OT: Grammar got run over by a reindeer.
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I'm afraid that grammar may be lost as a 20th century ideal. In the future, the English language will be made up of about fifty words:
Including upppppp, dogggg, and dude.
Why use corekt gramer when akronimmz r easyr?
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As a sign of how bad it's really getting - I actually HEARD somebody SAY "L.O.L." out loud rather than laugh at something.
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I've recently been fascinated by the US reality cop shows. I sit in amazement and watch the bad guys all use the same lame excuses for doing what they got caught doing, and especially in the show "Bait Car". In "Bait Car" the police have set up a camera and microphone studded desirable car with doors open and keys in the ignition then sit back watching the remote monitors to catch the thieves taking it.
In this show you get to hear the conversations among the bad guys while they're planning and executing the theft. It's amazing to actually be privy to their private communication skills.
It must be very liberating to be able to get by with a 50 word vocabulary! Oy! 8-o
Here are the rules:
1) You just end each phrase (complete sentences are beyond their ken) with the same word.
2) You repeat every phrase at least three times. Louder each time, to get your point across even if it is an unintelligible utterance.
3) You always interrupt someone speaking so that they don't have to try to complete a sentence.
4) Every phrase must contain a swear word or racial epithet (which is easy because they comprise a significant percentage of their vocabulary).
5) Beginning and ending each phrase with the same swear word awards extra points. Phrases longer than three words and containing more than three swear words seem to be a goal.
6) Extreme mumbling of each word and racing through each phrase as if your pants were on fire fuels the requirement for rule #2.
The older I get the more I realize that the world produces some very stupid people.
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/
Seriously, what crazy dictionary decides to change the meaning of a word to it's antonym? It's like being back in the 90's where everyone was going around saying things were 'bad' when they meant 'awesome', yet I don't recall them changing the dictionary definition for the word 'bad'.
I literally shook my head at the screen when I read that. Non figuratively...
Seriously, what crazy dictionary decides to change the meaning of a word to it's antonym? It's like being back in the 90's where everyone was going around saying things were 'bad' when they meant 'awesome', yet I don't recall them changing the dictionary definition for the word 'bad'.
I literally shook my head at the screen when I read that. Non figuratively...
I just checked my printed copy of the 2006 edition of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary... It's in there, too, but marked "not acceptable in standard English."
Good dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive.
This one is good - http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
I rather liked that 'Alot' post. Problem is now I'll never be able to see that word without bursting into fits of giggles. The examples it gave were hilarious. Still, considering the number of posts I see on the internet which break every rule of spelling and grammar I suspect that in a hundred years from now, language as we know it will be entire replaced by new generation slang and shorthand.
Language is a living thing, it is constantly changing. There was no first iconic dictionary or book of grammar. Words and their meanings came about through "common use". This is in part how we ended up with different languages to begin with. As people moved out from their place of origin the language they spoke became altered over time until you end up with people speaking vastly different languages. The same goes for grammar. If you are an English speaking person, learning German vocabulary is quite easy. You find that many German words are the same or quite similar to many English words. The hardest part of learning to speak German is the grammatical structure. I often thought that the German sentence structure was rather like saying you need nouns, and verbs. So the Germans said ok we have a pile of nouns over here and a piles of verbs over there, ok we have a sentence. This is just a small example of how living languages work.
The process never stops, change is constant, many things we think are "grammatically correct", people from 200 years ago would scoff at us for being blithering idiots. Words we think of as proper, were in fact the slang terms of the past.
While I understand these things. I still think it is important to try to maintain what we think of as correct grammar and English.
Language is also an identity barrier, a distinguishing skill that separates the classes. I'm not talking about different national languages, or even dialects, I'm talking about language sub-species. There are specialized sub-languages that identify various professional disciplines. Such as technical v. layman, lawyer v. plumber, medical v. engineering, or military v. civilian. Yet all of these differences vary primarily only in non-intersecting sets of vocabulary but are built on a skeleton of currently accepted structures and adherence to accuracy of the parent language.
However, when a subgroup of speakers fail to learn how to deal with even the base skeleton of accepted structures and level of accuracy of the parent language they then brand themselves as definite outsiders. Usually not an advantageous position. A "scarlet letter" shining forth each time they open their mouth. A permanent impediment to advancement into the mainstream of society.
Seriously, what crazy dictionary decides to change the meaning of a word to it's antonym? It's like being back in the 90's where everyone was going around saying things were 'bad' when they meant 'awesome', yet I don't recall them changing the dictionary definition for the word 'bad'.
I literally shook my head at the screen when I read that. Non figuratively...
Look, we're all familiar with metaphor and hyperbole. Using a word differently from its accepted definition doesn't always make it wrong. In this case, there are so many people who have decided to use "literally" in a hyperbolic manner that that hyperbole has become linked to the word, and dictionaries are pointing it out - as they should. They're not grammar or style manuals.
[I nearly facepalmed the front of my skull away the first time I saw it, though.]
EDIT: You know, the editorial comment in the dictionary says it best. "Since some people take sense 2 to be the opposition of sense 1, it has been frequently criticized as a misuse. Instead, the use is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis..."
The "misuse" derives its entire power from the original definition. If the day should come when it doesn't, well, language changes.
If grammar got run over, what's grampar gonna do? :)
Finally get some peace and quiet after all these years?
Or, put in it's Grammatically Correct forum: "West and wewaxation at wast!"
Hmm... random post deletion. Apparently apostrophe's are too evil to share publicly.
terrible thing's those apostrophes, they keep popping up where they are not wanted, or needed. :roll:
Finally get some peace and quiet after all these years?
Or, put in it's Grammatically Correct forum: "West and wewaxation at wast!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbqv3MwwVd8 ;)
not grammatical per se, but the use of "prolly" as a replacement for "probably", annoys me for some strange reason. Yes, okay, I admit it, I'm officially old now, or at least I will be, in a few weeks.
Oh, is there a point at which one becomes officially old?
Oh, is there a point at which one becomes officially old?
Yes ;)
So how will I know when I get to that point? Curious mind wants to know.
When you hear the language being altered and your blood begins to boil.
Wen ewe here ... ;)
Sue Santa! 8-s
Wen ewe here ... ;)Don't you start or it will be ten whacks on the (insert body part of your choice here) with a wet bootlace for you
Oh, is there a point at which one becomes officially old?
Yes!
When you tune to the "oldies" radio station to listen to your favorite music. Or...
When you start finding yourself saying things like "I remember when...", or "kids these days don't understand..." Or...
When you start comparing prices to when you were a kid. (i.e. 5 cent candybars, 20 cent gasoline, $2000 new automobiles, $8000 houses, etc.) Or...
When you start taking advantage of the senior discount at movies. Or...
When you realize that your teenage heartthrob musicians now look older than your dead grandparents. Or...
(Personally, I'm the same age as Prince Charles. Gad he looks old!)
When taking an ocean cruise starts looking like an interesting thing to do. Or...
When you rationalize that a bald fat man in full leather would look ridiculous. Or...
When staying up past 11:00 is unthinkable. Or...
When you rent a mobile cart at Disney World.
And... When you get your Medicare enrollment package.
Yes!
When you tune to the "oldies" radio station to listen to your favorite music. Or...
When you start finding yourself saying things like "I remember when...", or "kids these days don't understand..." Or...
When you start comparing prices to when you were a kid. (i.e. 5 cent candybars, 20 cent gasoline, $2000 new automobiles, $8000 houses, etc.) Or...
When you start taking advantage of the senior discount at movies. Or...
When you realize that your teenage heartthrob musicians now look older than your dead grandparents. Or...
(Personally, I'm the same age as Prince Charles. Gad he looks old!)
When taking an ocean cruise starts looking like an interesting thing to do. Or...
When you rationalize that a bald fat man in full leather would look ridiculous. Or...
When staying up past 11:00 is unthinkable. Or...
When you rent a mobile cart at Disney World... And...
When you get your Medicare enrollment package.
OK personally my belief is that growing older maybe mandatory but growing up is optional. I decided not to bother with growing up too much. :coolsmile: oh and in the UK we could get blackjacks 5 for a penny http://www.oldschoolsweets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/black-jacks1-267x300.jpg
got to love regional dialects
I like to tell people that in Northern Michigan they may see "Tree Deer", and they often look at me incredulously, not believing that such a creature exists. And thats when I tell them the story my cousin told me
"Ya I was out der drivin and I looks off da side of da road der and I sees deeze tree deer. Dey was jus a standin der on da side off da road. Jus deeze tree deer standin der by deeze tree trees. out der on da side of root turdy tree."
Your gonna make me break out mah redneck dictionary arntcha.....
Nuh-uh. Da raght word be "yor".
But seriously folks, dialects (up to a point) don't affect grammar. It's still "English" after all.
Speech impediments like being born in Boston, Brooklyn, Georgia or the UP of Michigan are almost excusable as long as you have a translator along with you when you visit those areas or are given three seconds to recalculate what you just heard to try to make sense of it.