Underrepresented Styles, Themes, Eras

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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,343
    Modern realistic sports uniforms and gear, like baseball uniforms with batting helmets and catcher's gear, hockey, American football, male and female gymnastics, (non professional wrestling headgear, and other modern realistic sporting clothes and gear for non-uniform sports like golf and tennis.
  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,146

    paulawp (marahzen) said:

    I'm always on the lookout for era-appropriate material that would fall in the WWI through WWII timeframe, including Depression era - especially attire, hairstyle, settings, props, that would be appropriate for the more disadvantaged populations. (Two world wars plus widespread economic and political instability means a lot of displaced, broke, desperate people.) I get that's going to be under-represented, because I expect that's probably a market of me and like two other people. smiley 

    I'm one of them. I want to see depression era working class - the people who built the skyscrapers and tunnels in and around New York - and the people who made the steel, and the women they were married to. The clothing, props, and environments; the characters - for the most part ethnic Italian, Irish, and Mohawk indians.

  • +1 to sub-Saharan African items - clothes, environments, more animals, whatever you've got. And I would love some decent realistic-looking Black hair for G9. Modern clothes that aren't skimpwear, and that don't have exposed stomachs would be nice. 

  • BrashFinkBrashFink Posts: 98
    edited September 2023

    sid said:

    Well made, contemporary uniforms and professional workwear. The kind of stuff that would work for corporate/government training packages (so no sexy, no fantasy). 

    Amen

    Post edited by BrashFink on
  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,120

    I agree with everyone's suggestions and have some additional comments as well.

    Native Americans (or any ethnic group) - Don't lump them into one representation, but instead look at the varied tribal nations and do themed sets: morph packs, texture sets. hair, clothings, props, buildings, religion, environments, and weapons. For example, the Tillamook were very different from the Navajo, the Crow, the Aztec, the Cherokee or ... The same could be said for any group in Africa or Asia that got lumped together in an artificial political country construct. Then take the historical representation of those people and do the same for how they live in the world today or maybe in the future, like in Afro Futurism. But always with an eye to a respectful and honest representation.

    Take the modern Middle East, it seems to be a mixture of modern and ancient all mixed up today. So a blend of old and new buildings, clothing that respects cultural norms and laws, varied technologies, and militaries. 

    And I vote for real clothing a man or woman or child might have worn in any historical period. I have photos of my great grandparents and grandparents take at the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries and they were covered up, neck to toes. Even a niece, who was a child was in a dress below her knees, wore black stockings and boots. They were standing on the steps of their cabin in the southeast United States in the woods. My grandmother was in a long, gathered skirt, and a long-sleeved blouse with a high neck. 

    There is one person who posted requesting an American normal, small town in Product Suggestions and that generated a LOT of interest. What is in the DAZ store is pretty old. And not all small towns look alike, SW vs MW vs NE vs SE all have different looks because of different climates. But if a PA could take that on as a series, a normal small town that is modular. And then bits can be used for others sets. Then maybe more normal homes, like Collective 3D did, for the MidWest. Someone else could do this for the somewhere in Europe, South America, Japan (this also was a request, real homes), Australia... or even a future town say a hundred years from now, where water is precious, solar & wind power is harvested, and more of the world lives in green places, not a dystopian hellscape.

  • csaacsaa Posts: 824

    memcneil70 said:

    ... or even a future town say a hundred years from now, where water is precious, solar & wind power is harvested, and more of the world lives in green places, not a dystopian hellscape.

    Solarpunk theme. It's been requested before in other posts; the comment above calls for a follow up.

    Aside from this, more attire grounded in tradition, history and reality brought up to date for the recent Genesis figures. Less eye candy.

    Cheers!

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,755

    memcneil70 said:

    I agree with everyone's suggestions and have some additional comments as well.

    Native Americans (or any ethnic group) - Don't lump them into one representation, but instead look at the varied tribal nations and do themed sets: morph packs, texture sets. hair, clothings, props, buildings, religion, environments, and weapons. For example, the Tillamook were very different from the Navajo, the Crow, the Aztec, the Cherokee or ... The same could be said for any group in Africa or Asia that got lumped together in an artificial political country construct. Then take the historical representation of those people and do the same for how they live in the world today or maybe in the future, like in Afro Futurism. But always with an eye to a respectful and honest representation.

    While I am all for that also, I doubt there enough customers to make having such small, specific niche tribal categories beneficial (financially) to any PA who is interested in making such themed sets unless they are truly passionate about such a project.

  • kwerkxkwerkx Posts: 105

    Something mentioned in another thread is multi-look hair.. period accurate might be as simple as messy & combed, in a modern sense messy, utility, & night out.. just so it look like the same hair made up different ways.. if that makes sense.

    Here's a wierd one.. period accurate clutter.  Little detail peices in an otherwise sterile scene.. open pack of cigarettes.. junk mail, empty Amazonian envelops/boxes.. period accurate maybe a satchel draped over a chair.. gloves.. work boots by the door.. catalogs.. coat rack w/ coats etc.  Might just be me.. my renders feel too clean.. I mean you walk into a hotel room and bam hotel key and a wad of receipts go on the counter.. at minimum.  

     

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    FSMCDesigns said:

    memcneil70 said:

    I agree with everyone's suggestions and have some additional comments as well.

    Native Americans (or any ethnic group) - Don't lump them into one representation, but instead look at the varied tribal nations and do themed sets: morph packs, texture sets. hair, clothings, props, buildings, religion, environments, and weapons. For example, the Tillamook were very different from the Navajo, the Crow, the Aztec, the Cherokee or ... The same could be said for any group in Africa or Asia that got lumped together in an artificial political country construct. Then take the historical representation of those people and do the same for how they live in the world today or maybe in the future, like in Afro Futurism. But always with an eye to a respectful and honest representation.

    While I am all for that also, I doubt there enough customers to make having such small, specific niche tribal categories beneficial (financially) to any PA who is interested in making such themed sets unless they are truly passionate about such a project.

    Therefore we'll probably get the Sioux-type wear with the large headresses and fringes...lol. I'm ok with that, so long as they look authentic and not too "clean" :P 

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,458

    Lledeline said:

    Hello,

    No convincing Tudor dress despite several beautiful headdresses. Same for men I would like a costume like the one Henry VIII wears in the portrait by Hans Holbein. 

     The modeling seems very complex, but even a simpler version would be welcome.

    +1! 

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,120

    AllenArt said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    memcneil70 said:

    I agree with everyone's suggestions and have some additional comments as well.

    Native Americans (or any ethnic group) - Don't lump them into one representation, but instead look at the varied tribal nations and do themed sets: morph packs, texture sets. hair, clothings, props, buildings, religion, environments, and weapons. For example, the Tillamook were very different from the Navajo, the Crow, the Aztec, the Cherokee or ... The same could be said for any group in Africa or Asia that got lumped together in an artificial political country construct. Then take the historical representation of those people and do the same for how they live in the world today or maybe in the future, like in Afro Futurism. But always with an eye to a respectful and honest representation.

    While I am all for that also, I doubt there enough customers to make having such small, specific niche tribal categories beneficial (financially) to any PA who is interested in making such themed sets unless they are truly passionate about such a project.

    Therefore we'll probably get the Sioux-type wear with the large headresses and fringes...lol. I'm ok with that, so long as they look authentic and not too "clean" :P 

    My post was only to express some of the frustration that I have read from others over one tribal group being selected to represent all the tribal groups across North America when there were so many different ones. Unfortunately to discuss this in detail would take me into conflict with the forum rules and let's don't go there. I just put this out there so a PA could think it about it and possibly consider other tribal groups besides the one regurgitated in media. And if I could add to that, it would be lovely is someone looked at the clothing worn at modern pow wow gathering of the Nations

    Mary

  • I mentioned this earlier on in this thread, but I think some of you didnt see it sneak in.  I believe there are a lot of strict rules that revolve around Native American stuff.  This is most likely why you don't see it in the store.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    A couple of years back, there was a comment by the Sámi people (Indigenous people in Finland) in the finnish media, as non-Sámi people in social media were shouting 'cultural appropriation' for just about anything and it caused problems in souvenir sales up north, as nobody dared to buy anything from the Sámi people anymore in fear of being despised for it.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,064
    edited September 2023

    BrashFink said:

    sid said:

    Well made, contemporary uniforms and professional workwear. The kind of stuff that would work for corporate/government training packages (so no sexy, no fantasy). 

    Amen

    Yes! By all means no NSFW work uniforms like we see all the time. I want the normal plain Jane work clothing from the warehouse worker, factory worker, office worker, normal everyday wear and such.

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • What I would be most likely to purchase:

    1. Ancient Roman, Greek, or Egyptian interiors.  Habitable domestic spaces, rather than temples and tombs.

    2. 18th- and 19th-century interiors.  Again, I'm much more likely to buy a room like a scullery or bedroom than a large front entry or a ballroom.  We already have enough of those.

    (In general, I think there is a practicality problem with Daz interiors, in the sense that it's difficult to render the same character(s) going through some semblance of life, rather than just one-off renders, because it's so difficult and time-consuming to kitbash or wholly construct environments which, for me, are just backgrounds.  Disproportionate use of time.)

    3. Practical undergarments (rather than sexy lingerie) for any culture or period.  Again, I suppose it's part of a habitable world.

     

  • frank0314 said:

    BrashFink said:

    sid said:

    Well made, contemporary uniforms and professional workwear. The kind of stuff that would work for corporate/government training packages (so no sexy, no fantasy). 

    Amen

    Yes! By all means no NSFW work uniforms like we see all the time. I want the normal plain Jane work clothing from the warehouse worker, factory worker, office worker, normal everyday wear and such.

    +1 yes 

  • WW1 WW2 tommies i know there is an older set elsewhere but would like to see  a new set for the current figures

    Regency hairstyles, clothes and turbans

    A victorian mans dress suit think Jeremy Bret sherlock holmes

    Just saying

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited September 2023

    I would like 60s era California Beachwear and accessories. Like on the Sally Field Show Gidget. Or those beach movies, many with Elvis Presley. Or on the Patty Duke Show. Though also in their dress, slack sets,, suits, and casual wear too if you need more product material

    But true to form, function, colors, textures, and patterns.

    Such clothing has the added benefit of not looking out of place in any of the decades that follow the 60s.  

    Post edited by nonesuch00 on
  • johnjohn808johnjohn808 Posts: 170
    edited September 2023

    Personally, since most of my scenes happen at home indoors,

    I would buy hair that is a real everyday hairstyle.

    Like how women wear their hair at home doing chores.

    Nothing fancy, glamourous or wierd bright colors.

    EDIT: I forgot.....G8/8.1 compatapility. 

    I don't forsee switching to or even using G9

     

    Post edited by johnjohn808 on
  • DamselDamsel Posts: 384

    I am in desperate need of a police uniform for my Gen. 9 romance hero cop. I converted a police uniform for Gen. 8 female that is a prertty good uniform. but the badge deformed all to hell, since the guy is built like Captain America and Gen. 8 F is... NOT. Plus there's this weird croth bulge that... Yeah, no. I can probably use mesh grabber to fix that, but I havn't used that in a while.

    I would much rather have a Gen 9 cop uniform. Plleeeease!! There's a Swat tactical uniform, but this guy is a small town cop, and SWAT gear doesn't really work for him.

    :/

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,058

    ...well being that I have stopped at purchasing character content at G8 (not even interested in 8.1) my suggestions on threads like these are limited to props, structures, and vehicles.

    One issue I would like to see addressed is the fact there are not enough RH drive vehicles available . Not everything is set on the continent or in The States (Japan for example drives on the left hand side of the road like in the UK and Australia, as does Hong Kong, India, and Indonesia to name a few).

    I know that you can just set the general scale slider to -100, but that reverses other details as well such as engine, letters/numbers on the instrument panel, licence plates, and any lettering on the exterior.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,808

    I would love to see hominin characters that match the current scientific ideas around what they would have looked like (like the illustrations by the Kennis brothers), and models of various types of stone axes etc (Olduvai style, Acheulian etc.), and clothing/furs to go with them.

  • Historically accurate fishwives and fisher men are missing. I'd like something besides pirates in images with the sea.

  • Fisher folk would be great! I'd love more "ordinary people" historical content like that.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,581
    edited September 2023

    chevybabe25 said:

    I mentioned this earlier on in this thread, but I think some of you didnt see it sneak in.  I believe there are a lot of strict rules that revolve around Native American stuff.  This is most likely why you don't see it in the store.

    I had to google this and I think it's actually federal law. Look up "The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990" and check out those penalties. surprise I think that's deterent enough for no Native American characters or clothing/props to be created. And if you saw these items in a store in the past, they were playing with fire wink As a artist you probably should be wary of doing these renders and saying it's of Native Americans unless you belong to one of the tribes.

    Post edited by Male-M3dia on
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Arts_and_Crafts_Act_of_1990

    The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-644) is a truth-in-advertising law which prohibits misrepresentation in marketing of American Indian or Alaska Native arts and crafts products within the United States

    As I see it, the act forbids anyone from claiming that what they did, was made by native americans unless they actually were native americans..

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,581
    edited September 2023

    PerttiA said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Arts_and_Crafts_Act_of_1990

    The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-644) is a truth-in-advertising law which prohibits misrepresentation in marketing of American Indian or Alaska Native arts and crafts products within the United States

    As I see it, the act forbids anyone from claiming that what they did, was made by native americans unless they actually were native americans..

    Not only what they did, but what it is. So saying pottery, outfits, or a character is a native american or from or represents a particular tribe is prohibited.

    EDIT: But seeing how people interpret this is reason enough to steer clear, because there's too much grey area, thus the strict rules.

    Post edited by Male-M3dia on
  • In my humble opinion, the law does not prevent non-Indians from selling products with characteristics of Indian art.  They just cannot claim that said art is produced by Indians if it does not meet the requirements of the law. It seems to me that the intent of the law is to protect the market for products produced by these tribes against unfair competition.  But I agree that it may be safer to avoid this type of products to avoid unnecessary conflicts.

    CFR-2015-title25-vol2-part309.pdf (govinfo.gov)

    § 309.9 When can non-Indians make and sell products in the style of Indian arts and crafts? A non-Indian can make and sell products in the style of Indian art or craft products only if the non-Indian or other seller does not falsely suggest to consumers that the products have been made by an Indian
    [68 FR 35170, June 12, 2003

    Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990 | U.S. Department of the Interior (doi.gov)

    SEC. 105. CAUSE OF ACTION FOR MISREPRESENTATION OF INDIAN PRODUCED GOODS AND PRODUCTS.
    The Act entitled `An Act to promote the development of Indian arts and crafts and to create a board to assist therein, and for other purposes' (25 U.S.C. 305 et seq.) (as amended by section 3) is further amended by adding at the end of the following:
    `SEC. 6. (a) A person specified in subsection (c) may, in a civil action in a court of competent jurisdiction, bring an action against a person who offers or displays for sale or sells a good, with or without a Government trademark, in a manner that falsely suggests it is Indian produced, an Indian product, or the product of a particular Indian or Indian tribe or Indian arts and crafts organization, resident within the United States, to--

     

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,755

    Male-M3dia said:

    chevybabe25 said:

    I mentioned this earlier on in this thread, but I think some of you didnt see it sneak in.  I believe there are a lot of strict rules that revolve around Native American stuff.  This is most likely why you don't see it in the store.

    I had to google this and I think it's actually federal law. Look up "The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990" and check out those penalties. surprise I think that's deterent enough for no Native American characters or clothing/props to be created. And if you saw these items in a store in the past, they were playing with fire wink As a artist you probably should be wary of doing these renders and saying it's of Native Americans unless you belong to one of the tribes.

    Nice! Time to start making lots of Native American art with what I do have!!! 

    Seriously, how is 3D art any different than actual artists that paint and sculpt depictions of Native Americans like Howard Terpning, John Coleman, or Charles M. Russell?? My great grandmother was full blood Cherokee which gives me benefits from the Cherokee Nation, maybe I should ask them if it's ok to create Native American 3D art angry

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,424

    FSMCDesigns said:

    Male-M3dia said:

    chevybabe25 said:

    I mentioned this earlier on in this thread, but I think some of you didnt see it sneak in.  I believe there are a lot of strict rules that revolve around Native American stuff.  This is most likely why you don't see it in the store.

    I had to google this and I think it's actually federal law. Look up "The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990" and check out those penalties. surprise I think that's deterent enough for no Native American characters or clothing/props to be created. And if you saw these items in a store in the past, they were playing with fire wink As a artist you probably should be wary of doing these renders and saying it's of Native Americans unless you belong to one of the tribes.

    Nice! Time to start making lots of Native American art with what I do have!!! 

    Seriously, how is 3D art any different than actual artists that paint and sculpt depictions of Native Americans like Howard Terpning, John Coleman, or Charles M. Russell?? My great grandmother was full blood Cherokee which gives me benefits from the Cherokee Nation, maybe I should ask them if it's ok to create Native American 3D art angry

    The short answer is this law is not intended toward 3d art. You wouldn't be creating art as the official agent of the Cherokee nation or trying to sell it as an authentic artifact.

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