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Agreed. I could really use normal contemporary every day clothing. =-)
Brilliant modelers like Uzilite with their top notch rep would sell lots of male clothing, everyday clothing. Look at Beowulf ... best seller for both Gen 3 and 4. So where are the Gen 1 and 2 versions? Folks saying that male clothing doesn't sell have to remember it's also about the merchants reputation and popularity. You can say that's got nothing to do with it but look at the statistics. There is a fairly new merchant over at 'Rosity that's going to town making real life clothing for the Genesis Male 2 figure... can't remember their name but he's got sports, suits and casual wear. There are others like Qraffx that does everything from extreme styled clothing to everyday cool dude stuff complete with jewelry and shoes. Brilliant stuff. I'm surprised DAZ didn't approach this guy a long time ago!
something like? - http://www.daz3d.com/renaissance-male-clothing-for-genesis :)
Well, the artist has to want to make the stuff or to sell here; it's not all on DAZ.
Uzilite doesn't seem to be doing much in this area any more; the most recent items in the DAZ store are a car and Liquid Halo, which was Uzilite's only Genesis item to date. According to Uzilite's quite infrequently updated Facebook page, there was something called M4 Invasion -- distinctly not everyday clothing -- that got put on hold for Liquid Halo back in 2012, and never got picked up again. And uzilite.com has disappeared from the internets.
Qraffx and DZheng seem to have stopped producing as well; neither has done anything at all for Genesis2, and the last update to the Qraffx site was over a year ago. And since they have their own storefront, Qraffx may not have felt the need to approach DAZ; the only other store where their stuff seems to be available is Content Paradise.
There isn't much stuff for G2M at all at Renderosity that I can find. The only G2M stuff I can find there are from Karth, Outoftouch and Sickleyield -- all here as well -- and an expansion to the More Than Human set for Genesis by Dariofish. (Dariofish also has refits of armors at Xurge3d.) Lunchlady has some nice pose presets. SF-Design has texture sets for Outoftouch and DZheng stuff (both Genesis and Genesis2), a couple of expression sets and furniture props. P3Design/PDesign -- also here -- has one morph/texture set. That's all I can find there. Do you remember what sorts of stuff the guy was making?
Which guy? You mentioned so many I couldn't figure out which one! LOL
That's what I'm asking you! You mentioned some new guy at Renderosity, and I can't figure out who you're talking about! The closest one to "new" I can figure is SF-Design, and he doesn't do clothes, just props, expressions and textures.
I am always looking for quality men's wear. It can be tough tough though to find stuff that is as detailed or as complex enough to match the quality of the new figures. When gen 2 was split, I was told this would be to make it easier to make clothing suited to each gender. But I haven't thus far seen an increase as a result of this easier technology unless it is in ladies wear. =-)
What I'd like to see with men's clothing, is more realism, and better fit and more day-to-day stuff.
If there isn't going to be a lot of men's clothing produced, it would be great if more clothing items suitable for kitbashing were more interchangeable to compensate.
Basic stuff like: Overalls, flight suit, cargo pants, hats, sweaters, uniform basics, retro cowboy, duster, gloves, bandannas, space suit etc.
I want quality as well. Just because it is menswear, doesn't mean I'm going to instantly buy it. It needs the little details you might expect to create realism and a dynamic look in the scene. I own a number of men's outfits where details like pockets, and zippers don't look that great even on the figure they are created for.
I know this is possible to create highly detailed outfits, since I do see these on gen 2 females.
YAY.. found him... http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=765191
I just bought his Casual Set A and will be getting the other one next pay period. I love the fact he does both Genesis versions and tend to look for items that are multi version creations, to get more versatility and use out of them.
Ooh those look good, thanks for the link. Shame Dzheng doesn't have any new stuff, still the stuff they do have is really great. Takes shaders really well and has realistic wrinkles.
The upside is that most M4 stuff will fit G1, it's G2M that has a lack a clothes.
I am fitting M4 clothing items to G2M all the time. Granted, for the direct route you need Slosh's product, but even going M4 -> Genesis -> G2M works. The latter option does two conversions so quality may go down.
Yea, I have to say that conversions for the Genesis 2 family really are much much improved. For $hits and Giggles last night I converted the much loved DOA M4 from Deecey and it converted over flawlessly. I mean the shoes are just perfect. Who ever figured out the right thing to do here did a great job. So without a doubt all of those ones for M4 and Genesis 01 should convert over just fine from Dzheng and others....
GIVE THAT PERSON A RAISE! lol
I have several male everyday clothing over at ShareCG, and a few for G2M, but there is only so much you can make for men. Trousers, shirts, suits, jumpers etc. The ladies are so much easier as they wear all sorts of different style dress, skirts and tops that you can have loads of them.
When it comes to everyday clothes for men I still have to see those real baggy jeans and other hip-hop style outfits. Brace trousers is also something I've been looking for.
god, I hate that look in public. Surprised we haven't seen jeans like that yet.
had to look up "bracer" trousers since we call them suspenders in the U.S.
These work?
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/working-man-for-m4
I bought the StreetWear : Jeans For Genesis since they look so realistic and I figured they would look great in an unbiased renderer, but I really don't like the style, too baggy for my tastes and not enough for yours, LOL. Hope he comes out with some more styles.
Funny, just went thru the clothing section looking for something and there is a ton of mens wear, guess users are picky like I am since even skimpwear has to be just right for my tastes.
i wuz just looking at rdna. g2m hasn't seemed to caught on their yet.
Yes but when we stare at our runtimes and find little for the men we know there's more that could be there.
Try spending a day at the mall and really study the guys, their clothes, their hair. I see so many unusual and unnatural hairstyles for men on daz when the ones we see every day in real life go unmade.
In other words, if what you make for men is high quality and desirable, we'll buy it. If people arent buying much for men it's partially because what's out there for men is mostly low quality and ugly. Not trying to be a jerk -just honest. I want more male items than female but I pass on more male items because I would never use them; they just look terrible.
Won't the pair from Paula do?
http://www.sharecg.com/v/73716/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/combo-pants-for-genesis-2-male
I've seen the actual numbers from a couple of high quality artists on sales here and at other stores. Essentially, the effort required to create a high-quality set for male figures has to be offset by selling a number of female sets, because even the best stuff for the guys just doesn't earn enough. There are customers who want it, but not enough of them to recover the amount of effort needed to create the items. :( Anyone trying to earn a living at making 3d clothes has some tough decisions to make. People doing it as a hobby or as an extra sideline have a little mor flexibility, but it's tough to put a lot of time into a set and then sell fewer than 100 copies when you know another short dress would easily sell 3 times as many units, never mind a high quality female set.
It is too bad that more outfits couldn't be designed with interchangeable gender neutral parts. I do have some, like Police and Security both by Sickleyield.
Granted such outfits aren't outright smexy, although they can be made to be.
I would be curious if people are buying the less sexy female clothing at the same rate, as the skimpier clothing. In other words... Is it the revealing nature of the clothing which is selling, or the fact it is for female characters?
I rarely buy female clothing. I think some of it's ridiculous in design and sometimes it's not even sexy it's just weirdly made. Same for guy clothing or clothing that's the same as last weeks. I think that's one of the reasons I only purchase once or twice a month now. It gives me more time to see what's being released and if there are similar products which is going to be better in my eyes, which has more detail, which has textures included that seem the most realistic and eye catching. I've also seeing the guys get the shaft (and not in a fun way) with what looks like clothing models that took about an hour or two to throw together and then see that same maker release something for the gals that's just splendid. Very off putting.
Folks get mad because I'm not totally supportive of just ANYTHING that's released. Uh, well it's my money and I have a good eye about the bits I'm looking for and well sorry, not going to throw my hard earned money out the window on some precedence that in order to show we want male stuff we have to tolerate even the bad stuff being released. Nope, not how I operate!
Hi, the big sale for Michale 4 and his clothes is still running: http://www.daz3d.com/daz-michael-4-sale
and oh boy did I buy a lot!!
had my greedy green eyes on that beowulf outfit for years. iz mine Mike's nao. muwhahah. :)
And I have cleared nearly all the M4 and Genesis Male clothes from my wishlist and then some, only a couple of texture packs left. Doesn't mean we don't want some high quality, versatile and interchangeable clothes made for G2M. I picked up Med4D outfits today because I think they look stunning, even though I don't think I'll use them often as it is not a period I render in.
I also earned the bonus for 15 punches... only 1 male item in the whole of the Pinup category, nice to have a choice :down:
Both, I think. I don't mean every customer thinks that way, just that that's where the majority of sales actually seem to come from. Revealing clothing for men also seems to sell pretty well, but not as well as revealing clothing for females. I don't know if revealing clothing for men outsells more prosaic clothing for females, but probably not.
Those of us who are looking for other content find it very frustrating, but the people who make the outfits have to put food on the table, etc., and there aren't enough of us to support that by ourselves. We don't have to buy stuff we don't want and can't use... we just have to accept that the larger volume of that kind of stuff in the store, and the people who buy it, is what keeps the store open and the creators in business, so the minority of us with different tastes can occasionally get content we really like when our favorite vendors can afford to make it.
At least, that's the conclusion I've come to. :)
Yeah, one has to scour all the stores to get a decent male-figure wardrobe together, while one can get away with buying a decent female-figure wardrobe just at DAZ3D.
Such as the vicious cycle...
PA Makes Male Item > It Doesn't Sell Well > PA Becomes Discouraged From Making More> Costumers Can't Buy What Isn't For Sale.
Unless of course, as mentioned, that you're lucky enough to be a popular artist like SickleYield or MaleM3dia, then the outcomes are a bit different. Though, I will admit that the fact that we've yet to see more males to come in the future after Aiko 6 (because that would technically be all the females, assuming there aren't anymore new ones in the works) may help with turning the tables a bit.
All the adult females - we still haven't seen Laura or Maddie on G2F.
Mind you, I'd hope to see Luke with Laura, and Matt with Maddie.
I'm still hoping to see Oliver with Olympia and Gilbert with Giselle. Or for that matters David 6.