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Well Iray is better in quallity than 3Delight as you can see in the galleries but I think it will have longer rendertimes.
Iray does for me now what I used to attempt in Blender with Cycles a while back. That's awesome, btw. However, I've since come to appreciate the abilities of the biased rendering approach, which is what game engines use. I'm fine with the fakery, so long as the results look pleasing. Now if only we could have near real time rendering using Direct X 12 in DAZ Studio...
So you'd do away with the Mac version of Studio?
Last time I owned a Mac, it ran System 7, lol! Ok, so there should also be an OpenGL option, too. I think that's what the Playstation 4 uses. Point is, 4k 60 fps gaming is on the horizon with the latest GPUs, so wouldn't it be nice to get in while the technology matures?
@ Morgan: Well shut my mouth! I don't know where I got this idea from, but I just tested this out and behold, shadow bias does do stuff when using raytrace. I thought raytracing, by definition, made shadow bias irrelivant.
hmm, I do not no exactly, that is what I was told.
Here is the scene that I have loaded yesterday and with which I was able to do renders and spotrenders. I load the scene tomorrow morning and do a spotrender and that was the result today: spot render after loading the scene without changing something.
oh no if you render with shadow on raytrace the shadow bias have a great incluence of the result the lower the value the more accurate is the shadow but it has influence of your rendertime.
to my post with the image, have cleared the scene and load the scene again, and now the same result as yesterday at the beginning, the timer runs and runs and runs and nothing happens.
I guess if I clear the scene again and load it a third time then everything will be okay, like yesterday.
Really, older studio versions also has had their problems, but nothing like that.
Timer is now at 11 minutes without a single rendered pixel.
As written, the same scene was okay yesterday and nothing has changed compared to yesterday except the date of the day. Just loaded the scene, first the error shown in the image I have uploaded and after a second load of the scene the timer thing I had yestderday at the beginning.
Spotrender canceld at timer : 13 minutes and no pixel renderd. The same scene renderd yesterday took just 2 minutes (progressive render of on) and the first pixel got renderd, now 13 minutes and nothing.
third try but it seems that it will be the same. That isn`t funny anymore. No 5 minutes rendertime without any pixel renderd. I will now close DS 4.8, open it again, load the scene and will have a look what happens doing a spotrender.
Same result timer is at 7 minutes now and nothing happens, render in % 0. As written, before saving the scene yesterday I have done a spotrender which is equal in all kinds with the spotrender I do right now, yesterday before saving the scene the spotrender took 5 minutes in whole, now it took 9. Same values, same lights, same rendersettings, same camera angle and values everything is equal.
It looks like you are not getting the brickyard correctly populated.
That's where the shaders that are compiled from ShaderMixer bricks (or other compiled at render time ones) are put. Interrupting the process can cause an incomplete or otherwise flawed shader to be there. After the first time rendered/spot render they will probably be reused, until the scene is cleared. That's one of the things slowing down that first time through.
Everytime you close Studio or clear the scene, those files are wiped, along with any 'optimized' images in the temp folder, any caches/shadowmaps/pointclouds/etc. All of that has to be generated BEFORE actual rendering will start...but since a lot of it is reused, renders AFTER the first one are faster...but that first one does have to be done, at a snail's pace.
Now as to what has changed that sometimes all of that seems to take forever...I have no idea. But it's NOT 3DL related. When dumping a scene to a RIB file for use in the standalone version of 3DL, the run of that file does all of those steps in a fraction of the time Studio does.
that is clear to me, but DAZ should think about their software or if they use other shaders for their products, so it is right now It is a kills nerves.
Well optimizing the images starts right after the scene is loaded, if you render or not does make no difference on that. So if you load the scene and wait some minutes every image should be optimized but the result for the rendertime is the same, it took to much time, so simple is that, I do not remember that with the old skin shaders such problem was caused even if you use elite human surface shader like I did. Sure also these shaders need more rendertime than normal shaders but not that much.
If that is correct what you w´have written, that means everytime you change your scene by loading another character into it you have to wait and wait and wait and wait...all that is a slow down and that is my criticism and in my opinion no improvement.
And...here it comes...a spotrender took 7-8 minutes, the next spotrender of the same area right in line to the first took 10 and nothing has changed. That I do not understand
I do not come close to the renderimtes I had yesterday, I am far away from them. yesterday 2 minutes until the actual render starts and now 7-8 and it seems that it does not matter how often you render. I do not reach the rendertimes from yesterday.
So enough for today whith G3F and G2M and stuff like this.
Optimizing images...the first time is done on scene loading...but change a shader/light then some will be reoptimized. Also, for things like adding another model...it usually doesn't redo everything, just what's added. But major light or shader changes can trigger a complete redo (so can switching to a scripted render).
As to the wild swings in times...there has to be something else going on, because I don't see that. It's usually long wait for the first time...shorter after that and consistant.
One thing I did notice, with this version of Studio...it drops to single threaded mode for some things. So on a 4 processor core system, that means it's only using 1/4 of what it can/should be using...which probably translates to taking 3 or 4 times as long as it should.
hmm, well, I cleared the scene and now load my V4 Dixie character with the elite human surface shader, that will work much better. Don`t want to spend more nerves on this right now, maybe next week or if I have a new machine, maybe next year or never.
The thing is everytime you have changed something in hope you optimized your rendertime a bit you have to wait and wait and wait to see if the result is better, minutes after minutes and in whole hours after hours and for that I have no time.
have to wait anyway, right now there are not enough clothes out there for GF3 or G2F that I like, same to the hair and the converters...well.
ha, same light, camera and rendersettings on v4 with elite human surface shader and natasha elite skin, rendertime 2.5 minutes first spotrender compared to g3f no matter what skin (everytime the same with the skins I have) up to 10 minutes or more until somethings happens (render then not finished) for the first render with the same settings.
Is it easy to change the shaders?
second spotrender of the same area less than 2 minutes and...as written with the equal settings using on g3f and the elite skins are also really good and high detailed.
So an shader issue with the new generation figures.
Had you zeroed the HD morphs of G3F?
Granted it's a small image...but I ran this in just under 3 minutes...
No, because yesterday I also have used some and that was no problem.
as written, it was a saved scene that I have just loaded nothing else, I totally have no clue.
So, Scene loaded, all HD morphs at zero, no HD texture as I know and the pre render calculation for g3f takes 15 minutes at that time and is still running whithout any pixel rendered. I post an image I have rendered today with a V4.2 character and elite human surface shader + trans maps and reflection in the scene and shadow bias at 0.1, this render tooks in whole 14 minutes to render. Same lights and render settings I also use on G3F, rendered both in 3Delight
Is it easy to kick the AoA shader into the trash can and apply the elite human surface shader?
first try to render 18 minutes than closed the render
and start a second try that took 4 minutes
a third try it took 3 minutes
that I do not understand. Any answer?
other question, is it possible to convert also the m4 genital texture to g2m genitals?