Concrete pirate ships...?
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Um... am I the only one who's confounded by the fact that bituka's latest product https://www.daz3d.com/pirates-cannons seems to be a pirate ship that's made out of concrete? Yes, it's true that a boat can be made out of ferro-concrete, but the technique for doing so was only developed in the early twentieth century and, to this day, is still considered a notoriously non-durable material. For a vessel that has to be designed to survive cannon fire it's... well... going to shatter and sink like a rock.
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I know. As soon as I saw it I came here to see if anyone had already posted about it. I'm used to DAZ products being completely inaccurate historically, incorrectly described, and woefully inappropriate in terms of design... like the ridiculous number of toilets that have no seats and suits of metal armor with high heels... but sometimes one really has to wonder if anyone is paying any attention at all.
no words...
I'd be more concerned with the walls being this straight. Usually they bend inwards. Wood surface can be provided with shaders.
I was also surprised at the hammocks, which looked quite luxury. I assumed most hammocks of that era where just a piece of cloth anchored to two points. Maybe these pirates are on the upper class deck?
From the description I didn't take it as a ship, but more as a kinda fortress-y thing...
I was wondering more about the guns' one-piece carriages and the decorative but useless ropes attached to the guns... and the lack of gunpowder kegs and heaps of cannon balls..
Doesn't matter too much to me, though, as I don't have a need pirate-ish stuff anyway
obviously a modern replica but not a historically accurate one, maybe in a theme park
AFAIK only the cannons for sale so they grabbed a handy fake ship to display them
Russell Crowe "Fightin' Round the World" had a good episode in "Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World".
Good shots of the gun deck, hammocks, etc.
/only problem: no Tugger in the episode
The ship section is included in the product. You can see it in the clay renders at the end of the promo images, and the text says that it's an environment.
The modern theme park idea actually does work. A luxe hammock for people to try out, employees can take a nap during down times ... it would make sense.
Hard to see the concrete for the pixels to be frank. Too many surfaces in that product look like they've been downscaled drastically. I assume they've merged several props into each texture map - too many.
...well there was the Crimson Permanent Assurance.which was made of masonry and stone.
https://vimeo.com/111458975
Obviously concrete ships are much stronger than wood, every pirate knows this!
There's a nice stone boat at Portmeirion in Wales. It was seen several times in the original "The Prisoner" series.
If made properly, with sufficient steel re-inforcing (20% by cross sectional area), 1:1 sand:cement ratio in the plastering and fully plastered in one day or with continuous casting mechinisms in place, the vessel is as durable as a grp one. The big problem has been all the DIY concrete boats over the years made by people who don't have sufficient plasterers to get continuous casting or sufficient steel in the mix and who don't take adequate maintenance procedures over the life of the vessel. Have given the whole idea a bad name.
I like the idea of a cupro-nickel vessel, as it is largely unaffected by corrosion and suffers only minimal erosion. Shame about the cost.
Regards,
Richard.
That was the best pirate movie I have ever seen, lol. Thanks for the link.
As a former sailor, you would have to get me plastered to sail that sort of ship...
With a 20% steel cross section in a 3" thick section, you'd be paying for less steel if you made the thing only out of steel instead. I have a Bruce Roberts Spray 370 design, and the hull plating is 4mm of S275 structural steel (430N/mm^2 ultimate, 275N/mm^2 yield), so less steel than in the properly reinforced concrete yacht where the average amount should be 15mm. However, I agree I'd personally feel safer in the ductile steel yacht. (Other scantlings of the Spray 370: Deck 3mm, frames 5 or 6mm depending on location, stringers 5mm, keel side 6mm, keel frames 8mm and keel bottom 12mm. My own dynamic finite element analysis indicates impact with a pointed rock will puncture the hull plating at speeds over 12kt, but the hull speed is 8kt.)
Regards,
Richard.
Well, if the recent ship releases on the store have achieved something is to remind me how much I miss Faveral, as well as the crazy amounts of money I would be willing to pay for a new version of the Licorne, with Iray materials setup and even expansion sets for the gun deck and cabins (you know, historically accurate ones).
In the meantime, back to the theme park version I guess...
What if the ship isn't a typical ship but a large raft with a concrete building on top of it? It'd explain everyting. No one said fantasy pirates can't be using rafts with concrete gunhouses!
Not necessarily. This is an excellent pirate ship: https://www.daz3d.com/pw-pirate-ship-poseidon ;
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Those pirate ships are very high quality models, but they're fantasy works like Disney pirate movies. If you want an accurate sailing ship then the only product that really qualifies is the Licorne. Never displaced by anything in the store.
no one else notice... the cannons are *not* in the carriages?
if you look, they modeled the hoops to hold the lugs on the cannons.. but no lugs.
fire one of those babies and its flying back accross the deck at speed. without the carriage.
(ok I can see that circle under the hoops.. but if thats the lug (too small, wrong position) then why model the iron holding hoop above....?)
I'm not sure why people think the pirate ship is concrete. There is no indication at all in the product description this is anything but some sort of acme pirate cannon storage facility.
Must admit I had not noticed the absence of the trunnions. Bit of an oversight. By both those looking & those modelling.
Regards,
Richard
The lack of wood grain on the part of the mast going through the gun deck, and the general lack of wood surfaces. (Most/all of the wood can be corrected in one way or another, or explained away as a heavily painted interior.)
It more resembles concrete or a stucco interior than a wooden ship.
It isn't meant to be a ship. I'm not sure why anyone thinks it is?
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Pirate's Cannons is an environment where the cannons are placed to be used in a war with other pirate ships in the middle of the sea. The place even has hammocks on it where pirates can rest.
Add Pirate's Cannons to your library and set sail today!"
I'm almost sure it was supposed to be ship interior. Going by the description alone.
erm. you can't fire the cannons anyway.
no taper hole.
Excellent maybe, realistic certainly not. Have you seen the size of the cabin, with ceilings so high it would not look out of place in a palace.
In ships of that era you were lucky to enter a room without having to stoop, and you would likely get three decks into the one floor on the Posiden. I also doubt that ship would float given the huge weight of the stern end.
The same PA does however offer a more realistic pirate ship, namely this one: https://www.daz3d.com/pw-customizable-pirate-ship
I don't read it that way. Cannons are made on land. Sure pirates can use them in ships in the middle of the sea, but there is no indication at all this is intended to be a ship at sea. It's simply a storage area for cannons.
Thus it could easily be a tower, a yard, a bastille somewhere else.