Concrete pirate ships...?

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  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited August 2021

    Serene Night said:

    PixelSploiting said:

    "Details

    Pirate's Cannons is an environment where the cannons are placed to be used in a war with other pirate ships in the middle of the sea. The place even has hammocks on it where pirates can rest.

    Add Pirate's Cannons to your library and set sail today!"

     

     I'm almost sure it was supposed to be ship interior. Going by the description alone.

    I don't read it that way. Cannons are made on land. Sure pirates can use them in ships in the middle of the sea,  but there is no indication at all this is intended to be a ship at sea. It's simply a storage area for cannons.

    Thus it could easily be a tower, a yard, a bastille somewhere else.

     

    The "other pirate ships" phrase is evident. On top of this, the interior has a mast column going through the decks. That's something done on ships. It also has modeled hull ribs supporting the roof and the roof is curved. The interior section is elongated, it has one set of stair going to the lower deck and another one to the upper aft castle. It's not planned like any building interior.

     

     Even if it was supposed to be age of sail gunhouse, those were made of brick or stone.

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    And there's see on both sides of the structure.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,429

    Sea defense. Doesn't have to be a ship.

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited August 2021

    This is age of sail fort from the inside:

     

     

    And how they look when they're built literally in the "middle of the sea":

     

     

    If this interrior was supposed to be a fortress interior it wouldn't be even close.

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  • Well, it's Pirate's Canons, hence ship is the nearest. If it is meant to be kind of a fortress or tower it would be a strange outpost as it has canons on both sides. Cannot picture any fortress with such a setup. Should have probably been called lighthouse canons then ;-)

  • hacsarthacsart Posts: 2,025

    Indeed.. and there's a lot of gun tackle missing, too..

    Khai-J-Bach said:

    no one else notice... the cannons are *not* in the carriages?

    if you look, they modeled the hoops to hold the lugs on the cannons.. but no lugs.

     

    fire one of those babies and its flying back accross the deck at speed. without the carriage.

    (ok I can see that circle under the hoops.. but if thats the lug (too small, wrong position) then why model the iron holding hoop above....?)

  • 3Don3Don Posts: 690
    edited August 2021

    huntethan2 said:

    Well, if the recent ship releases on the store have achieved something is to remind me how much I miss Faveral, as well as the crazy amounts of money I would be willing to pay for a new version of the Licorne, with Iray materials setup and even expansion sets for the gun deck and cabins (you know, historically accurate ones).

    In the meantime, back to the theme park version I guess...

    Where is Faveral?

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,851

    Khai-J-Bach said:

    no one else notice... the cannons are *not* in the carriages?

    I have to admit, I didn't look that closely at the cannons. I already noped out when my eyes fell on that hammock on my first glance.

    But to go on, what are these short lengths of rope hanging from the ceiling supposed to be? And this ridiculous decorative door?

    This whole thing looks more like some ridiculous naval-themed yuppie bar than anything else.

  • 3Don said:

    huntethan2 said:

    Well, if the recent ship releases on the store have achieved something is to remind me how much I miss Faveral, as well as the crazy amounts of money I would be willing to pay for a new version of the Licorne, with Iray materials setup and even expansion sets for the gun deck and cabins (you know, historically accurate ones).

    In the meantime, back to the theme park version I guess...

    Where is Faveral?

    https://www.daz3d.com/faveral 

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,058
    edited September 2021

    I'm very confused by this...

    Since I don't feel comfortable saying negative stuff about other people's models I'm just going to assume this set is actually some sort of seagoing pirate themed restaurant or LARPing cruise... the fancy hammocks, doors and faux concrete paint job say luxury and taste, while the cannons say "pirates of the Caribbean"... clearly they've color coded the left and right side of the side of the ship for those unfamiliar with "starboard" and "port", so I'm guessing they are not the most experienced pirates... "Yarrrr, fire the port side cannons... yarrrr, that be the yellow side, ya scurvy dogs!"... Also possible, perhaps the whole thing is a reference to a particular fantasy genre or anime or maybe some sort of ship I'm unfamiliar with... that could explain the lack of fittings on the hammocks where the ropes just go directly into the ceiling... (okay, that's only part that really bothers me, come on no eye hook or bracket or hardware of any sort?)

    Edited to add... I didn't notice the cannons don't attach to the carriages... but I did notice that there's apparently a pendant type light in the storage area, so I'm guessing it has electricity as a gas or oil lamp would not be that shape.

    So maybe it is a pirate themed bar or club?

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,058

    Serene Night said:

    PixelSploiting said:

    "Details

    Pirate's Cannons is an environment where the cannons are placed to be used in a war with other pirate ships in the middle of the sea. The place even has hammocks on it where pirates can rest.

    Add Pirate's Cannons to your library and set sail today!"

     

     I'm almost sure it was supposed to be ship interior. Going by the description alone.

    I don't read it that way. Cannons are made on land. Sure pirates can use them in ships in the middle of the sea,  but there is no indication at all this is intended to be a ship at sea. It's simply a storage area for cannons.

    Thus it could easily be a tower, a yard, a bastille somewhere else.

    I'm pretty sure the cylindrical thing in the middle of the room is supposed to be a mast post, or whatever it's called... also, it's pretty narrow for a building with cannons on both sides... granted it could be a narrow section of a fort, but usually the cannons would not aim straight out... and generally sections like that were built at an angle, like the rays of a star, to maximize the area the guns could cover.

  • Cybersox said:

    Um... am I the only one who's confounded by the fact that bituka's latest product https://www.daz3d.com/pirates-cannons seems to be a pirate ship that's made out of concrete?  Yes, it's true that a boat can be made out of ferro-concrete, but the technique for doing so was only developed in the early twentieth century and, to this day, is still considered a notoriously non-durable material.  For a vessel that has to be designed to survive cannon fire it's... well... going to shatter and sink like a rock.     

    Yeah, there's really nothing "concrete" in regards to what exactly the environment around the cannons is suppose to be. For a shore or island based cannon battery, I can't imagine having a position that requires cannons pointing in opposite directions like that, at least from a strategic defensive perspective. The configuration makes more sense on a ship where I would not expect to find cement/stone-looking pillars.

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,248

    McGyver said:

    "Yarrrr, fire the port side cannons... yarrrr, that be the yellow side, ya scurvy dogs!"

    Looooooooooooooool, thanks @McGyver , made my day! 

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    mding said:

    McGyver said:

    "Yarrrr, fire the port side cannons... yarrrr, that be the yellow side, ya scurvy dogs!"

    Looooooooooooooool, thanks @McGyver , made my day! 
     

    Lol... That sounds a lot like my sea of thieves experience. :)

  • If you don't like concrete pirate ships, what about an aircraft carrier made of ice?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

  • There were some ludicrously outre ideas floated in WW2. Some could even have worked well enough to be useful.

  • Db3dDb3d Posts: 248

    Cybersox said:

    Um... am I the only one who's confounded by the fact that bituka's latest product https://www.daz3d.com/pirates-cannons seems to be a pirate ship that's made out of concrete?  Yes, it's true that a boat can be made out of ferro-concrete, but the technique for doing so was only developed in the early twentieth century and, to this day, is still considered a notoriously non-durable material.  For a vessel that has to be designed to survive cannon fire it's... well... going to shatter and sink like a rock.     

    I knew a guy in California who built a ferro-cement sail boat.  The issue I saw with it is eventually the rebar will oxidize and expand causing the cement to crack and crumble - especially when exposed to SALT WATER.   Yeah, you don't see many of them being built any more.

  • Db3dDb3d Posts: 248

    dennisgray41 said:

    If you don't like concrete pirate ships, what about an aircraft carrier made of ice?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

    That's a good one.

    Then there was the "ice bullet", which MythBusters debunked as not being possible.  

    But, watch out for falling icecicles.  They'll nail you ever time.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,094

    ...or falling squirrels.

  • kyoto kid said:

    ...or falling squirrels.

    ...or dare I say falling concrete. 

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    Pixel8ted said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...or falling squirrels.

    ...or dare I say falling concrete. 
     

    what would be worse when cannonballs hit? Wood splinter or concrete?

  • Paintbox said:

    Pixel8ted said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...or falling squirrels.

    ...or dare I say falling concrete. 
     

    what would be worse when cannonballs hit? Wood splinter or concrete?

    Flying squirrel cannonballs would also be unpleasant.

  • ...

    what would be worse when cannonballs hit? Wood splinter or concrete?

    Good question. Spalls of concrete would be incredibly hard (provided not powdered by the impact) and sharp and probably ricochet everywhere. Wood splinters are sharp & would probably have a wider spread inside the chamber as the ends of the splinters would hang on a bit before breaking off, widening the cone of lethality. However on the one ballistic high speed video I have been involved with, all I can say is that the materials behaved in extremely unexpected ways. Thick steel plate behaved like rubber sheet when filmed at 20,000 frames a second. Have no idea what wood & concrete would really behave like.

  • ZyloxZylox Posts: 787

    Serene Night said:

    PixelSploiting said:

    "Details

    Pirate's Cannons is an environment where the cannons are placed to be used in a war with other pirate ships in the middle of the sea. The place even has hammocks on it where pirates can rest.

    Add Pirate's Cannons to your library and set sail today!"

     

     I'm almost sure it was supposed to be ship interior. Going by the description alone.

    I don't read it that way. Cannons are made on land. Sure pirates can use them in ships in the middle of the sea,  but there is no indication at all this is intended to be a ship at sea. It's simply a storage area for cannons.

    Thus it could easily be a tower, a yard, a bastille somewhere else.

    While it could be any of those things you describe, according to the pictures it is long and narrow with gun ports and ocean on both sides. That seems more like a ship than a fortification to me. If you kitbashed it to cover the gun ports on one side, it could actually make a fairly good fortification interior - if you replaced the cannons with more accurate ones.

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    Mythbusters tested the splinter question but I cannot remember what the outcome was.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    jestmart said:

    Mythbusters tested the splinter question but I cannot remember what the outcome was.

    Deadly... wood splinters from the hull and the interior structure worked like shrapnell / grapeshot... surprise

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,058

    Don't forget that back in the days of wooden ships, an infection from a filthy wood splinter could kill you.

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