Stephanie 6 disappoints
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Stephanie 6 is out for Genesis 2 and usually I'm all over these bundles, but looking through the renders of the various parts included, I have nothing but yawns. Nothing it is grabs me.
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The Clothes, the characters, or the figure itself?
I like the figure. I'm on the fence about the bundles, I don't think there's anything wrong with the stuff in it, I just don't know if I would ever personally use it, since it didn't grab me either. The stuff I do tends to be more and more period specific (albeit different periods), so I have less use for contemporary stuff. Flappers, dinosaurs, pulp novels, and the far future were not heavily represented. :-)
I picked up the base figure and one hairstyle that could be useful in a current project. The rest of the stuff in the bundles just did not seem like stuff I would be using currently or in the near future.
Yeah its luck of the draw really with bundles, sometimes there is much you can use - sometimes nothing.
It boils down to personal tastes I suppose.
...on the contrary for once, I like the clothing offered in the bundles.
Was not very thrilled with her Gen5 "sister" or much of the clothing in the Steph5 bundles. Ended up getting just the base figure but have rarely used her.
Steph6 on the other hand looks much better IMO, especially with the Slender Steph 6 body morphs. Once again, she can truly be called "Steph Petite". She will most likely be the first Gen6 character I get once I can scrape up the funds.
Steph 5 pro bundle is in the fastgrab :)
Yeah, I came to that decision with the Gia Bundles, they just weren't for me, but I got the base. I have waaaay too much stuff that I bought because it was a "bargain" that I have never used. Especially the V4 stuff, but, money spent, lesson learned.
The slender morphs are cool, but I cannot justify the costs of buying S6 just to get them. I feel a bit attracted to Isolabella Dress and that of Aave Nainen that isn't out there yet, but it's mainly due to the posing support (ready poses and their helpers). The haircuts from pro bundle (not the one in the starter) seem okay, but am I the only one to get a feeling that Valea has already made very similar ones? Adding a different fringe doesn't make much difference for me...
Anyway, although I enjoy the default S6 skin on its own, it totally doesn't go with the figure itself. It would fit Olympia at best. It's due to the fact it's so dark it looks like it was designed for African characters alone.
One of our goals when releasing a new figure is to have him or her appeal to as wide a range as possible. We don't want anyone to be disappointed with the figure, or with the content in the Pro Bundles. However, it would be nigh unto impossible to produce a figure that appealed to 100% of our market, let a lone do that consistently.
I can appreciate that there are those who don't love Stephanie 6, personally I love her, but we all have different tastes. There are some DAZ figures that I'm not too hot on that are widely considered community favorites. Hopefully, if Steph 6 isn't your cup of tea, the next character we release will be.
Oh, I tend to like the Stephanies. Loved S3 and S4. S5 grew on me, she was a bit different than the "petite" her predecessors were, but a little tweaking and I got some characters I really liked. S6 looks good to me and I will get her. It's just that I like to think of my taste in outfits as "eclectic", though other people might call it "goofy". :roll:
Stephanie 6 is PURE Fun...
Vic 6 (the shorty on the left in grey) is amazed by her beauty and height
As you can see V6 has Early Spring St 6 clothes on
and Tall Steph 6. has the Striped Shirt and DJ Mix V6 clothes..
You can mix and match it all..
The Gen2 line is finally losing it's "plastic" look and starting to push Vic4 to the background
More than likely it will. I have great hopes that we will see David 6 soon and I am looking forward to seeing what the respective bundles for that release contain.
Yep is kinda disappointing that the pro bundle doesn't include any skimpwear :P
LOL! It is refreshing to see that. Hopefully that trend continues. From what the render thread for S6 shows, there is some lovely stuff about to be released.
Sadly, I have to agree. I usually grab the Pro bundles because even if I only want half the items, it's still cheaper to get the bundle. This time, not a single thing grabbed my attention. There were a few "yeah, I wouldn't mind that" items, but no "must haves".
I won't even bother with the base figure now. I'll just wait until it's offered as a FastGrab or as part of one of those convoluted "buy this get that cheaper" sales or as a freebie for some other deal. I've got enough figures to keep me occupied for a long, long time.
It's still a big disappointment though. Stephanie has always been my favorite female figure, all the way back to the second generation original.
I bought her hours ago.. and I can't say she dissapoined me for one second.
Great Lady.. GRANDIOXA !!!
The standard=size doors... . They are too low for my kind of Stephanie 6..
grin.. that is indeed pretty dissapointing.
I wouldn't say I'm disappointed, I bought her with my eyes fully open... some of the hair looks similar to other existing styles and a couple of the outfits will never see the light of day by me because they don't have any adjustment morphs for them - Generation 6 figures should have latest clothing tech instead of expecting auto-conform to be good enough... that was supposed to be the stop-gap workaround until vendors got to grips with the new-fangled Genesis tech (shame too, it's not the design that's bad, just the finishing).
Despite the above, there were enough items I could see a use for (even if only to kitbash the odd item here and there) that allowed me to justify the purchase to myself.
But the one thing I do really notice with Steph6 is that her face, while perfectly nice when taken in isolation, is bridging a gap between a couple of the other official faces that gives an almost incestuous familiarity between the staple female characters. This is Generation 6, we need a more diverse bone structure to the different official faces. With more diverse faces on the official characters, people would be more inclined to see them as 'must haves' (or at least that's my current personal opinion at the time of writing).
The DAZ artists have come up with a good base face, but the growing familiarity between the main official releases is in danger of turning into a creep-fest. Mind you, all I need to do is a few custom sculpts of my own and I don't have that problem anymore, but it's always kinda cool to get good stuff straight off the shelf.
That said, with the slender stephanie morphs, it'll be a breeze to whip up celeb types like Keira Knightley and Selma Blair without them always looking like they've been given boob jobs. :lol:
Have you considered producing multiple alternate pro bundles?
I think DAZ customers often have specific preferences. Thus, for example, one buyer might leap on a pro bundle that was full of 'cute' contemporary clothing, while another would go for one that featured science-fiction or steampunk or fantasy-themed material. And there's probably a vast, unserved population of customers who'd really like to see ordinary, practical clothing that real people might wear. If we'd had the choice of Stephanie 6 Pro Cute, Stephanie 6 Pro Sci-Fantasy, or Stephanie 6 Pro Oh My Goodness It's Not Skimpwear, you might have seen more Pro sales.
Of course you'd want to arrange things so people could also buy the extras as a bundle without the base figure, so someone might buy Stephanie 6 Pro Sci-Fantasy and then pick up the Stephanie 6 Cute Additions package as well.
Obviously, this increases the amount of work that DAZ and the PA's need to do before a figure can be launched. However, it might reduce the number of users who look at a new release and say 'Meh'. I've certainly bought a number of Starters or even Base figures recently - or even passed on a figure entirely - where, in the past, I might have bought the whole Pro package.
Of course no one has to buy anything they don't want. But sometimes purchasing the Pro bundle is a precondition for something else, such as the current 10% off March Madness bonus offer, or getting genitals for a figure (and yes, I realize that in the real world, we often have to buy impractical clothing and other things we don't need just so that we can have access to someone's naughty bits, but DAZ doesn't have to imitate reality quite so exactly).
Offering more choice would be more work, but might produce more sales/satisfied customers.
Have you considered producing multiple alternate pro bundles?
I think DAZ customers often have specific preferences. Thus, for example, one buyer might leap on a pro bundle that was full of 'cute' contemporary clothing, while another would go for one that featured science-fiction or steampunk or fantasy-themed material. And there's probably a vast, unserved population of customers who'd really like to see ordinary, practical clothing that real people might wear. If we'd had the choice of Stephanie 6 Pro Cute, Stephanie 6 Pro Sci-Fantasy, or Stephanie 6 Pro Oh My Goodness It's Not Skimpwear, you might have seen more Pro sales.
Of course you'd want to arrange things so people could also buy the extras as a bundle without the base figure, so someone might buy Stephanie 6 Pro Sci-Fantasy and then pick up the Stephanie 6 Cute Additions package as well.
Obviously, this increases the amount of work that DAZ and the PA's need to do before a figure can be launched. However, it might reduce the number of users who look at a new release and say 'Meh'. I've certainly bought a number of Starters or even Base figures recently - or even passed on a figure entirely - where, in the past, I might have bought the whole Pro package.
Of course no one has to buy anything they don't want. But sometimes purchasing the Pro bundle is a precondition for something else, such as the current 10% off March Madness bonus offer, or getting genitals for a figure (and yes, I realize that in the real world, we often have to buy impractical clothing and other things we don't need just so that we can have access to someone's naughty bits, but DAZ doesn't have to imitate reality quite so exactly).
Offering more choice would be more work, but might produce more sales/satisfied customers.
I think they tried this with the Hiro 5 bundle and haven't done it since. Probably the sales didn't justify repeating the promotion.
There is only one thing that disappointed me so far, but I think the same goes for V6, and all gen2 characters : All you get (aside from the texture) is one single head and body shape, and that's it ?
I'm just surprised because I'm coming from V4, and for Gen4 all shapes were featuring many full and partial morphs, it seems this is no longer true on gen2.
I have few gripes about Stephanie 6 in general. She looks like a fine enough figure, and her textures look great. My only grumble is that it's yet another unique UV set which is going to be incompatible with the many overlays I've created. I found this to be an issue with Genesis 1 as well, with the Interjection packages no longer working with the figure since they all use different UVs. All to fix the tiniest of stretching, which is promptly undone the minute you mix morphs with another figure.
*sigh*
Still, for what it's worth I'll probably end up picking Steph 6 up eventually. Likely it'll be for the same reason I got Steph 5, which was for the UV map, but at least I'll be ready for any surprise additions which end up using it as a base.
From what I've seen of S6, it's not a copy of S5. From that perspective, it would probably be useful to have them both and consider them as two sets of characters. That said, I like S5 a lot more than V5 for the reason that Steph5 isn't a skinny, petite woman to my eyes. I like her shapes more than the 'supermodel' style of Victoria. I've not been in a buying mood lately, though I've got a pile of stuff on my wishlist. S6 could make it on there some day.
I bought the base figure, and some of the hair separately. I confess the included female characters did not appeal to me. I really like Steph's skin.
My taste preference is towards sci-fi. Although the clothing was okay, I just did not have immeadiate need and the included female characters didn't enthuse me.
Well, I guess it depens how you were using the V4 sisters I think. The figures themselves were not very interesting (I mean useful), but adding them as morphs to a V4 figure was really a step forward, and this was providing many dials to fine-tune your characters; for example with S4, I used a lot her petite proportions and chest morphs (which allowed to make smaller chests much better than the ++ morphs).
That's what I was thinking about when saying Gen2 shapes seem slightly less 'versatile', to me. But perhaps I'm wrong, and didn't figure out how to get the most out from these gen2 shapes (I've just started to use it yesterday).
The S6 textures are really looking great, and I like how tan she looks compared to the other Gen 2s, really a great character imho :)
Have you considered producing multiple alternate pro bundles?
I think DAZ customers often have specific preferences. Thus, for example, one buyer might leap on a pro bundle that was full of 'cute' contemporary clothing, while another would go for one that featured science-fiction or steampunk or fantasy-themed material. And there's probably a vast, unserved population of customers who'd really like to see ordinary, practical clothing that real people might wear. If we'd had the choice of Stephanie 6 Pro Cute, Stephanie 6 Pro Sci-Fantasy, or Stephanie 6 Pro Oh My Goodness It's Not Skimpwear, you might have seen more Pro sales.
Of course you'd want to arrange things so people could also buy the extras as a bundle without the base figure, so someone might buy Stephanie 6 Pro Sci-Fantasy and then pick up the Stephanie 6 Cute Additions package as well.
Obviously, this increases the amount of work that DAZ and the PA's need to do before a figure can be launched. However, it might reduce the number of users who look at a new release and say 'Meh'. I've certainly bought a number of Starters or even Base figures recently - or even passed on a figure entirely - where, in the past, I might have bought the whole Pro package.
Of course no one has to buy anything they don't want. But sometimes purchasing the Pro bundle is a precondition for something else, such as the current 10% off March Madness bonus offer, or getting genitals for a figure (and yes, I realize that in the real world, we often have to buy impractical clothing and other things we don't need just so that we can have access to someone's naughty bits, but DAZ doesn't have to imitate reality quite so exactly).
Offering more choice would be more work, but might produce more sales/satisfied customers.
Excellent idea! I second that :D - making a maths-based template for bundles of several sizes would be even greater, because we could choose our own contents. Usually half the wishlist's capacity isn't covered by typical sales and it just resides there. There could be a lot of income for DAZ if you honoured the scheme of buy-at-least-X products getting X% or -X discount. You had such a sale once, although I don't remember its name. Anyway, I'd be on cloud nine if I could compose my own bundles - or at least share presets for them and vote on my favourites (this could actually be a funny competition by the way).
But....
But....
But..... there is allll shapes and forms in every G2.
My 'thing' against G2 (v6) was the "plastic" look of it.. at first
Now that that is getting less, and textures of clothes and hair become a bit more realistic
there is everything you want in every figure
I would personally like less skirts and dresses, and more jeans in all shapes and sizes
but. i am happy with the things I have.
Image is 4x Step 6 .. just with different shapes that come with her.
I have not changed the head.. (it's Beau Mat ) but could have done so with many head morphs in the package
In order to keep it a bit comparable. All have Estal hair and same cute S6 expression. This is just 4 minutes work.. but if you spend a little bit more .. you can give her every look you want.
Clothes are Casual Demin for G2/V6
So.. there is a lot for all.
But....
But....
But..... there is allll shapes and forms in every G2.
My 'thing' against G2 (v6) was the "plastic" look of it.. at first
Now that that is getting less, and textures of clothes and hair become a bit more realistic
there is everything you want in every figure
I would personally like less skirts and dresses, and more jeans in all shapes and sizes
but. i am happy with the things I have.
Image is 4x Step 6 .. just with different shapes that come with her.
I have not changed the head.. (it's Beau Mat ) but could have done so with many head morphs in the package
In order to keep it a bit comparable. All have Estal hair and same cute S6 expression. This is just 4 minutes work.. but if you spend a little bit more .. you can give her every look you want.
Clothes are Casual Demin for G2/V6
So.. there is a lot for all.
I guess you're talking about the Gen2 head and body morphs pack ? I didn't purchase them yet, and that's probably the reason why I can't do much with gen2 for now.
Thanks for the render, they make a nice team here :)
I think there is a difference between Stephanie 6 disappointing and the Stephanie 6 Pro Bundle disappointing.
For me, it has been quite a while since I purchased a bundle. I have more than enough clothing and hair right now. Body shapes, faces, skins, etc. are useful to me. Especially since I can blend the morphs to create unique characters.
The new UV mapping is a bit disappointing to me, but I can understand that it may help put the details of the texture in the areas most important for Stephanie.
i would be superwowwed with my Stephanie if she had a luxus skin preset. sighsss
I wasn't really dissapoionted, but I'd love to have had at least one real ethnic characer. Someone looking like she really comes from Kenya or Korea and not another Scandinavian with a tan. (Cassia for Olympia....)