Giselle 6 Genitalia
sioc
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hello,
This is the first time I don't see the genitalia in a pro bundle.
how to use the genitalia with Giselle 6 ? I tried to add it and re-apply the giselle texture and that end with a grey texture area.
Anyone ? how to use it ?
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Do the V6 or any of the other female gens even work with the morph? Back when I did ninja testing for Genesis/V5 and the gens, the gens were "rigged" so that if you geografted them to Genesis and tried to use the child morph, they crumpled into a mess.
DAZ may not have included them if they feel the morph is too "young" and could cause issue.
You can add the Genitalia for Genesis 2 Female just fine, the trouble is with the texturing.
Or I should say with the uv. If both giselle and the genitalia are changed to Victoria 6 with Victoria 6 UV that works.
But I'd like to keep giselle 6 UV.
Any idea ?
The teens pro bundles don't come with them either. There are no uv's for them in the custom uv sets for the teens. There's a pattern.
Teens and children I understand the policy, but giselle 6 is not labelled as a teen.
She may not be labelled a teen but anyone looking at her can tell that is a teen.
Let say so ...
Thanks all
I'd have to agree with the teen thing. If I saw a nude render of Giselle where genitalia was visible, I'd think it was questionable.
The No gens in a Pro Bundle is proof Gisella is considered a Teen figure. If it was considered an Adult Gens would be included. As stated all Adult Pro bundles include them. What more proof does the user need it is a teen?
WHERE IS THE WORD TEEN ?????
There is even not the word young or something close. fae and delicate frame I don't see how that is automaticly teen.
So please stop answering to this post. I don't see the point anymore.
It was decided by daz that model will be without, so be it...
What is daft about this is that if anything about Giselle 6 is 'teen', it is the shape - and only the shape. But the shape can be used with the gens figure simply by using the Giselle 6 shape but a different UV set and textures for that set likethe V6, S6 etc mappings and textures.
Not providing the Giselle 6 UV for the gens only stops textures for the Giselle 6 UVs being used, even if the user wants to use a particular Giselle 6 texture set with a completely different and plainly adult base shape and morphs. So this decision not to provide the gens UV stops entirely the wrong thing. What they should have done is provide the UV map for the gens but update the gens to disable itself when the Giselle 6 morph is applied.
But, anyway, making the UV mapping in question is pretty trivial.
It's likely a legal thing. They don't provide the gens with pro bundle the same as the teens. They don't provide the uv map for the gens with Giselle 6 uv's. DAZ is not selling textures designed specifically for that morph with genital textures.
DAZ cannot stop a user from buying another adult pro bundle and applying the gens to the morphed figure. They can't stop a user from creating their own texture to go with a texture sold in the store. However, they cannot be held responsible for what the user does if their render ends up classed as "kiddie porn" and gets the user tossed in the slammer.
Greetings,
So...no Bondage Fairies/Insect Hunter fan art with Giselle... ;)
-- Morgan
There are genital morphs that come with some G2F figures (this one, for one; I'm sure there's more: http://www.daz3d.com/ej-brisa). Shape Shift for G2F/V6 (http://www.daz3d.com/shape-shift-for-genesis2-female-base-and-v6) includes a bunch of female genital morphs. The nice thing about these is that they don't require the V6 geografted genitalia, so finding a skin texture that works isn't an issue. Whether or not Giselle is a non-adult figure is a different issue, but if you need to do anatomically correct female fairies, there are options.
Thanks for the info. I haven't seen EJ Brisa before. I should buy her before the sale ends.
I wrote an entry about this the other day.
You can't use the default Giselle 6 skin texture with the G2F gens as-is, because the G2F gens have not been updated with the Giselle 6 UVs. (The tip-off to this is probably the fact that they were not included in the Pro bundle.) Teen Josie 6 uses the Surfaces tab >> UV Set >> Base Female setting so her default texture can be used with the G2F gens, but this is not the case with Giselle. However, Giselle can use the G2F gens if you use the textures from V6, G6, etc.—just not her own texture.
For anyone to say that Giselle 6 is considered a "teen" figure that DAZ doesn't want used with anatomically-correct genitals doesn't make a whole lot of sense, considering that Josie is absolutely a teen figure, and she uses DAZ's own genital prop without issue. I don't know why DAZ didn't update the G2F gens for Giselle, and they don't seem to be in any hurry to discuss it.
Unlike the adult female and male pro bundles, the teen and Giselle pro bundles to not have the gens as part of the bundle. The uv's that are designed specifically for the two teen morphs and now Giselle do not have uv's for the gens and I doubt DAZ will permit a vendor to sell a texture that uses one of these uv's with genital textures.
DAZ cannot stop you as a user from taking the V6 genitals which you purchased in the V6 pro bundle for use with the V6 morph and using along with the Giselle morph. They cannot stop you from using the G2F default V5 texture or a V6 texture that comes with genital textures.
It's called CYA.
Since DAZ has had Giselle in the works long enough to send out emails ahead of time, I think you already know the answer to the question about the update to the females gens.
This doesn't explain why Josie's default texture can be used with the G2F gens and Giselle's cannot, which makes no sense if one is going off the supposition that both are considered "teen" figures that DAZ does not want used with gens. Admittedly, Josie's texture doesn't have painted detail in the genital area -- just as Giselle's doesn't -- while all of the other Genesis 2 females textures do have painted detail, but it doesn't explain why Teen Josie 6 can use her default texture with the G2F gens to be as anatomically-correct as Victoria 6 while Giselle 6 the "teen" fairy cannot. I'd be interested in hearing DAZ's explanation for the discrepancy.
Josie's texture can be used on the gens simply because it is designed on the base UV mapping which the genitals support. So even if there is no detail in that area on the actual texture, it can still be applied. If Josie's texture was to be a stand alone UV like Giselle’s, chances are there probably wouldn't be Gen support since they both fall in the "teen" catagory age group.
This doesn't explain why Josie's default texture can be used with the G2F gens and Giselle's cannot, which makes no sense if one is going off the supposition that both are considered "teen" figures that DAZ does not want used with gens. Admittedly, Josie's texture doesn't have painted detail in the genital area -- just as Giselle's doesn't -- while all of the other Genesis 2 females textures do have painted detail, but it doesn't explain why Teen Josie 6 can use her default texture with the G2F gens to be as anatomically-correct as Victoria 6 while Giselle 6 the "teen" fairy cannot. I'd be interested in hearing DAZ's explanation for the discrepancy.
It's not a discrepancy. Since the majority of DAZ morphs now come with unique uv sets, I figure Josie would have them the same as V6 and the others. Looking at the product page, there is no listing for a separate uv set for Josie. I don't have the morph or the bundles because I don't need it so I can only go by the product page.
Since Josie is morph for the G2Female base which has a default V5 uv set, yes, you can apply genital textures for the V5 uv set to it. Again, DAZ isn't selling you a texture created for Josie that has a genital texture. You are choosing to use a texture designed for V5 or an alternate such as V6. Again, DAZ cannot be held liable for what a user does.
In the case of Giselle, she does have a unique uv set. Truth be told, the Giselle morph looks a heck of a lot younger than the default Josie morph.
Are fairies anatomically correct?
I get that Josie is based on the default G2F UV set and that Giselle somehow required her own, which seems rather odd considering that Josie's shape is far more of a departure from the G2F Base than Giselle is from Josie. If anything, Josie should have required her own UV set, which Giselle could presumably have also used.
What I'm getting at is, if DAZ does have an issue with the gens props being used with its teen figures, why wasn't Josie also crafted with her own UV set as Giselle was, and for the same reason? That way both figures would conform to DAZ's presumed line of reasoning. And if DAZ doesn't care about the issue, then what reason was there to deny Giselle the same functionality Josie possesses?
Every character built on G2F up to this point -- Victoria 6, Gia, Olympia, Girl 6, Josie, Stephanie 6 -- have either come with their own genital texture or could map their default skin onto the G2F gens -- now, suddenly and without notice, with Giselle this is no longer the case, and I'm curious to know why.
Think the standalone Unique UV set trend only became standard after that. Who knows. Sometimes a new UV is not required based on certain shapes. Personally, I feel all these different UV's are a nightmare to support (addon texture product related) just for minimal corrections.:-/
From what I was told by another vendor back in the Gen 5 days, the unique uv sets have more to do with stretching and other distortions that can occur with significant alteration of the mesh.
Josie's body shape is not a significant deviation from the base mesh of G2F. A bit shorter and slimmer but a normal human body shape.
Giselle is a much more radical morph. I haven't purchased the morph and don't know if I will so I can't tell if there is any difference between the application of the default V5 texture to Giselle and a texture created for Giselle.
I can't say I'm fond of the extra UV sets.
Greetings,
Maybe Genesis3 will have some advancements to UV mapping that makes it so they can do those corrections without making a large matrix to try to support. The concept of weight-mapping applied to UV maps or something... (I don't have any technical skill in that field, I'm just making stuff up.)
In any case, I think we're just whistling in the dark on this one. I wouldn't have thought of Giselle as a teen, but that's 'cause I imagine fairies as unimaginably old, just mentally forever young. :)
-- Morgan
I have nothing against genitalia...but I think DAZ made a good decision not to have it for Giselle.
In general, I find spending an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to apply genitalia to 3D figures to be patently creepy. You don't need that high a level of realism to do artistic nudes.
Aiko3 was an animee figure but not long after it was released some galleries were removing renders because there was question as to whether or not the figure was too "young".
DAZ is erring on the side of caution in this.
I get the impression I'm coming across as somewhat adversarial, and if I am, I sincerely want to apologize. Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not arguing simply for the sake of 3D genitals, but it's a break in continuity without explanation, and it irks the hell out of me. Up to this point, every character based on G2F -- V6, G6, Gia, Olympia, Josie, or S6 -- has either come with separate genital textures or could map their default skin onto the G2F gens, and now suddenly and without warning, with Giselle, this is no longer the case. DAZ didn't mention this prior to her release, and apparently doesn't feel like explaining the discrepancy now, and it's this lack of communication and transparency that really makes me question why I do business with DAZ sometimes.
Ok, it's actually fairly simple. V6, Girl6, Gia, Olympia and Steph6 are considered adult morphs. Therefor the pro bundles contain the genitals. Josie is considered a teen aka an underage female. Therefore, her pro bundle doesn't contain them.
Unlike Giselle, for whatever reason, the Josie morph does not have a unique uv set. That means you can use the default uv set which is the unique uv set created for V5 (another adult female). If you look at the actual Josie textures (those that are listed specifically for Josie, I don't see any indication of there being a genital texture. I could be wrong in this. The only way you are able to texture the gens when using Josie is if you use either a V5 or another adult female texture.
To cover it's own legal behind with regards to Giselle, DAZ made the decision to not sell the gens with the pro bundle and not provide a uv for the gens with Giselle uv set.
If you go back an look at Hiro3, you will see that Hiro3 did not come with gens. With generation 4, if you wanted the males to have gens, you had the by the Morphs++ pack to get them. They were dropped as part of the base after Generation 3.
I really don't see what the problem is. Giselle has that young look that can cause issues. Issues not only with authorities but with credit card issuers.
if for what ever reason you need to have an anatomically correct fairy
why is it a problem using another texture and uv set?
I really do not understand the issue
you can always use map transfer if you really want that texture on a different uv
on the subject, is there a genital texture for the Daz gorilla?
is just as legitimate and somewhat stupid question but nobody asking it!
Very interesting how some ppl already turned this into "shes thin and tiny - so she is a kid and does not get genitals" lol... To me she is just a woman with a slender frame. You see that type on the street everyday. Apart from the rather unrealistic doll face of her, there is really nothing that I would consider kid like about her. But maybe DAZ was simply aware of the confusion that this could cause among some ppl and therefore left the genitalia out.
We already know that you can use Giselle with the G2F gens if you use textures from Victoria 6 or one of the other G2F-based characters that the gens are mapped for. That's not the point.
Again, what is so specific about Giselle -- who visually appears to be as radical a departure from G2F Base as Josie is, and who actually appears to be nothing more than a slightly-reworked Josie -- that she requires her own UV set, something which ordinarily would have led DAZ to remap the G2F gens to accomodate her, as it did for Olympia, Gia, Stephanie 6, etc.? If your point is that Giselle is so close in appearance to an adolescent human female that mapping her default skin texture to the G2F gens was a legitimate concern to DAZ, then why wasn't the same precaution taken for Josie as well? DAZ obviously doesn't mind Josie's default skin texture being mapped onto the G2F gens, so why should they mind Giselle's doing the same?