be adjusted in DS2, and was stuck at 0.2. RT allowed you to change that to 1.0 or 2.0, which made renders a lot quicker, at the expense of quality.
Since DS3, users have been able to adjust the SR themselves through the render settings tab, so RT was no longer necessary. You can still do that in DS4.6, set the SR to 4.0 for draft renders (or even higher), and it will make for a much faster render. Most people would use 0.2 for a final render, or even 0.1 in some cases.
Perhaps for a tweakmaster like yourself but for those of us that like to keep it simple i think Reality is the better choice...
I like basic functions like SSS, integration with DAZ Studio or spot renders myself which Reality doesn't have.
But that's another story.
Anyway, another option, while it's not a plug in or an alternative to rendering in DAZ Studio is the Scripted 3Delight Point-Based Occlusion. You select it in the render settings in Render Engine. It's what I use when rendering with DAZ Studio instead of Luxus/LuxRender.
It's part of DAZ Studio, but many people doesn't even know it exists, and I really like the results.
Not plugin but other great rendering alternatives:
E-On Vue (Pioneer version or greater) imports and animated DAZ as Collada. It has a fantastic lighting and rendering capability. Its CPU based rendering system Mo CPU's the faster. GPU is only used in UI.
RealLusion's IClone has a nice real time animation rendering system and with Pipeline Exchange there is now a interface to DAZ products. Live Vue and Poser you can also can pose and animate your figures in IClone.
I know SSS is going to be part of R3 I am just not interested in having to type in formulas I guess it is also due to being used to the results I get with the adjustments I make & how Reality functions. I suppose I could learn Luxus if I absolutely had to.. I find spot render not really needed since you see early results fairly quickly with Lux. Thanks for that other DS render tip HB
We currently use Otoy's Octane for rendering in DAZ. A bit pricey compared to some other options, but it is capable of some absolutely outstanding renders and animations.
You don't have to type formulas into Luxus to use SSS.
Thank you all for the information provided so far. Lux, Octane and Reality are things I currently can't use, mainly because this computer probably won't handle it, seeing as it can't even handle ray tracing from Daz, I have to do my shadows via deep shadow mapping as a result, and secondly money would be a problem at the moment. Render Throttle might be what I remember. What I do remember about the item I am trying to find is that you did not have to do the render inside Daz, but in another program/plugin type thing. I am currently running the last version of 4.5 as I don't think 4.6 will work on this computer. It only has 2 gigs of ram and the processor is 2.20 GHZ. Since Vista is the OS and it uses 1 gig of ram, you can see the dilemma of trying to use certain types of rendering. On the upside, at least I am learning about deep shadow mapping since I never bothered with it before...lol
I know Octane has certain extra requirements and its expensive.
I found DAZ Studio to be more memory intensive than LuxRender which is free. It slow down my machine a bit while rendering. But this won't happen with LuxRender, and usually I'm rendering more than one image at the same time.
Luxus is $19.95 and you can return it if you don't like it. Just so you consider it. And as mentioned above, you don't have to type formulas.
Other than that I don't know alternatives that doesn't cost much. Maybe Blender has more options and you could export from DAZ to it, but it would be extra work...
I am checking the site for lux render now, I don't know if I should click on Daz or stand alone?, based on what I have said about my computer so far.
You need stand-alone. the DAZ link takes you to the plugins for DAZ.
Thank you...will test this out and see what happens.
I think you were takling about rendering with external 3delight by exporting RIB so that you can close DS and free ressource as your computer seems to be low on ressources?
As stated before, Octane, through the plugins, works well.
Another one:
You can try different settings in DAZ Studio to speed up your renders and the tip Hellboy suggested on using Scripted 3Delight is a good way to try it. Adam's list of render settings: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/16085/
Another way also is to render separately for each light in a scene and combine them in Photoshop, GIMP or another photo editor that allows for layers. Then use multiply I think, adjusting the opacity of each layer. It's often much quicker than rendering a scene with all the lights on.
Carrara is faster than 3Delight giving very nice results. And Octane can make very nice renders, but it's slower if you don't have a faster Nvidia card. Reality/LuxRender and Luxus/LuxRender can be slower but very nice. Blender can make nice renders, especially now with Cycles, but if your system is slow, it won't be faster.
turn off indirect light and use carrara it's faster out of all.
This is incorrect.
http://www.3delight.com/en/index.php?page=3DFS_download
http://www.3delight.com/en/index.php?page=3DFS_pricing
The cheapest option is McjTeleBlender http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/2877/ a free exporter to Blender that sets up the materials for Cycles. As both it and Blender are free, I encourage anyone to try it. Much like Luxus it has the advantage that you can keep the default material setup, or tweak the bejezus out of it.
If you are prepared to mess with materials you can do pretty much anything you'd ever want SSS, volume (still experimental, admittedly), etc.
The downside is you do have to learn how to navigate blender a bit.
The trouble with Octane is that unless you take out a second mortgage to pay for it and the extra cost of having a very decent video card since the program heavily relies on how much memory your video card has puts it out of the reach of most people.. Not everyone has $479 USD to splash out on a beta plugin which the Octane for Daz Studio currently is..
Reality and Luxus on the other hand and a more affordable alternative and when the new version of Reality is released for Studio it will allow for better implementation of Hybrid CPU / GPU rendering and Pure GPU Rendering, which puts it pretty darn close to the speed of Octane without the exorbitant cost of Octane..
I know Octane has certain extra requirements and its expensive.
I found DAZ Studio to be more memory intensive than LuxRender which is free. It slow down my machine a bit while rendering. But this won't happen with LuxRender, and usually I'm rendering more than one image at the same time.
Luxus is $19.95 and you can return it if you don't like it. Just so you consider it. And as mentioned above, you don't have to type formulas.
Other than that I don't know alternatives that doesn't cost much. Maybe Blender has more options and you could export from DAZ to it, but it would be extra work...
While Luxus is good it is not a user friendly as Reality is.. There are too many hidden options in Luxus that make it a pain to use..
Hellboy, where exactly is this? How do I do it? (And thanks for the tip) I don't recall seeing the option, but then again, I wasnt exactly looking!
Kevin, I am fascinated by what you say about Carrara. With such a good render engine, why did DAZ not use it in DS I wonder....... ? Was it developed by DAZ?
Any comments you might have to help understand this would be appreciated.
Randy