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It's a sound plan. 3060 is a good card for tight wallets and cheapskates. Many of the available cards are overwrought - 3 fans, loads of aluminum, enhancements galore. They're completely overengineered. In a mesh case, they run cool and whisper quiet. Not bad at all!
Yes, an AMD alternative for DS would be most welcome! I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah, the 3060 (two fan version) looked so small compared to my previous 2070 Super. Not only was it about 40% shorter but also only double width as the 2070S was 2.7 wide.
Wasn't that much faster (with the current drivers) but faster rendering speed was not what I was after.
That's understandable. Don't know where you are in the world but Asus have been cutting prices on their cards lately and in the UK at least you can get an Asus 3080 12gb TUF model for 1000ukp. Still expensive but 300 less than the 3080ti cards are currently running at. It's a solid range of cards and reviews well but it lacks the flashy lights and ridiculous power limit of the more 'gamer' orientated cards.
Well put and one of the reasons I went with 128GB with the TITAN RTX. Total overhead with plenty left for just about any task I can throw at it.
The EVGA store has now dropped the price of one model of RTX3090 (24 GB) to $1699, which is pretty close to the original MSRP for that model, if I recall correctly.
awesome
A little update, if I can ..
I would like to combine my current GPU that is a M2000 framework to my next 3060.
This graphics card has 4 GB of 768 CUDA memory. If I could combine it, I would have a multi-gpu available, even if I don't know how to use it in Daz Studio unlike Blender.
I believe that I would also need a more powerful feeder, maybe from 750w ..
Why bother?
With only 4GB's of VRAM, it will be ignored most of the times. The scene has to fit the VRAM of all the used GPU's before they will participate in Iray rendering.
So it's not worth it?
No
I’m considering finally upgrading from my worthless 1080ti. Is the RTX 360 still the best bang for the buck? Does it matter what brand? I see Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, etc... Are they all the same?
In theory they are all the same, but I have found Asus to be the most reliable
This is my opinion based on the research I've done. From what I've seen in terms of comparisons, most any 3060 will run as well as a standard NVidia 3060. You start to see differences in cooling capacity and noise level as you move through the brands and models. Gigabyte and Asus 3-fan models are arguably the best to get because they have the manufacturer confidence and cooling capacity to support massive overclocking etc. It's not that you will or should overclock, but you do want to render and that can take time and tax the card. EVGA is also very good, and certainly worth buying. MSI is surprisingly maybe not the one to get. YMMV. Disclosure: I'm running an ASUS Rog Strix 3060. I can vouch for its quiet, cool, build quality, all that. It's pretty neat, especially for "just a 3060." I can't vouch for its ultimate longevity - I haven't had it long enough to do that. I expect I can run it for years, no problem. But end of the day, it's still "just a 3060."
The next step up, logically, for a DS user, is probably a 3080 ti. Some will say, "don't bother!" I don't agree with that assessment. It's still a very powerful card and generally less money than a 3090. By all accounts, the 3090 is great, but I agree with the 128GB crowd - That is, you can scrimp by with 64GB on a 3090; but depending on your scenes etc, you may not be able to fully utilize the 24GB of VRAM on the card or you may run out of RAM trying to do that. Either of those cards will also require more powerful PSU and also maybe more powerful CPU with possible increases to cooling capacity to keep everything under control. That all means more money than just the GPU upgrade.
Again, the above is the result of my research here and other places, except that I actually bought one of the cards I think is good. People may feel free to disagree, but I would watch carefully for signs of confirmation bias in any replies.
...what compression factor were you rendering at? I've has scenes that took around 4 GB of VRAM on my Titan-X which in system memory could use as much as as 14GB. I don't run any other software when rendering so only the OS (W7) and system functions would account for maybe 1 GB at most. As I do fiarly involved scenes in large format, I don't do a lot of optimising.save for using G2 figures for background characcters.and Matty Manx's Resource Saver Shaders for items/characters in the backgound.
If nothing else, it's wrong because 24x3 is only 72.
true, but can you get 72 GB of RAM tho? Closest I can get without going under would be
9680. If you are going with 4 matching RAM stick sizes, it's 32, 64, or 128.Took a peek, I'm sure unchanged: Medium 4096 High 8192
I could be wrong. It sounds like you loaded up plenty in Daz and outside it, and that 64GB has been enough. The next question would be, when is 64GB *not* enough? The only answer I found is, multiple graphics cards - more than one 3090. Also, I found 64GB is considered to be plenty for just about any not-iray 3D pursuit with a single 3090.
...I'm at Medium: 512 High: 1024.
That makes a difference in the RAM vs VRAM ratio.
When the textures are compressed more, they use less VRAM compared to amount of RAM used.
...I had it set higer but the final render quality seemed different.
Not much difference although Gigabyte have been having quality issues this gen, like loose power connectors on the Eagle cards and exploding power supplies. Depending on region Zotak do a five year warranty if you register the card. Might be worth checking if the manufacture has an RMA centre in your region as well. That said I tend to try and buy ASUS strix cards as they have overbuilt coolers and run quiet, haven't broke one yet. If I was buying now I'd look at an ASUS TUF card as they cost less than the Strix and would work just as well if not overclocking. Also make sure you have room in your case, some of these things are big.
I'm recently getting back into DS and I've managed to use 18GB of vram with 1024 med, 4098 high, HD stuff and subdivision with a couple of G8 figures, clothes, props and set and not run out of sys ram yet, have 32GB. I imagine if I was doing big scenes then I'd be having issues.
(ugh two more bad gatewway errors in less than 15 minutes)
...so what card do you have?
3090FE, sorry if your question was for someone else.
I am starting to see EVGA 3090s available for Sub -$1700 ... I am just waiting for that 3060 12gb card at under $400... and in stock
I got tired of waiting. It was enough already. In the end, it may turn out I spent $150 too much, and I don't care. Time matters, too.
..it was to your previous comment.
I'm running an old Titan-X and generally am in the 3x ratio of system memory to of VRAM at default compression. I also tend to create fairly involved scenes. I have only 24 GB of system memory (old hardware) and can easily reach about 18 GB on a 6 GB scene in VRAM. Again about the only "optimising" I do is using G2 characters and MM's Resource Saver Shaders for people/props in the background.
As I also work with 3DL (using Wowie's AweShader system) the higher the memory and CPU core count, the better..
...same here, On Monday I received a notice from EGVA that another RTX3060 XC was available for about 40$ less than I paid for one from them last October. At that time the 12 GB 3060 was going for between 750$ - 900$ and remembering 2016/17 it appeared prices would likely never come back down. I thought they said they closed taking requests for 3060s as well as should have realised I already purchased one and registered it as well..