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Somehow for a working harness on a Centaur, I picture more of one that has the 2 shoulders straps so he can "put his back into it" as they say, using all his strength to pull a load. The waistband alone looks cute maybe for a light carriage but it is like, the weakest part of the spine. image search
I think if possible I would avoid the metal rings around the centaur. More in the style of a harness I think would be leather straps coming down from each side of the centaur human figure to meet at a "Y" junction in front of the centaur "horse" chest, with a single leather strap going under the centaur. Hope I am clear.
Yes, I understand your proposal. I like the idea too.
The actual last modified harness version for centaur is base upon a horse harness where all the effort is made with a breast collar. The belt around the hip has no effort, it is used to keep the breast collar in place. As far as I know, these kind of harness can be used for heavy work. Looking around the internet, some artists have designed such kind of harnesses for their centaur pictures. Of course, the effort can be human like, thinking of pulling the charge using the shoulders but here the centaur has a complete horse body with four legs.
Another point of vue is that I try to avoid using the Genesis Body part at the same time I've to fight with the horse body deformations. It costs already several hundreds of morphs for the harness placed around the horse body to keep all in place according the moves of the centaur.
Nevertheless, I keep your interresting idea in my notes. Thank you for posting and happy new year 2022 with plenty of good renders.
Picture joined : WIP of the actual centaur harness shape
Back to the horse harness; maybe a plow?
Excellent idea.
I use the bulkier centaur, Maxx ... Will this also work for him?
Yes, please! One could finally do realistic old-timey farm scenes! Oooh, this is getting better and better ...
I've not the bulkier centaur Maxx in my library but I'll find a tester for it in order to know if it work too.
Send it my way.
But if you think about it, a Centaurs "back", that he would be "putting into it" is the horse's back, not the human's back. If the harness were attached at the human's shoulders, then the stress point would be at the base of the spine where the human meets the horse, probably one of the weaker points on the human/horse hibrid. Hypothetically speeking of course.
The benefit of using slave centaur work (or paid?), I've been told, is that you could "command" the centaur with speech, negating the need for bridle and reigns... unless that is your kink of course. (no kink shaming here).
For forced labor centaur cart pullers, I dunno... I am sure RenderOxxx will have something up within a week of this product making it to Daz... no?
Yes he would be using the horse back, as well as his own back, leaning forward into the pull -- for pulling with 'all' of his strength.
{because yes, then we'd see some sweat and muscles rippling :-) }
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The one time we [yes I don't do this alone] communicated with somebody who in a previous life had been a centaur, I am not of the impression that they would likely co-operate along any domestic lines whatsoever. The 'herd' was males only. They were 'made' creatures, so were flying horses - although they didn't really fly, they could 'glide' -- great if one wanted to ride their horses over cliffs. Very impressive from below to see these flying horses in battle gear with their esteemed riders chasing whoever they were chasing. Their wings were not feathered but leathered. From [you'll love this] Pterodactyls. {and fact, yes, they did live during the days of people, there's an old photograph showing one with the hunters that had killed it. It's in one of those exasperating lists of photos where one has to keep clicking 'next'.]
All that is very interresting!
Just rediscovered this thread, and reading back through it, I vote against "humanizing" the harness, because of the exact reasons you cited. The amount of additional force a human torso could contribute to the horse body would be negligible, and would greatly increase the risk of strain and injury.
The story idea I mentioned earlier would involve a centaur-for-hire essentially acting as both horse and driver. If there's a human sitting where a driver would otherwise, they'd be acting as a navigator, or a posted archer to defend the centaur from highwaymen and whatnot.
Whatever happened to the horse harness? I don't see it in the store.
I agree this second version of harness seems more realistic. The first version is not padded properly relative to centaur waist and by shifting all the load to his lower body it would feel similar to you pulling a load at the your thighs. You may also want to consider an additional chest level harness attachment to help engage the core body. Think about when you pull something. You don't just pull with your legs. Your body leans forward and your chest and abdominals become in engaged in the process. I am not suggesting the upper body is carry a lot of the load just that pulling a load by any beast would benefit from full body engagement unless the load was very light and your originally post suggested this is a "work" harness.
It wouldn't feel like pulling a load with your thighs so much as it would feel like pulling a load with an entire horse. You seem to be thinking of centaurs as basically human, and they're not. Horses are much, much stronger than humans, and the horse part of a centaur would not only be far stronger than the human torso, but it would also give centaurs a very different center of gravity than humans. We definitely don't carry things on our backs because our backs are the strongest part of our body; it's primarily to balance the load over our legs. The reasons humans "put their back" into moving and lifting things wouldn't apply if their lower body were, again, an entire horse.
I thought I'd just been missing it. But I haven't seen any yet.
The harnesses are still on developpment. The fact is that the horse2 has several morphs and the harnesses should fit them too. At that moment, it is not harnesses for one horse but for multiple horses and it cost a longer time to developp. I still hope to get them ready this year. Get in touch on my facebook page for main progresses when any.
I see. Thanks for explaining. I don't mind that they're not finished...I just didn't want to miss them. LOL
Laurie
You know, I'd much, much rather have a good harness for the base version of the DAZ Horse in my library quite soon than many versions for all the possible morphs some at unknown point in time in the future ... Just FYI ...
3djoji - any news on the work harness for DAZ Horse 2
I second this inquiry.