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  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,089
    edited December 1969

    jimzombie said:
    Who, me? ermm... could be LOL. No actually, just base textures with some SSS tweaks. Base M6 shape too. Just needed a quickie for the review.

    LOL oh.....

  • RiggswolfeRiggswolfe Posts: 905
    edited December 1969

    jimzombie said:
    So I went a little crazy and spent way too long analysing our new guy and playing around with all the new toys, but I finally compiled a weighty review of Michael 6. I also touch on and G2F and Genesis 2 as a whole and compare to Gen 4 and Genesis (1) to round things out.

    If you've been sitting on the fence then this might help you. If you've already bought in there may still be some useful information, and perhaps a little entertainment value.

    I'm going to go read it even though I already own it. Also, your character there looks a lot like Sam Witwer to my eye. (He's in the American version of Being Human.)

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 5,020
    edited December 1969

    LOL yeah, m6 has the sam look about him, I thought the same

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    Khory - 22 November 2013 12:02 AM

    It seems weird to me that he has individual breast controls. Why would you need that on a figure that’s meant to be exclusively male?

    Men’s pecs move along with the movement of the arms just like women’s breasts do. In other words the pecs do not remain static as the figures arms are posed. It is a fairly minor shift but it is there.

    Sure, I understand that. But does the amount of movement call for a separate setting dial to move that lower portion of the pec separately?

    I think so Tim. When you lift your arm over your head the whole muscle moves slightly, the same is true if you move you arm front to back. Also, not every one is going to work with very fit, thin men. Should they do an obese character then gravity swing is going to be just as likely as on some women. It also gives a bit of give to the area for poses where the arms come in. Prayer hands or reaching across the body for example.

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,332
    edited December 1969

    Khory said:
    Khory - 22 November 2013 12:02 AM

    It seems weird to me that he has individual breast controls. Why would you need that on a figure that’s meant to be exclusively male?

    Men’s pecs move along with the movement of the arms just like women’s breasts do. In other words the pecs do not remain static as the figures arms are posed. It is a fairly minor shift but it is there.

    Sure, I understand that. But does the amount of movement call for a separate setting dial to move that lower portion of the pec separately?

    I think so Tim. When you lift your arm over your head the whole muscle moves slightly, the same is true if you move you arm front to back. Also, not every one is going to work with very fit, thin men. Should they do an obese character then gravity swing is going to be just as likely as on some women. It also gives a bit of give to the area for poses where the arms come in. Prayer hands or reaching across the body for example.

    I can see that, though I think a morph is probably a better solution.

    I'm surprised buttocks don't have their own parameter dial for movement.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    That'd be a bum deal,

    I'm sure someone will come up with a package for that. I still have to wait till Wed before I can afford him, but, I still like what I'm seeing.

    CHEERS!

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,639
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    Ahh ok..makes sense. I can make a G2M base with G1 base head morph, but have no idea if that can be distributed.

    If you made it I would most definitely buy it. I prefer that head hands down. =)

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,639
    edited December 1969

    Spyro said:
    SereneNight said:
    The problem with the temple for me is it creates a similar look in the characters. It also makes the brows ride a bit differently on his face.

    Is one of those distinguishing features that identifies his character as him, is problematic when you trying to make your own unique characters that don't carry his characteristics. The body is quite generic and nice to work with for shaping into your own, first thing I do with body tho is work on the chest and shoulder width, he has a athlete swimmer look about him lol, the face is a challenge as its so characterized.

    Agreed. And the temple really defines the face in more ways than I thought. I do try to dial it out and add some m4 but there is no way using the morph pack to eliminate it.

  • Jim_1831252Jim_1831252 Posts: 728
    edited December 1969

    Thanks Riggswolfe. Hope you enjoyed the review. I just used the base M6 for that render.

    Riggswolfe said:
    jimzombie said:
    So I went a little crazy and spent way too long analysing our new guy and playing around with all the new toys, but I finally compiled a weighty review of Michael 6. I also touch on and G2F and Genesis 2 as a whole and compare to Gen 4 and Genesis (1) to round things out.

    If you've been sitting on the fence then this might help you. If you've already bought in there may still be some useful information, and perhaps a little entertainment value.

    I'm going to go read it even though I already own it. Also, your character there looks a lot like Sam Witwer to my eye. (He's in the American version of Being Human.)

  • Jim_1831252Jim_1831252 Posts: 728
    edited December 1969

    SereneNight said:
    Spyro said:
    SereneNight said:
    The problem with the temple for me is it creates a similar look in the characters. It also makes the brows ride a bit differently on his face.

    Is one of those distinguishing features that identifies his character as him, is problematic when you trying to make your own unique characters that don't carry his characteristics. The body is quite generic and nice to work with for shaping into your own, first thing I do with body tho is work on the chest and shoulder width, he has a athlete swimmer look about him lol, the face is a challenge as its so characterized.

    Agreed. And the temple really defines the face in more ways than I thought. I do try to dial it out and add some m4 but there is no way using the morph pack to eliminate it.

    I haven't played with this aspect much yet, but this might be easy to fix with d-formers. I might give it a go and see what I get.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited December 1969

    One thing I noticed when playing around with M6 last night is that when the arms are put up, as in a flight or dive position, the weight mapping is still over compensating and over bulging the deltoids. IF you put your own arm all the way up watch how the deltoid looks and see the space where the traps are. I'm not a skinny guy, not a bodybuilder any more either but I'm muscular and well, this whole area looks atrocious to me. I was under the assumption that the weight mapping was greatly improved. I'm not seeing ANY improvement in this area compared to Genesis 01. If the weight maps were better in this area one would NOT need corrective morphs to fix these areas when the arms are put all the way up......

  • RiggswolfeRiggswolfe Posts: 905
    edited December 1969

    jimzombie said:
    Thanks Riggswolfe. Hope you enjoyed the review. I just used the base M6 for that render.

    Riggswolfe said:
    jimzombie said:
    So I went a little crazy and spent way too long analysing our new guy and playing around with all the new toys, but I finally compiled a weighty review of Michael 6. I also touch on and G2F and Genesis 2 as a whole and compare to Gen 4 and Genesis (1) to round things out.

    If you've been sitting on the fence then this might help you. If you've already bought in there may still be some useful information, and perhaps a little entertainment value.

    I'm going to go read it even though I already own it. Also, your character there looks a lot like Sam Witwer to my eye. (He's in the American version of Being Human.)


    I did indeed enjoy it including the coverage of the m4 to m6 stuff, autofit and an overview of the differences between g2 and g1

  • araneldonaraneldon Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    M6 Xpressions "is a set of 20 face expressions (poses) using the Michael 6 original morphs"

    I'm guessing this is an error; they are presets using the G2M head morphs. Yes?

  • crafty66067crafty66067 Posts: 44
    edited December 1969

    could someone help me , I feel really stupid, I bought M6 starter pack and installed it and when I open Daz and go to Genesis 2 male there is no genesis male figure there to start with . Did I miss something do i have to buy that separate, I sure could not find it any where.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited November 2013

    Did you download the Genesis 2 Starter Essentials. Genesis 2F and Genesis 2M are in the updated Genesis 2 Starter Essentials and are free

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  • crafty66067crafty66067 Posts: 44
    edited December 1969

    Yes I did they were in the update part of Install Manager, I thought that is where they would be too.

  • ibr_remote aka infinity10ibr_remote aka infinity10 Posts: 469
    edited December 1969

    I've got all the necessary items downloaded and installed for Michael 6 Pro bundle using DIM, but when I load Brandon DUF, it asks for Evolution morphs under the Genesis 2 Male folder structure. I don't have this, according to DS4.6 Pro. How do I obtain this required item, please ?

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,332
    edited December 1969

    ibr_remote said:
    I've got all the necessary items downloaded and installed for Michael 6 Pro bundle using DIM, but when I load Brandon DUF, it asks for Evolution morphs under the Genesis 2 Male folder structure. I don't have this, according to DS4.6 Pro. How do I obtain this required item, please ?

    you have to buy the Evolution morphs, they weren't included in the pro bundle.

  • ibr_remote aka infinity10ibr_remote aka infinity10 Posts: 469
    edited December 1969

    But the Brandon product does not state the Evolution moprhs set as a pre requisite. I have the gen 1 evolution morphs, but those aren't relevant. Something is wrong here.

  • crafty66067crafty66067 Posts: 44
    edited December 1969

    that is what I'm getting asked for too and I bought the starter pak but it said nothing about having them, I also have no genesis male figure to start with and I updated the Genesis 2 starter Essentials pak? I don't know what to do to get it!

  • GreybroGreybro Posts: 2,502
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    Did you download the Genesis 2 Starter Essentials. Genesis 2F and Genesis 2M are in the updated Genesis 2 Starter Essentials and are free

    When I do a search for "Genesis 2 Starter Essentials" on the store, there are no result. Can you advise how to find this?

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited December 1969

    Greybro said:
    chohole said:
    Did you download the Genesis 2 Starter Essentials. Genesis 2F and Genesis 2M are in the updated Genesis 2 Starter Essentials and are free

    When I do a search for "Genesis 2 Starter Essentials" on the store, there are no result. Can you advise how to find this?

    The Genesis Starter Essentials are not in the store. They are a free download via your Product Library or DIM.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Here, in your product Library, or as Wolffie says also can be downloaded using the DIM

    gen_starter_2_copy.jpg
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  • GreybroGreybro Posts: 2,502
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    Here, in your product Library, or as Wolffie says also can be downloaded using the DIM

    Thanks!

  • crafty66067crafty66067 Posts: 44
    edited December 1969

    I found mine in my product library and download the two for Genesis 2 male and installed them and now he is there, thank you so much!

  • araneldonaraneldon Posts: 712
    edited November 2013

    The wording of the new promotion seems a bit off. It says "with purchase of any new release from this page" but it really only works with the items released today. Working as intended? Edit: I guess this is what "starting today" is saying. Nvm.

    Also I assume "Main Man Mix And Match Expressions For Michael 6" is a set of presets using the G2M morphs. It should list them as a requirement. Or are the expression morphs provided in G2M Essentials? Edit: Turns out I was mistaken, the expression morphs are in the free Essentials.

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  • EmmaAndJordiEmmaAndJordi Posts: 952
    edited December 1969

    araneldon said:
    The wording of the new promotion seems a bit off. It says "with purchase of any new release from this page" but it really only works with the items released today. Working as intended? Edit: I guess this is what "starting today" is saying. Nvm.

    Also I assume "Main Man Mix And Match Expressions For Michael 6" is a set of presets using the G2M morphs. It should list them as a requirement. Or are the expression morphs provided in G2M Essentials?

    Hi araneldon,

    "Main Man Mix And Match Expressions For Michael 6" are expressions that use the base morphs of expressions of Genesis 2 Male. Although they were made for Michael 6 you can use them without Michael 6, and apply them to G2M.

    Hope this helps you ;)

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,639
    edited December 1969

    I am curious about the http://www.daz3d.com/new-releases/genesis-2-male-head-shapes

    When I try to use the round face and square face on M6, it only adjusts the jaw portion. Is this the way the product is intended to work? Shouldn't it adjust the entire face, not just the lower half? Or am I doing something wrong here.... =)

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,322
    edited November 2013

    Not sure if anyone else having this trouble... but the 60percent off sale is NOT working for me... I DO have a new G2M item in my cart... Milen Hair... but when I go to the page with the Genesis Male items... it's not showing ANY 60 percent off items.. even when I put them in my cart... I think it has the wrong items to pick from.. shouldn't they be Genesis 2 male items????

    Here's where the link takes me.... http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-male-clothing-and-hair?utm_source=bronto&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Image+-+Save+60%+on+Genesis+Male+Items+with+purchase+of+a+Michael+6+New+Release&utm_content=Genesis+Hair+&+Clothing+60%+Off&utm;_campaign=(11/24/13)+Genesis+Hair+&+Clothing+60%+Off

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  • araneldonaraneldon Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    Thanks EmmaAndJordi, and sorry about the confusion. For some reason I thought the expressions were not in Essentials.

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