Vue Frontier 11 Questions
Zenrel
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I got some questions about this product I saw today.
How's the learning curve to understand the fundamentals of this product?
Any tools limitation? Since it's way cheaper than the professional version.
Can stuff like Mix Shaders be transferred over?
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Frontier is limited but useable. Don't be fooled by the SkinVue you get with Frontier, they don't make it clear on the website but the version of SKin Vue you get is a stripped down version of SkinVue that you can purchase. And their customer services couldn't see a problem with them not making that clear.
Advanced Vue Shaders can be used just not Adjusted unless you get the AdvancedGraph Module
As for learning curve well that is a hard one to advise as we all learn differently, I find it easy, others find it very hard. Try using Pioneer for a bit and see how you get on. It won't cost you anyhting to try only time. :)
Yes, there are lots of limitations compared to the complete and pro versions. If those matter for you will depend on what you do with the program. I could not imagine to use anything but the Infinite version I use now for my work. But I have friends that are happy with the artist versions they have. One nice thing is that you can add functionality to these versions by purchasing additional modules.
If you mean DS shader mixer, then the answer is no. Vue has a completely different render engine and aside from simple texture map based materials nothing will be transferred.
Vue 11.5 Infinite if my primary software, so I am biased. I use it for years now, since the times of Vue 4. If you have specific questions feel free to ask. Pretty much all images in my gallery (see link in signature) are done in Vue.
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TD
Please note the important limitations listed by Daz for Vue 11 Frontier:
Limitations
Render size limited to HD resolution 1920 x 1080 max (limitation is removed with RenderUp module)
Object import limited to static (non-animated) DAZ Collada and Poser files (limitation is removed with 3D Import module)
The size limitation drove me away.... yuck.
It also says something about needing an internet connnection - is that a one time requirement?
No but you can contact them and let Eon know you haven't got a permanent internet connection and make a special arrangement. It needs the internet connection when it opens to varify that the software is legit. But they do provide a solution...I believe..
I have looked at Vue again because of this sale, and concluded that if you are going to get serious with Vue, you will end up with the $599 complete version sooner or later.
Yeah I got Frontier and now on with Esprit. Studio level next and then Complete. You do get some good specials on Modules at some good prices. I promised myself if I get to Complete level I am ging to subscribe and pay for upgardes monthly (i think it is monthly) and reduce to cost of upgrades by Half approx.
Thanks for the information! I was planning on getting it but until I read that the skinvue elite is a stripped down version, limitation of size, and no technical support for this product. I'll go do more research of this product to make my decision.
Arrrgggh, jealous!!! ;) Mind you, I have Octane ... ;)
LOL yeah we are even. :- P
Does Frontier also support only locked versions of Vue products?
That I don't know sorry. But it would seem all my content works and I am on 10 Espirt and I started on version 7 Frontier.
I just upgraded from Pro Studio 6 to Pro Studio 11. Im of the mind, you have to at least go to Esprit, but pro studio is better. I also bought Zephyr separately (u can buy the modules all separately, but I think u may have to have pro studio for that, or Esprit at least)
You can use your models in Vue, but there is only currently a poser to vue bridge, so if ur using DS, u will have to export objs with materials. Shaders wont transfer to vue.
Learning curve.... I think its actually pretty easy, compared to say Bryce (which has a lot of hidden menus, and options in weird places) But I read the manual Vue used to come with (a thick book) and thats how I learned so fast. On my own... hm.... not sure it would have gone as quickly. Some things u will intuitively know, however. The basics are pretty easy to get, at the very least.
I liked using Vue but stopped upgrading the full version (Infinite) years ago due to lack of money and the rotten attitude of some of their forum posters. Though I'm seriously tempted by this version selling here! If you are into landscape creation, there's always Carrara and the 8.5 beta allows better usage of getting stuff out of DAZ Studio or using the content directly. 8.5 is being made Genesis compatible and pretty much works. Howie Farkes' Carrara scenes are great as well and rivals Vue in quality. He even comes close to Terragen which is coming out this month with version 3... they have a free version you can try. http://terragen3.com/?ref=l1Q80
Dartanbeck also just released a big, very affordable, woodlands kit for Carrara that will keep many happy. Dartanbeck lives in the Carrara forum it seems, so there's a plus as well.
I found myself frustrated by vie when I bought a limited version a while back. I found the support was not as good as I liked and I dislike software with limitations.
Yes, it is limited. However the nice thing about Vue is that is is very modulair. So you can buy the modules you like/need to lift restrictions.
If you are in doubt you can always check the pioneer/free version before buying , Started several version ago with pioneer and build it over time to the complete version. Now on Vue 11 complete.
Personaly i really like Vue in combination with DAZ Studio.
I really wanted to like vue. But my experience was full of fail. When I bought it it came on a cd, but using the cd, made me have to have an internet connection. Fine then, but the hyperlinks to download my content weren't functional. I think the url's had changed since the cd was made.
I went to the forums to request help and it was a few days before I got any.
Then the tutorial included with my cd, had items not covered in the limited edition that I bought... So no way to do the tutorial. Why not make a tutorial suitable for the content people are buying?
I was able to make some nice skies, but, I found I needed more help than what was provided. Perhaps this version is different, but I found it a hassle...
...I just saw that and it's on the wishlist.
Bryce may be a bit daunting at first, but once you get the hang of the UI it's still one of the best for creating environments from basically nothing. It also has a direct bridge with Daz Studio so you can import figures in (preposed). I think it would really benefit from being updated to include 64 bit support which would get it out from under the 2GB ceiling imposed by windows for 32 bit applications.
I do have the PLE version of Infinite (yet to be installed as I finally changed my ISP and have a stable connection to the Net) just to get more of a handle on it. Yeah it's fairly expensive in comparison to even Vue Studio (something like twice the cost) but it is a true professional level application.
I have 2 older versions of Frontier that I got with a magazine and have keep up with the current free Pioneer versiosns. I looked at getting infinite, but was put off by the price and required up grade prices. I've got the Demo of infinite too.
I also found Frontier to be a bit limited unless you went and bought modules for it and didn't like the tutorials I found for Vue.
Usually a special on the previous Complete version comes right before a new version of Vue is released. So you may want to wait for that. The next version ought to be in November. Usually you can buy the older version of Complete and get an upgrade to the newest for a little over $100 if you belong to their discount club.
The modules go on sale often and you can get them discounted by belonging to their discount maintenance club.
The discount club doesn't give you any discounts if you upgrade to Infinite.
I honesty was put off by the pricing of Vue and the tech support for it. Plus they will send you email for free content but often when you go to get the free content you get told the offer has expired, and then your present with offers to buy other content.
Yeah, as this is my new hobby and not majoring in graphic designs (entry finance graduate), I probably don't need something really fancy from infinite edition. I'm just looking at something that helps me build a world that I envision since I was a kid.
I'm going to have two interviews this week so I hope I get hired in one of them then use the juicy money to purchase these goodies haha!
...If you intend to create scenes, that also include characters, then I would recommend Carrara 8.5 for like Kevin mentioned, you can use most of your Daz content with it (save for stuff such as light sets and shader packs that are exclusive to the Studio application).
You can also morph and actively pose figures in Carrara which is, at the very least difficult (to impossible with respect to morphing), to perform in Vue and as I understand is very memory intensive.
Since there's a deal "Improve your environment" buy one of the new items and 40% off of one of the listed items. Carrara is 48% off right now, does that mean it's 88% off? Or take the discounted price and take addition 40% off?
The 40% is off the discounted price. So it works out at $171 non pc which is a 69% discount.
...not sure how the sale works however, Carrara 8.5 is priced at 171$ if you are a PC member. (69% discount) 285$ for a non PC member.
The extra 40% would be 40% off the sale price, not cumulative so it would be 40% of 285$ which incidentally would make it the same price as PC members get 171$. So 11$ and change to save another 103$ off the price would be a good deal.
It might almost be worth it to sign up for a one month PC membership (29.95$ for the first month 7.95 afterwards) which would let you apply the PC discount to the price as well
I just put both into my cart (am a PC member) and the final total comes 113$ and change. Using my 6$ PC monthly coupon would bring it to 107$. So adding in the extra cost of the PC membership (not sure how long that takes to process) you can get Carrara on the very cheap and the lovely Woodlands Environ Kit for a around 137$ (using the 6$ PC monthly coupon) as opposed to 182$ without. Effectively you will have more than doubled your investment in the PC with this one purchase as when all is said & done you still save an additional 45$ off the regular sale price for the two items after taking into account the PC membership.
Plus for the next month, you will get a extra discounts on all Daz Originals as well (which stacks with any sale discount) as well as 1.99/2.99 pricing on a bunch of products, and weekly/monthly freebies.
When it comes to getting the best deal I'll try anything as I am on a tight budget.
Wow didn't know how much is saved for being a member. I'll probably pick up the membership once I know I get this job.
Greetings,
Yeah, it's weird; in the old store they empasized how much an item would be if you were a PC member when showing to non-PC members, which made it clear that I would be making a mistake to buy ANYTHING before buying at least a monthly membership, so that's the order I did it in. In the new store, they really don't emphasize the value of PC membership enough to non-members browsing,
Honestly, as much as long-time members gripe about the PC, and how 'it used to be better', it's still the absolute best 'club' in the biz if you regularly need or want 3D content. Even more so if you are new to the site, and so the huge backlog of thousands of $1.99 and $2.99 PC items are just an astounding treasure-trove.
The flip side is that it can rapidly eat away at every spare penny, because there's so much awesome to get... :)
[edit: On topic, I have Vue 8 and 9 (and maybe 7?), but it never gelled for me. I also have paid for Poser 7 and 8, and none of them really worked for me until DAZ Studio 4. I found Vue confusing and vastly more system intensive than DS, or even Bryce. I never got a decent image out of Vue, and I paid for it...maybe a few times in fact, and even bought some of their $1 version-locked content. I also picked up Carrara and was able to get a decent image out of it pretty quickly on a buff workstation at work, but its system needs dwarf anything I have at home, or will for the immediate future.]
-- Morgan
Hi All,
I bought Vue 11 Frontier from DAZ3D two days ago but have not got any serial number for the application. Does anyone knows more about this? The DAZ3D Help Center does not seems to be alive.
BRgds.
So you haven't got a serial number in your account page under the heading My Serial Numbers?
No, I got serials for the other applications like Carrara and Hexagon in that place but not for Vue.
Well time for a support ticket I am afraid, We can't help you from here. Fill out a ticket directed to the Sales Dept and they should get it fixed for you.
Out of interest how many pages of serial numbers did you have? Just checking as some miss that there are more than one page. :)