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I like the Morphing Business suit a lot - except for the two clear mistakes. Well, not that there were those mistakes - it's a complex product, so I'm not surprised a couple of mistakes slipped in; rather that there was never an update to fix them. When I pointed them out to Marieah (SY was on holiday at the time) after I bought the set straight after it was released and immediately saw the errors, and then told SY in a forum thread after she was back, I was fully expecting the mistakes would be fixed and an update appear - especially for the mistake that's very obvious and quite easy to fix. But ... no update. Shame.
For the record, the mistakes are:
1 All of the Jacket fully open morphs (that is morphs with BOTH buttons undone) have the buttons on the WRONG side of the jacket. They're on the left - which is the side with the buttonholes on a man's jacket - instead of the right, where the buttons should be. The buttons are correct when the jacket is closed; they are correct in the morphs that just open one button (just look and see that in the one-button open morphs the undone button is on the right, not the left), and they are correct on all the closed and open morphs for the shirt and vest and trousers. This error can be seen easily by just comparing using the morphs to open just one button as opposed to both, or with all the shirt and vest open morphs. Or simply by putting a male suit jacket on and looking down. It is just the jacket fully open morphs that need the button position fixing; that's all.
2 The belt is the wrong way round. Marieah assured me that while the MBS could be used on female shapes, it was specifically designed as a MAN's suit. Most people know that there is a 'male' way round for the buttons and fasteners on shirts, jackets, vests, coats and trousers (buttons on the right, button holes on the left), and a female way round (the opposite), and barring the both-button open morphs on the jacket, the set is correctly male. And while these days many women will wear basically male pattern clothing, fastening the male way round, from time to time, you won't often see men wearing things that are the female way round. Now, there is a matching male and female way to wear a belt. indeed it exactly matches the way with buttons. With buttons, for men, the buttonhole is on the left, the button on the right, and you push the button from the right through the hole on the left. Same with belts, You wear the belt so that, undone, the buckle - the 'hole' - is on the left, like a buttonhole, and the loose tongue is on the right; to do it up, you push the tongue - on the right, like the button - through the buckle on the left, like through the buttonhole. (This is, incidentally , the natural way for right handed people, which is the majority. The reason for the different male/female ways of buttoning and buckling is that, in olden days, a 'gentleman' would button his own shirt etc, so the buttons and buttonhole sides were chosen to suit the right-handed majority; but a lady's maid would button up the lady's blouse, dress etc, standing facing her, so the button and buttonhole sides were chosen to suit the right-handed majority of maids who were 'the other way round' to the lady wearing the clothes, so the button, buttonhole, hook, eye, buckle, tongue etc sides were reversed from the way they were on men's clothes).
I know it is true that many/most women aren't even aware that there is a 'male' way to wear a belt. (Why would they know? They're not generally putting the belt on for the man who is using it.) Indeed, many (especially younger) men don't know. But an awful lot of men who don't KNOW there's a male way still put on their belts the male way, because traditional organisations with uniform codes mandate it, so many men are trained into the habit without even realising it e.g. by service in the military or police (which habit then carries through the rest of their lives). So any 'gentleman' who knows about traditional male dress, and any man from a uniformed service will most certainly wear his belt the male way round. (Search pictures of Daniel Craig as James Bond that show his belt and you will ALWAYS see it worn the male way, not the female reverse; and that's not just random - Bond is supposed to be both a Gentleman and ex-uniformed detail, and wearing the belt the wrong way would be a FAR more serious error than ordering red wine with fish) But the MBS belt is buckle on the right, tongue on the left when undone, which is girly belt, NOT man belt.
(What makes it an even more ironic error is that where uniformed services have had to standardize on a 'unisex' rule in the dresscode, they standardize on the male way for all - even the women. E.g. the US Army Uniform Dress Code, in formal uniforms like mess dress, where there are different uniforms for male and female, it is mandated that men will wear the belt buckle on the left (when undone) and women will wear their belts with the buckles on the right (when undone); but in the unisex ACU and fatigues, ALL - men AND women - are to wear belts with the buckle on the left, I.e. the male way. So in fact while there are liable to be quite a few women who wear their belts the male way round (mostly without knowing) from having adopted formerly particularly male clothing, there is no equivalent unseen pressure on males to unknowingly adopt the female pattern.)
And as I'm certainly not rendering a number of my male characters (and one female) - who either would know or would be in the habit from present or former military service which way to wear a belt properly - wearing belts girly style.
It's funny really - the fact that the MBS is such a detailed and comprehensive product makes this error far more galling to me than it would if it was just some oversimplified basic product.
But I've pointed this all out to the product's creators before.
Fixing the jacket open morph button positions is easy - not much time to do, Probably take longer redoing the promo images that have the jacket open flaunting the currently incorrect side the buttons morph to. It really, REALLY ought to be done.
The belt .. easy enough to just flip; correcting all the morphs on the flipped belt, not so much I suppose. But it really aggrieves me that this set comes with a girly belt I therefore can't use. REALLY aggrieves me. The fact that it does, and more especially the fact that this hasn't been fixed in all the time since the product release has caused both vendors to drop down quite some way in my personal league table of PAs I like and support, I'm afraid.
And, as I have done before, I will point out that both of those assertions are incorrect.
Well, I did look up the button thing and I am afraid he is right about that one, SY.
Found here...
http://www.primermagazine.com/2010/field-manual/why-do-men’s-and-women’s-shirts-button-on-different-sides
This was also verified by my wife who looked at me oddly like she was sure everyone knew but then again she is a seamstress.
I would say the OP's question has been amply answered with respect to the Morphing Business Suit. There's no need to rehash this discussion.
Funny story: as a child I had a minor role in a church play as a mama bear -- I was supposed to wear a brown long-sleeved blouse and brown pants, and wardrobe would provide a frilly floral-print pink apron and matching hat with bear ears. But I didn't have a brown blouse, so I borrowed one of my brother's shirts. I had blouses styled similarly to men's shirts so it didn't occur to me that there was any real difference.
After the play several mothers and grandmothers complained to the director that a boy shouldn't've been playing the mama bear. Why did they think I was a boy? The buttons visible above the frilly floral-print pink apron and below the frilly floral-print pink cap buttoned from the right. My hair was long then, too.
(Also found a Snopes reference.)
will be ok for me downunder in driving scenes
I flip videos etc so cars have steering wheel on the RIGHT side
Interesting with the buttons & belts. I had NO idea there was a gender specific standard when it comes to these things. Thanks David for the class!
And actually it is based on an antiquated concept that "women are dressed by others" I would imagine now buttons would mostly appear on the right side (if you are in the shirt, left if facing the shirt).
In the military and for Victorian garb, I can see this mattering. The MBS is such a great products, I am willing to overlook this minor issue because of the tremendous talent and time that went into it, but if it was ever updated, I wouldn't argued either. :)
Nuff said on the subject.
The Supersuit, btw, is great for fitting items that have poke thru here and there. Just make it invisible on a figure, fit items TO it and then change the supersuit with the inbuilt morphs to change appropriately. DAZ_Rand who made the suit has a whole tutorial on it somewhere. I shall try to find it and link it here for those who may not have seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEGdlvNjr-U8GuQJJPObjeg/videos
maybe,, it is R_kane serch now,, . I usually keep these video tutoriall links.:)
You're welcome. If you want to simulate the thread that holds the button to the fabric, you can create a sphere primitive, scale it until it looks like an elongated cucumber and parent it into place, so that it halfway sinks into the button.
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And apparently women should still have a maid or something lugging their stuff along - it's unbelievably hard to find decent women's clothing that has real pockets.
Found here...
http://www.primermagazine.com/2010/field-manual/why-do-men’s-and-women’s-shirts-button-on-different-sides
This was also verified by my wife who looked at me oddly like she was sure everyone knew but then again she is a seamstress.
Perhaps SickleYield is just stating that the assertion that it would be "easy" to fix is incorrect. Maybe it would be very hard. I've always found her to be very receptive to fixing problems that customers find after product release. That said, I've instigated a new rule for myself: If a product is unusable for me because of some error, and there is not an update before the 30 day return period expires, I'm going to return it. If it is updated and fixed later, I can always buy it again. It not, I haven't wasted money on something I can't use, and I haven't rewarded vendors for producing poor products.
The Supersuit has been updated with updated UV maps. The Basic Supersuit (which came with the main product) had messed up UV's. But I made a thread about it begging DAZ to fix it and they listened. So, be sure to re-download the Supersuit to get the fixed UV's for the Basic Supersuit.
Also, over on the Rendrosity Forums, Rand (formerly DAZ Rand) said he's been working on additions for the Supersuit. He's been working on it for quite a while. I haven't heard any recent updates, though or when he plans on releasing it in the DAZ store. I hope soon. It must be pretty big because he's been working on it for at least a year.
I've been waiting with bated breath for Rand's new Supersuit products. So far, he hasn't made any new posts on the Rendo forums. I know that the G2F/V6 release slowed things down; maybe the G2M/M6 release pushed its release back further. I really love the supersuit, though. As someone else pointed out, it's worth the price just for the shaders. They get a lot of use from me, whether or not I'm actually using the suit itself.
Agreed. An add-on mask would be great, especially if it has NO eye holes or ear holes.
More TRANS mapped options for various different mask looks and costume looks would also be great.
And nothing wrong with more textures too.
One add-on I'd love to see is a skirt with a ton of material zones and morphs. That's something that the supersuit can't do by itself. I know there's lots of skirts that could be used with the supersuit, but I'd like one that has as much versatility as the supersuit itself.
Heh. I wear men's shirts all the time. I honestly don't think the button thing is that much an issue for modern women.
Kind of off-topic, but are you still planning to release your Amazona morphs? Well, maybe not too off-topic, they would be great for some superheroines.
Women wear men's clothing sometimes and that seems to be accepted. I don't know any man that wears women's clothing, though, unless he is intentionally dressing in drag. So I see where having "women's" buttons and belt on a man's suit would bother many people.
Kind of off-topic, but are you still planning to release your Amazona morphs? Well, maybe not too off-topic, they would be great for some superheroines.
Morphs are done and I could release them just as a shape but I was wanting to learn more about Materials and mapping. Then my mom had problems (open heart surgery, but she is fine now, thanks! :) ) and it put me behind and G2F came out and now there are HD morphs which i don't understand yet and .....man, I'm behind, *chuckle*
Morphs are done and I could release them just as a shape but I was wanting to learn more about Materials and mapping. Then my mom had problems (open heart surgery, but she is fine now, thanks! :) ) and it put me behind and G2F came out and now there are HD morphs which i don't understand yet and .....man, I'm behind, *chuckle*
Glad to hear she's doing well. My wife had major surgery last month, and she's recovering well, but it's still a long road. I have a lot of things about 3d I want to learn (like creating my own clothing), but lately finding enough time to sit at the computer for more than a few minutes has been a challenge. I don't know that I'll ever be able to create my own morphs, but it's something I'd like to try one of these days.
Women wear men's clothing sometimes and that seems to be accepted. I don't know any man that wears women's clothing, though, unless he is intentionally dressing in drag. So I see where having "women's" buttons and belt on a man's suit would bother many people.
My hubby steals my shirts all the time. Of course my shirts are rock band and gamer tees in men's sizes. :P