Underrepresented Styles, Themes, Eras
chevybabe25
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Just as the title says. Im wondering what interests you all the most, and what you really cant find in the store. :)
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Under- rather than un- would be north Africa and Latin America in general. Regency isn't that well served, though we do hav a few dresses, and anything post-medieval up to then is almost totally absent (piratey stuff aside). Those are all things I have wanted fairly often, though it's too broad a list to be really useful.
I'm waiting for more hair from you!! Don't tell me that Feisty Feather Bun Hair didn't do well and more are NOT on the way!!
Quality mountain man, native american clothing and props (last of the mohicans era clothing) with lots of options for kitbashing.
Along those lines that era military clothing also (British/French).
I'd like to see a detailed hunting and/or fishing themed package. Realistic clothing and equipment options.
I also need a realistic looking moose and Elk (male and female)
Realistic under water scenes/lighting/caustics. I have seen most of what is in the store and own many and they either don't look realistic or are next to impossoible to set up/tweak.
New, realistuic WW2 clothing, especially the german soldiers (the best now are made for M4) and other nations
of course we all want more Pirate and Egyptian content, LMAO!
I'm always on the lookout for era-appropriate material that would fall in the WWI through WWII timeframe, including Depression era - especially attire, hairstyle, settings, props, that would be appropriate for the more disadvantaged populations. (Two world wars plus widespread economic and political instability means a lot of displaced, broke, desperate people.) I get that's going to be under-represented, because I expect that's probably a market of me and like two other people.
Lol there is another one on the way Michael, this one may take more time to get through though, as it has some fancy shmancy things going on with it.
There are lots of cool ideas in here I would have never thought of. This thread isnt just for me but any PAS looking for ideas, so keep em coming :)
I also want to note that I believe there are a lot rules (not necessarily Daz btw) about Native American content. Dont quote me on this, but I *think* thats why there is a lack of it in the store.
Biblical times. I have everything in the store for G8 that fits the bill there, but I'd love more options. I'm animating a show for a network that are all smaller Bible stories and every new story I struggle to make things not look completely the same. The first episode of three stories premiered two weeks ago! I'm getting ready to start on the next one.
I struggle to find anything to do with Pirates.....
Sorry, I really want a Dr's Coat (Lab Coat) G8 or G9
When I worked in infectious disease, I would have killed for accurate African, Asian, and indigenous American models and clothes. All of these areas are bigger and more diverse than Europe but while the European contingent can get characters that are Irish or Greek, or Swedish, there doesn't seem to be any characters that represent the difference between West Africans, and East Africans (West Africans are genetically closer to Europeans than East Africans) or Northern Asians versus South East Asian people. Likewise, accurate details are always appreciated; I love the Rowhouse's version of an African headdress because it contains real details of real African clothing for all of its fantasy. I find that I appreciate when people get the details right of real anthropological elements in the same way people in the forum complain about fantasy women's armor or the placement of military detail. You will never go wrong doing proper research and providing quality.
Separately, I would love some accurate Renaissance clothing especially the Dutch Golden Age.
The problem with these threads, at least for me, is that I always eshuffle my ideas - having made the first post I've now thought of Art Nouveau, Art Deco and Noir, and the sixties/early seventies (especially the mod style - like the non-catsuit outfits from the Avengers, for example)
Well made, contemporary uniforms and professional workwear. The kind of stuff that would work for corporate/government training packages (so no sexy, no fantasy). Also, generic enough that they don't look from a particular country/state. Police, paramedics, doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, scientists, engineers, construction workers, trades, pilots, cleaners etc.
Some examples like: https://www.daz3d.com/worker-uniform-outfit-for-genesis-9-texture-add-on, https://www.daz3d.com/mi-modern-military-combat-uniform-bundle
Sometimes I wonder if it’s simply impossibly to do good clothes in DAZ, i.e good seams, fabric weight and texture, simulation etc but I do occasionally come across some really well made pieces and wonder why we can’t have more of it. (Is it only because of low return on investment? I know Marvelous Designer is challenging, I can use it but my pattern making skills are limited.)
I have always wished for a environment/hdri set based on Maxfield Parrish. I am thinking columns, stairs, temples, rocky outcroppings, vases, lanterns, and highly saturated hdri's with billowing clouds.
Prepare to get as many answers as there are themes, lol.
I personally like fantasy/sci-fi versions of otherwise historical themes - so magic-kung-fu like the old Chinese tv/movies (though there is some stuff for that, or at least that can be kit-bashed); sci-fi persian empire; Chinese/East-asian-in-general steampunk-ish;
More real-world cultures that are less represented include Polynesian and Aboriginal Australian and Torres Strait Islander (though make note that not everything from them can be 'up for grabs' respectfully. So, for example, an Aboriginal Australian character would be fine (though not one based to look like a specific person, especially if they're deceased), whereas certain artwork and totems are considered sacred. When we wanted a crocodile design on our school polo shirts, we needed to seek permission from Larrakiah elders (which we got, and the seeking of permission was appreciated as a sign of respect)).
I'm always looking for products that are period-accurate, products that represent everyday individuals, places and things, and products that make sense.
I very much would like more buildings and interiors in the Art Moderne/Streamline Moderne and Midcentury Modern styles, although anything from the Renaissance up to the early sixties is always appreciated. Period-accurate hairstyles belonging to those eras would be awesome, but especially hair from the hairspray era. Beehives and tall updos, please! Modest, common person, period-accurate clothing and headwear from those eras would be very much appreciated as well. Not sexy or fantasy clothing, but the kind of clothing you can use when you're populating a scene with a group of people on the street or in the workplace. Palladian, Georgian, and Neoclassical architectural styles are also underrepresented, as is the Industrial Revolution. There's plenty of steampunk, but not a lot to accurately represent the Industrial Revolution era in terms of interiors and clothing. I'd like to second @sid regarding uniforms and workwear. There's also a lack of functioning factory interiors and machinery. The "classy" era in fashion is also underrepresented. Too much sexy, not enough elegant. I'd also like a decent classic set of pearls, double or triple strand with a modest jeweled clasp worn with the clasp in front. slightly to the side. Period-accurate footwear such as kitten heels, spats, patterns, historically accurate platforms, etc. are lacking as well. There is a lack of heavy winter clothing as would be worn in very cold winter climates, and also things like snowblowers, balaclavas, snow scrapers, etc. Culturally accurate characters and clothing are also very much appreciated. As @nemesis10 stated, there are very visible differences between people in different parts of Asia and Africa, as well as other parts of the world.
I'll think of more LOL
Like many others who've already commented, I'd love more multi-cultural and historical content.
I do book covers for an author writing African fantasy, so I'd really love more stuff I could use for that project. The vast majority of clothing items in the store are Egyptian, and more sub-Saharan items would be awesome! Maybe some updated kente clothing for G8 or G9? The only ones in the store are for Victoria 3. Oh, and more headdresses and hairwraps would be lovely too. I am greatful to Sade for making the Colorful Fabric Shaders pack -- that helps a lot, since I can rework other items for Sub-Saharan Africa.
The historical periods I'm interested in are mostly 1800 to 1930 Europe and Americas, so Western, Steampunk, Victorian, Regency, Roaring 20s, Edwardian, Gilded Age, etc. I'm not sure that any of those areas are particuarly lacking in the DAZ store, although right now there's not a ton for G9 (especially male outfits!). But that will change in time. Working class outfits for 1800 - 1900 are underserved. I love the Vintage Nurse dress, since it's very flexible and doesn't look like the wearer is in the middle of a gala.
I'd be another who'd appreciate more Native American type clothing. I'd also be fine with something generic like the Mountain Trapper outfit by Meshitup. I like that outfit a lot!
I like the hobby props from SilviaAnt3D a lot, although I could use more items that could fit into my historical periods. More historical musical instruments please! Merlin Studios has some great industry props that I could use for my time periods. A weaver's workshop would be great (with a loom!). I'd still love more historical arts type props, so I do a historical painter or sculpter's workshop. A sculpting prop pack would be cool and would go well with the existing "turn G8/9/whatever into a statue" kits.
I'd like more post-medieval horse drawn transport where there's actually a harness that attatches the horse to the cart. I'm honestly suprised we don't have more in the way of fancy carriages fit for Cinderella!
Those are the areas where I'm most likely to buy an item the day it lands in the store. I've narrowed down my focus areas a lot and have become pickier with what I buy. I've already got so much G8 content that I don't often use.
Oh, and lastly, I think the wheelchair options in the DAZ store are the sports wheelchair and a hospital push wheelchair? I don't think I've seen a motorized wheelchair.
@benniewoodell Sounds promising. What's the name of this series, and where can it be found?
@xyero thank you for asking! The show is called RebbeTales and aired on JLTV. If you don't have cable or satellite, you can watch the network free on their website. I know they're going to show it again sometime very soon, I just don't know when. We're figuring out what to do with the next one right now. I have one story animated already, just waiting to see what they want me to do for the other half of the episode. It's fascinating for me to watch as when I started doing these, I hadn't taken classes through Animation Mentor yet and I can see the progression of my animation skills throughout the four stories I've animated thus far as I've gone through four of the six classes. If you happen to come across it and check it out, I sincerely hope you enjoy it.
+1 for Native American clothing - pre-modern era authentic Native American clothing. Last we got any, authentic or not, was in the V4 days. Now that it's rather easy to create Native American characters, I'd like clothing to match them ;)
1920's flapper type clothing, Erte style fashions, zoot suit for the guys, and since you're a master with hair, how about a hairstyle with a snood? :)
@benniewoodell Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard of this or Animation Mentor. I'll keep on eye on the schedule. Chag Sukkot Sameach!
Time frame 1850-1950, american and european, clothing, props, environments for the ones that were not born with a golden spoon in their mouths.
Should be maybe a series that one could build scenes that look like they belong to the same universe.
more Eastern European clothing from various eras would be nice
yes I know my example is AI
but the sort of look I like
I couldn't agree more. When it comes to their own ethnicities, Daz is careful to be accurate; the others are more or less thrown into the same pot. Africa = dark skin, curly hair, full lips - one fits all. I think you can tell West Africans very well from East Africans, and the latter from South Africans; they just look completely different. I can even tell with some accuracy if someone is from 'our' area - that is, from my husband's homeland in West Africa - but of course you don't need to go that far. I don't want to deny that Daz nevertheless offers very good Black characters.
Well researched Native American (North, Central and South) themes and characters, and also the Dutch Golden Age would be highly welcome!
+1! What a lovely picture! Yes, historical Eastern European dresses and themes would be very good.
Thanks for asking, what a cool thread idea!
I wholeheartedly second the requests made here for accurate historical clothing, esp. of European Victorian / Edwardian times - it would be really, really great in this respect if artists would look at the silhouettes of the periods beforehand and come up with the appropriate corset / stays morphs for the chest, waist and hip area! Because the sweetest and most well-made garment won't look anything like authentic for these times if it just hangs loosely about the woman's frame like a modern day t-shirt. I'm also more interested in 'middle class', everyday clothes than either fancy schmancy or dirt poor - just something ordinary for the period, that can be up- or downgraded.
The second thing I'm sorely missing is accurate period hairstyles, again, not fancy ball up-dos or straggly waif types, but middling, everyday styles. Of all periods from medieval to 1950s really. There's sooooo few of them! With middle partings for example, and short side curls, like Early Victorian, or just normal, everyday styles from the 1930s and 40s. We usually get modern day shampoo commercial hairs instead, or over-the-top steampunky or fantasy coiffures. Some can be adapted, but with pains, and it would be so much nicer to have something that really fits the bill from the start.
The hairs could probably be made to morph from one period into the next or even afterwards, since the styles develop slowly, and there are some really consistent basics throughout longer periods of time - like the base 'middle parting, bun in back, and then do something with bangs' variety. One could use that up to the 1920s, and then switch to an open style with marcel waves which can be shortened or lengthened ... Ooooh, that would be such a dream come true ...
There are really two questions there. One explicit & one implicit.
My answer to the explicit question is: Victorian era, particularly non Steam-Punk working class industrial city dwellers: workers, slum families and their dwellings are terribly under represented.
The implicit question is '.. that you would use & buy?'. To that, I have one definite answer - I really have no interest in modelling Victorian Industrial Working Class environments, because they're horrible, dirty & unpleasant. People who got out of the slums to join the British Army had a higher survival rate in the trenches of WW1 than in the contemporary slums (25% death rate in the slums age 16-21 compared to 10% death rate in the 4 years war in the trenches - so the ridiculous conclusion is that the trenches were safer than the slums).
Right, what would I buy that's under represented? Possibly Regency. But I have such a small budget that I really don't think I could commit.
Regards,
Richard
This website is a treasure trove of historical images and photos from the beginning of the Victorian era through to the 1990s on its fashion history pages. Each era has pages on fashion, hair, and makeup styles of the day. There are also pages for workout/sports wear, workwear, footwear, and some on historical African American fashion styles, From 1920 on, it's sorted by decade.
https://vintagedancer.com/
In women's clothing, there is a lack of house dresses, smocks, aprons, and appropriate head coverings. I don't mean "naughty housewife" clothing, but rather the utilitarian housework attire housewives wore to protect their clothing and hair from getting soiled. Even in the 70s when I was still a chilld, almost every adult woman I knew wore these items when cooking or doing chores.
There is also a lack of tool belts, safety harnesses, etc.
Also, 1970's gear - hair curlers, shower caps, swimming caps, dangerous collar points, kipper ties.
Regards,
Richard
This may sound strange, but western/pioneer themed items. While there is a lot of western themed items in the store, there are two things which are lacking. First, a pioneer style prairie dress with a bonnet and pinafore/apron, similar to those on the show Little House on the Prairie. There are plenty of skimpy and sexy female outfits, but none appropriate for pioneer women and girls. I would prefer one made for G8F or G3F as I don't use Genesis 9. Perhaps versions made for both G8 and G9?
Second is a good western farm wagon which can be maade into a covered wagon. Most of the wagons in the store are medieval or very old and don'tt have harnesses for the more recent horses. I would suggest harnesses for two and four lorez horse 2. Harnesses for Noggin's bull and Daz horse 2 would also be very welcome. Another option would be making the wagon compatible with existing harnesses, such as those on the Medieval Wagon, Four-Wheeled Cart for LoRez Horse 2, or Horse-Drawn Carriage for Horse 2.
I'm seconding what Zylox said! Especially the bit about the prarie dress.
+1
On the historical farm theme, a Red River Cart would really be appreciated. Also, horse or cattle drawn ploughs, as well as augers, and other such equipment would be nice. And absolutely yes to pinafores and long aprons.
Hello,
No convincing Tudor dress despite several beautiful headdresses. Same for men I would like a costume like the one Henry VIII wears in the portrait by Hans Holbein.
The modeling seems very complex, but even a simpler version would be welcome.