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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,182
    Diomede said:

    RE: Smoke

    - my first attempt at smoke early in the WIP thread was taking a modeled cone-like shape, applying a shatter modifier, and a blur effect.

    - my second attempt, which was my first entry, was creating a new layer in an image editing program and trying to use part of a Ron's smoke, but it was more of a square cloud (see attached).

    - my third attempt, which is current, turns off the Ron's smoke layer, and instead uses a new layer with a smoke I found on the web (also attached)

    I like how the current version looks like flame, so in my view a happy accident.

    I should say that the current version is not an overlay of the smoke, it is instead a color dodge, which is why it looks blown out.  I tried dialing it down but I liked it blown out better.

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    Stezza said:

    Just a quickie....

    I created some smoke and applied it to a grid in the alpha and glow channel... the colour channel can be any colour you like.. I duplicated the grid seven times with different sizes and rotations and ended up with LoRenzo Genie.. no postwork.

    Smoke PNG file attached

    Great example!

    Thanks for the png.  What is a "grid"?  Are you talking about a plane?

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    Diomede said:

    RE: Smoke

    - my first attempt at smoke early in the WIP thread was taking a modeled cone-like shape, applying a shatter modifier, and a blur effect.

    - my second attempt, which was my first entry, was creating a new layer in an image editing program and trying to use part of a Ron's smoke, but it was more of a square cloud (see attached).

    - my third attempt, which is current, turns off the Ron's smoke layer, and instead uses a new layer with a smoke I found on the web (also attached)

    I like how the current version looks like flame, so in my view a happy accident.

    Thanks for those explanations.

    Your render has an air brush softness to it.  Very impressive.  Headwax said it was one of his favorite renders of yours, and I agree.

    However, the smoke effect you use kind of shocks the eyes.  To me, it doesn't fit the dreamy airbrush style.

    Then again, we all don't see things the same way. :)

     

     

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    Thanks HW, for the comments, and for the 2 Gig reminder. :)

    I hated getting to one gig.  At that level, you have to be very patient and let Carrara finish each task before doing something different.  Otherwise, it will crash.  Towards the end, save times were almost 10 minutes! 

    I tried to reduce the morphs (the two G2 knight figures) using Alberto's tool, but it didn't make hardly any difference.  Maybe the laird (G1) was the problem.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,289
    UnifiedBrain said:
    Stezza said:

    Just a quickie....

    I created some smoke and applied it to a grid in the alpha and glow channel... the colour channel can be any colour you like.. I duplicated the grid seven times with different sizes and rotations and ended up with LoRenzo Genie.. no postwork.

    Smoke PNG file attached

    Great example!

    Thanks for the png.  What is a "grid"?  Are you talking about a plane?

    in the vertex modeller an inserted plane is a grid with definable parameters 

    as opposed the the primitive plane which when converted to other modeller has only 2 polys

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    in the vertex modeller an inserted plane is a grid with definable parameters 

    as opposed the the primitive plane which when converted to other modeller has only 2 polys

    Oh jeez, how could I forget that? Thanks. :)

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,182
    edited October 2020

    Here is yet another smoke version.  I took the orignal composite with 'shatter/blur" smoke and put that in the backdrop of carrara.  I put the 2-smoke column image on a plane in the channles for color / alpha / bump, then reduced the bump and rendered out a version with the first smoke column.  Repeated for the second smoke column.  I overlay the two smoke versions over the original mixing in some of each smoke.  Hopefully better.

    I appreciate all the constructive feedback.

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  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2020
    Bunyip02 said:
    Diomede said:

    Canteen Update

    Thank you for the vulture, Stezza.

    Fixed some poke through, mussed up some shaders

    added a light dome with lights set very low to get some fill light under the left leg and torso, and in cliffs and brighten slightly all over

    Vultures definately add to the scene !!

    ~ +1   yeah , sure does _

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  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,213
    Stezza said:

    Just a quickie....

    I created some smoke and applied it to a grid in the alpha and glow channel... the colour channel can be any colour you like.. I duplicated the grid seven times with different sizes and rotations and ended up with LoRenzo Genie.. no postwork.

    Smoke PNG file attached

    ~  pretty good  ~

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,114
    UnifiedBrain said:
    Stezza said:

    Just a quickie....

    I created some smoke and applied it to a grid in the alpha and glow channel... the colour channel can be any colour you like.. I duplicated the grid seven times with different sizes and rotations and ended up with LoRenzo Genie.. no postwork.

    Smoke PNG file attached

    Great example!

    Thanks for the png.  What is a "grid"?  Are you talking about a plane?

    no probs... as Wendy said.. wink

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,114

    Entry Thread Closes Sometime on Thursday, 15th October 2020

    which will be sometime Friday Australian time... probably around 4pmish time when we feed the kangaroos.

    or whenever the last time in the world ticks over to the 16th!

    I wonder where in the world that is cool

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    Diomede said:

    Here is yet another smoke version.  I took the orignal composite with 'shatter/blur" smoke and put that in the backdrop of carrara.  I put the 2-smoke column image on a plane in the channles for color / alpha / bump, then reduced the bump and rendered out a version with the first smoke column.  Repeated for the second smoke column.  I overlay the two smoke versions over the original mixing in some of each smoke.  Hopefully better.

    I appreciate all the constructive feedback.

    If we reach the point where too many suggestions get counterproductive, just let me know.

    The new one looks better to my eyes.  Maybe have the smoke more white?

    Also, I would like to see the genie "emerge" from the smoke, much like what Stezza said a while back:

    Stezza said:

    Raiders of the Lost Genie Bottle... awesome stuff, though I would of liked more pronunciation of billowing white smoke coming from the bottle.. good use of techniques love it yes

     

  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2020
    Diomede said:

    Cool striped effects, ed3D.  yes

     

    ~  and  Thanx  kindly  ~

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  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    edited October 2020
    Headwax said:

    I always wented a glass board so I could see the water trails beneath me while I surfed the wave.

    I never wanted to see the bities that swam under me as I was paddling back out though

    unadulterated image attached - the scene is in carrara's native files

     

    Wow Headwax, awesome! So...layered upon layers... Very striking

    @DesertDude - that's another classic image, love the colour saturation - and even how well structured the instances tab is!! Goya nevere looked so good.

    Thanks Headwax for the nice comments

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  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    ed3D said:

    _ not sure on this Version  ~  thanx ~

    I hope we get to see the final version - landscape and scene elements are looking great. yes

  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    UnifiedBrain said:

    Whate'er the Laird Desires

     

    When researching historical romance covers, there appeared to be a couple of "most popular" romance themes.  One of them was the well-bred and beautiful lass forced to interact with a brave and brawny Scottish laird.  I guess that it was fueled by the Highlander movie and the Outlander books and current TV series.  I haven't seen or read the series, but I just saw the Highlander movie last night.  It wasn't very romantic, so I suspect that Outlander had more influence.

    The lass is V4 semi-dressed in the Sugar outfit.  The laird is Freak 5.  The scene is one big kitbash, with over 15 different products in use.  If you have any specific questions on products, just ask.  It was my first 1 Gig scene.  When the scene gets that big, even a good processor lags a bit.

    For the background blur, I used Carrara DOF, and also blurred some objects.  The goal was to make the characters pop a little in a very busy scene.  Any feedback on that is appreciated.

    I did some limited modeling on the food items, and adjusted the characters a lot in the modeling room.  No postwork.

     

    Fantastic scene UnifiedBrain! The DOF definitely helps the characters 'pop'. When you say 'and also blurred some objects' did you use Carrara's native Blur for objects under Effects Tab?
    Great lighting! Nice subtle reflections on the floor.

  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    Vyusur said:

    One more desire...

    Octane render. No postwork.

    Your compostion is fanatstic as well as the figure poses. Beautiful work!

  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    Diomede said:

    Canteen Update

    Thank you for the vulture, Stezza.

    Fixed some poke through, mussed up some shaders

    added a light dome with lights set very low to get some fill light under the left leg and torso, and in cliffs and brighten slightly all over

    Looks great Diomede - thanks for the explanations (and the canteen!)

  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    Stezza said:

    Just a quickie....

    I created some smoke and applied it to a grid in the alpha and glow channel... the colour channel can be any colour you like.. I duplicated the grid seven times with different sizes and rotations and ended up with LoRenzo Genie.. no postwork.

    Smoke PNG file attached

    That effect looks friggin' awesome Stezza! Thanks for the explanations.
    Plus...nice sky in the background. Dramatic - the good kind.  smiley

  • DesertDudeDesertDude Posts: 1,238
    edited October 2020

    I'm pretty sure this will be my final entry. smiley (click for larger)

     

    Since the last WIP post I added:

    A Surface Replicator with some simple stones I made. I made a duplicate of my Terrain object and converted to a Vertex Object. I then selected polygons around the snails to my liking, inverted the selection, deleted those polys and what remained acted as my surface. Stones are super simple with minor variations and different Shaders. Some of the stones are real instances to help judiciously hide many things, mainly the painfully straight horizontal line that ran across the image....

    I also modeled some leaves and made some plants from them, and also used them as individual little sprouting weeds. Painful slop job painting of texture maps, but can't really see too much detail anyways in the image, so...

    Finsihed the flower.

    I strecthed the 'guy' snail's eyes on the 'Z' axis and squished them on the 'X' and 'Y' to by more oval, using bones. For both snails I used Carrara's 3D paint to create the iris / pupils.

    Gal snail has Carrara native Hair for eyelashes.

    For post work I used a couple of mattes: Depth, Specular and, a custom Alpha matte of everything excluding the Voluemtric Clouds and the the actual Bi Gradient Backdrop. Why? Because I didn't want the effects to obliterate the background (...it's easy to do that on my own  laugh). I rendered the Volumetric Clouds and the Bi Gradient Backdrop as seperate layers to further isolate them.

    The Depth matte was used to drive a Hue / Saturation effect to push the background elements more blue and lighter in value. I then inverted it and used it to subtly re-warm the foreground elements where there was too much spill over. I also used it for Depth of Field effects - something with which I have little experience so not sure if it looks bad.

    I used the Specular pass to isolate the spec hits for my Keylight only. To achieve that, I saved out a duplicate scene, turned off all the lights except my Keylight, told Carrara to render a Specular pass in the Render room using Multipass Rendering, then kept the Specular pass and ditched that particular 'beauty' pass.
    For the 'beauty' pass I turned off ALL Highlight and Shininess Channels in all Shaders and rendered that as my 'color' pass...er, don't know what to call that, but it had no spec hits. I then applied my Specular pass to that image which eliminated all the errant spec hits from any fill lights. I wanted specular hits from one light source only since they are outside in the sun.

    As usual, I learned a lot from the experience of making the image as well as everyone generously sharing their tips and tricks using Carrara. Thank you.

    Cheers!

    edited: to add Assembky Room screen shot and Shaders screen shot

     

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,114
    DesertDude said:

    I'm pretty sure this will be my final entry. smiley (click for larger)

     

    Since the last WIP post I added:

    A Surface Replicator with some simple stones I made. I made a duplicate of my Terrain object and converted to a Vertex Object. I then selected polygons around the snails to my liking, inverted the selection, deleted those polys and what remained acted as my surface. Stones are super simple with minor variations and different Shaders. Some of the stones are real instances to help judiciously hide many things, mainly the painfully straight horizontal line that ran across the image....

    I also modeled some leaves and made some plants from them, and also used them as individual little sprouting weeds. Painful slop job painting of texture maps, but can't really see too much detail anyways in the image, so...

    Finsihed the flower.

    I strecthed the 'guy' snail's eyes on the 'Z' axis and squished them on the 'X' and 'Y' to by more oval, using bones. For both snails I used Carrara's 3D paint to create the iris / pupils.

    Gal snail has Carrara native Hair for eyelashes.

    For post work I used a couple of mattes: Depth, Specular and, a custom Alpha matte of everything excluding the Voluemtric Clouds and the the actual Bi Gradient Backdrop. Why? Because I didn't want the effects to obliterate the background (...it's easy to do that on my own  laugh). I rendered the Volumetric Clouds and the Bi Gradient Backdrop as seperate layers to further isolate them.

    The Depth matte was used to drive a Hue / Saturation effect to push the background elements more blue and lighter in value. I then inverted it and used it to subtly re-warm the foreground elements where there was too much spill over. I also used it for Depth of Field effects - something with which I have little experience so not sure if it looks bad.

    I used the Specular pass to isolate the spec hits for my Keylight only. To achieve that, I saved out a duplicate scene, turned off all the lights except my Keylight, told Carrara to render a Specular pass in the Render room using Multipass Rendering, then kept the Specular pass and ditched that particular 'beauty' pass.
    For the 'beauty' pass I turned off ALL Highlight and Shininess Channels in all Shaders and rendered that as my 'color' pass...er, don't know what to call that, but it had no spec hits. I then applied my Specular pass to that image which eliminated all the errant spec hits from any fill lights. I wanted specular hits from one light source only since they are outside in the sun.

    As usual, I learned a lot from the experience of making the image as well as everyone generously sharing their tips and tricks using Carrara. Thank you.

    Cheers!

    edited: to add Assembky Room screen shot and Shaders screen shot

     

    what great info.. I just love your snails!  heart

    awesome stuff yes

    for those who haven't finished up yet, there's still time for wips and entries but time is ticking 

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    DesertDude said:

    Fantastic scene UnifiedBrain! The DOF definitely helps the characters 'pop'. When you say 'and also blurred some objects' did you use Carrara's native Blur for objects under Effects Tab?
    Great lighting! Nice subtle reflections on the floor.

    Thanks for the comments!

    The problem with using Carrrara DOF in this scene, is that the background is not far enough "back" to get the DOF feature to give much blur.  So, to compensate, I blurred everything on the back wall - including the back wall - by blurring each individual object.  I also cranked Carrara DOF to the max in hopes of having enough gradual blur in the scene so the back wall wouldn't look too weird.  The chair at the back end of the table is also blurred, but less than the back wall.  The goal was to have a midblur point to help fool the eyes into seeing a gradual blur.

    BTW, your snail render is terrific - one of your best!  All of the final touches you added fit perfectly.

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    DesertDude said:
    Vyusur said:

    One more desire...

    Octane render. No postwork.

    Your compostion is fanatstic as well as the figure poses. Beautiful work!

    Thank you very much!

     

  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2020
    DesertDude said:
    ed3D said:

    _ not sure on this Version  ~  thanx ~

    I hope we get to see the final version - landscape and scene elements are looking great. yes

    ~  thanx  very kindly  _  this kind of is the Final , except the Tent Flag colour ( trying to pick  colour that Stands out )   ~

    _ Carrara and Blender  and TrueSpace_

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  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2020

    ~ and  the Final One ~

    _ Carrara and Blender   (almost forgot to type in)  and Krita for  texture on Submarine  _

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,114
    edited October 2020

    ENTRIES HAVE CLOSED

     

    thanks to all who participated

     

    VOTING HAS BEGUN

     

    after party chit chat now begins in this thread..

    chat away... any questions about how something was done, then ask away..

    suggestions for making a great apple pie .. then do it here

    feel like getting boned but being put off by the weight painting?.... yep, that sux.

    yes

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,289
    edited October 2020

    rhubarb pie with icecream but then I get too weightmapped

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  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2020
    UnifiedBrain said:

    A Sudden Desire to Rip a Bodice

     

    This is another one for the ladies... although you never know. :)

    Played this one pretty straight.  It has the elements of a typical romance novel cover.

    The characters are V4 and M3.  Did a lot of soft select tweaking in the modeling room to get the limbs and torsos right.  Kitbashed the clothes.  V4 is wearing the My Princess top and the Happy Skirt bottom, both with modified textures.  M3 has pants from the High Fantasy Clothing Bundle, which is apparently no longer available.  It's the reason I keep buying old products, before they are vaulted.  The boots are Bucanneer Boots from the M3 Boot Pack.  Hair is Leyton and Mon Chevalier.

    The vessels are HMS Victory and Cast Away Dinghy.  Never used either before.  Both work well in Carrara.

    I used the Spectral Clouds preset as a base environment, changed the clouds and added a rock.  All text is Carrara.  GMIC was used only for contrast.

    Because of the reflections and delicate (thinner) features, I made a fairly large render (2700x3564) and went with an object accuracy of 1.  Even with 24 buckets, it still took 6 hours!  Too long for my tastes.

    No postwork.

    _ and How does One have this Ocean/Water  light rippley_wavey look ??  ~ thanx ~

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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    ed3D said:
    DesertDude said:
    ed3D said:

    _ not sure on this Version  ~  thanx ~

    I hope we get to see the final version - landscape and scene elements are looking great. yes

    ~  thanx  very kindly  _  this kind of is the Final , except the Tent Flag colour ( trying to pick  colour that Stands out )   ~

    _ Carrara and Blender  and TrueSpace_

    The tent flag color didn't work for me (too bright) but everything else was just dandy.  You significantly improved the lighting of the saucer.  The circular grooves are very intriguing.  Super clever title as well. yes

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,289
    ed3D said:
    UnifiedBrain said:

    A Sudden Desire to Rip a Bodice

     

    This is another one for the ladies... although you never know. :)

    Played this one pretty straight.  It has the elements of a typical romance novel cover.

    The characters are V4 and M3.  Did a lot of soft select tweaking in the modeling room to get the limbs and torsos right.  Kitbashed the clothes.  V4 is wearing the My Princess top and the Happy Skirt bottom, both with modified textures.  M3 has pants from the High Fantasy Clothing Bundle, which is apparently no longer available.  It's the reason I keep buying old products, before they are vaulted.  The boots are Bucanneer Boots from the M3 Boot Pack.  Hair is Leyton and Mon Chevalier.

    The vessels are HMS Victory and Cast Away Dinghy.  Never used either before.  Both work well in Carrara.

    I used the Spectral Clouds preset as a base environment, changed the clouds and added a rock.  All text is Carrara.  GMIC was used only for contrast.

    Because of the reflections and delicate (thinner) features, I made a fairly large render (2700x3564) and went with an object accuracy of 1.  Even with 24 buckets, it still took 6 hours!  Too long for my tastes.

    No postwork.

    _ and does One have this Ocean/Water  light rippley_wavey look ??  ~ thanx ~

    I suspect it is also a Carrara Ocean primitive at high resolution maybe even seamlessly replicated but Unified Brain can enlighten us cheeky

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