Getting New Machine. Yay! Installation Frustration to Follow

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  • SileneUKSileneUK Posts: 1,975
    edited February 2020
    SileneUK said:

    STEZZA- MAIN QUESTION  If putting DIM and other runtime structured content on an external is not feasible... should I put the programmes on the E: drive which is a SSD and the content on the H:  which is a SATA?  

    heartyesheartyesheartyes    Silene

    your programs will load faster on the SSD

    I'd put the content on whichever is the largest drive as the content takes the most room with the bloated textures and meshes these days.

    have fun setting up devil  cool

    They are both 2TB so I will put them on the SSD. 

    On your Content drive map which you posted above, where you have a folder for 'Animals' 'Clothing' , 'Transport' EG...are these from other than DAZ shop sources you perhaps directly manually download there as a specified path in DIM (I always check the dropdown when installing as it's easy to accidentally put a Carrara in the other runtimes)?  Or are they downloaded  with DIM and then manually moved by you?  Or are they from other vendors/sources manually downloaded.  Or are they Carrara files.? 

     I have done the DIM and then move. Someone said you lose product  updates doing that.  I have not done any additional runtimes aside from DAZ and Poser.  I have seen before where people have put added runtimes under their Content tab in Carrara.  Do they have to also be available in DS Postgre as well, or is that only if you are using the standard DS/Poster Smart Content in Carrara.  I won't care about SC if I can separate out material I use regularly.  I only liked SC as it has an alpha product protocol.

    Sorry for all the Q's.... I want to get this right... for the umpteenth time! surprise  I think you are doing what I need to do, I just need to double check.

    yes   Silene

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,116

    The folders are all Poser content in structure for Poser models. All Daz duf stuff goes into the Daz library.

    I've had that same structure well before duf was a thing lol

    All Carrara products go into the Carrara instal folder on the other drive where my software is installed.

  • Depending on the quality of your SSD, you really should never have to worry about read/write ops.  That's more or less just a myth perpetuated from back when solid-state technology was still very young and very expensive.  These days, with advanced solid-state technology like 3d Nand, you're far more likely to have a malfunction on a mechanical HDD than you would be to use up the write cycles on your SSD in the next 5 years under normal everyday circumstances. Obviously, if you could limit the read/write cycles on your SSD then it's always smart to do so (just as doing certain precautionary cleanup on a mechanical HDD was once considered wise), but if you have a good WD Black (or Blue), or Samsung, or Sandisk SSD, the chances of you actually wearing out the write cycles in the next 5 years is very slim.  I've never actually heard of anyone actually doing it unless they were stress-testing the drive every day on purpose to see what the fail point is, or unless there was a manufacturer defect of some kind.

    Even 24/7 server farms are slowly making the transition to SSD storage because it's just so much faster and economical in the long run.  Less heat generation, less maintenance, less servicing of a malfunctioning or downed drives.  In fact, I have a cheap thumb drive that I'd been using heavily for the last 8 years now, filling it up constantly, then dumping content from it, etc..  The thing just died recently after 8 years of heavy daily use, and that thing is nowhere near as durable as a modern internal SSD or NVME drive.  If I could afford to do it, I would use NOTHING but SSD for all my storage devices, but seeing as how I need well over 6 TB for some long-term storage, I couldn't afford solid-state for everything just yet.  I wish I could.

     

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,116
    SileneUK said:
    SileneUK said:

    STEZZA- MAIN QUESTION  If putting DIM and other runtime structured content on an external is not feasible... should I put the programmes on the E: drive which is a SSD and the content on the H:  which is a SATA?  

    heartyesheartyesheartyes    Silene

    your programs will load faster on the SSD

    I'd put the content on whichever is the largest drive as the content takes the most room with the bloated textures and meshes these days.

    have fun setting up devil  cool

    They are both 2TB so I will put them on the SSD. 

      I have seen before where people have put added runtimes under their Content tab in Carrara.  Do they have to also be available in DS Postgre as well, or is that only if you are using the standard DS/Poster Smart Content in Carrara.

    yes   Silene

    what I do when reinstalling is :

    install DiM first and set it up to read and write to my drives, then install DS and do a scan drive ( my content drive ) for content.. this takes a while..

    make sure all is working in DS as it should and adjust drives for content within DS

    instal Carrara and the postreg thingee and then the conversion tool.. if everything works right this also takes a while to do.

    Carrara when started will ask to show content which you say yes and all the folders you mapped in DS will be in Content Tab.. then if you have others you want to add you can do that also manually.

    Carrara Smart Content tab will also load up if installed correctly.. I also use D:/ as my scratch disk in Carrara.

    after all this I  then backup my Carrara Preferences files so I never have to do that again when reinstalling.

    have fun wink

  • Depending on the quality of your SSD, you really should never have to worry about read/write ops.  That's more or less just a myth perpetuated from back when solid-state technology was still very young and very expensive.  These days, with advanced solid-state technology like 3d Nand, you're far more likely to have a malfunction on a mechanical HDD than you would be to use up the write cycles on your SSD in the next 5 years under normal everyday circumstances.

    Well yes and no. It depends on how you use it. For example if you put a cache there, such as one used for web browsers or more importantly the windows page file a SSD it does a TON of writing/rewriting. Also SSD's are FAST on reading not as much on writing. Another factor is how full you have the drive. If the drive is quite full, and you are deleting/rewriting a lot, guess what, it has a lot less open sectors to use and write to. So those limited sectors get used a lot more than if the drive was say half full. SSD's have wear leveling but that only works if you leave a good portion of the drive unused. Or delete data and copy it back later which the drive will then move to different sectors. So again it is how you use it. If you have a defragger running on it, that is also going to speed up the wear (usually those are disabled by default on SSD's though). Best pratices (don't have cache files on a SSD or fill them up too far and maybe delete/copy data back once and a great while to keep different sectors being used) are still a good idea in my opinion if you want to get the most life out of your SSD.
  • Well yes and no. It depends on how you use it. For example if you put a cache there, such as one used for web browsers or more importantly the windows page file a SSD it does a TON of writing/rewriting. Also SSD's are FAST on reading not as much on writing. Another factor is how full you have the drive. If the drive is quite full, and you are deleting/rewriting a lot, guess what, it has a lot less open sectors to use and write to. So those limited sectors get used a lot more than if the drive was say half full. SSD's have wear leveling but that only works if you leave a good portion of the drive unused. Or delete data and copy it back later which the drive will then move to different sectors. So again it is how you use it. If you have a defragger running on it, that is also going to speed up the wear (usually those are disabled by default on SSD's though). Best pratices (don't have cache files on a SSD or fill them up too far and maybe delete/copy data back once and a great while to keep different sectors being used) are still a good idea in my opinion if you want to get the most life out of your SSD.

    Sure, everything will depend on how you use it.  Same with regular mechanical HDD's.  You should never, ever defrag a SSD, that's a big no-no. The gap between reading and writing speed on SSD's are not much different from the gap of read and write speed on most mechanical HDD's, comparatively speaking.  For example, you can run CrystalDiskMark on your drive to test both read and write.  If your read speed is, for example, 550 mb/s, then you should see write speeds around the same. My Sandisk does 580.5 mb/s read, and 530 mb/s write.  That's not a huge difference.  By comparison, my HDD does 125 read, and 96 mb/s write, so the differences there are comparable.

     

  • My plan is to save aside 5000$ for my new machine to replace my yr 2007 pc. My current base of configuration (shop list) consists of Motherboard ASUS ROG ZENITH II EXTREME sTRX4 AMD TRX40 SATA 6Gb/s Extended ATX AMD Motherboard. Cpu AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core 3.7 GHz Socket sTRX4 280W 100-100000011WOF Desktop Processor Ram G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Intel Z370 Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C19D-32GTZSW Gpu EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti DirectX 12 11G-P4-2281-KR 11GB 352-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support BLACK EDITION GAMING Video Card, Dual HDB Fans & RGB LED I have the UPS , PSU (850 watt) corsair already. I will be making my own climate control drawer for it. The cost for it is around 4500$ pre tax. Any thoughts , suggestions, advice and or recommendations?
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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    edited February 2020

    I am no expert on Threadripper setups, but the components you list look good.

    Joan, if you get this Threadripper, you will likely be a trailblazer.  Diomede and I got the 3900x, and Vyusur got the 3950x.  But both are standard Ryzen processers.  To my knowledge, no one has reported using a Threadripper yet with Carrara, much less the newest one.

    If this was an older Threadripper, I would say forget it.  But the new ones kind of stagger the imagination.smiley

    They also stagger the pocketbook.  The 3970x processor costs more than my whole machine. smiley  But if you can afford it, I hope you get it.  I love it when render boundaries get expanded.  It will be very interesting to see the speed of your "Champagne bottle test." yes

    (edited to correct the model number of the processor owned by Vyusur)

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  • I am no expert on Threadripper setups, but the components you list look good.

    Joan, if you get this Threadripper, you will likely be a trailblazer.  Diomede and I got the 3900x, and Vyusur got the 3750x.  But both are standard Ryzen processers.  To my knowledge, no one has reported using a Threadripper yet with Carrara, much less the newest one.

    If this was an older Threadripper, I would say forget it.  But the new ones kind of stagger the imagination.smiley

    They also stagger the pocketbook.  The 3970x processor costs more than my whole machine. smiley  But if you can afford it, I hope you get it.  I love it when render boundaries get expanded.  It will be very interesting to see the speed of your "Champagne bottle test." yes

     

    Thanks for the benchmark link!
  • You are welcome, but it was easy to find as it is from the first page in this thread. :)

    Others report their speed in subsequent posts.

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235

    Diomede and I got the 3900x, and Vyusur got the 3750x. 

    To be exact, I have AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core now.

     

     

     

  • Sorry, I simply hit the wrong number. :)

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited March 2020

    almost fainted lol

    36 Core Video Rendering Server

     

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    thinkin bout this one  even tho case is flashier than i like.  has the ssd

     

    XOTIC Lite 5 Essential (RYZEN 9 3900X 12-core 4.6GHZ Turbo, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 500GB NVMe SSD + 2TB HDD, GTX 1660 Ti 6GB, Windows 10) Liquid Cooled VR Ready Gaming Desktop PC

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