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..nice, where did you find the organ?
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It's kind of cool, I remade the mats though, and only the whites are rigged.
The band frontcam
...hmm I have that set.
Would love to see someone come out with both an accurate B-3 (including Leslie cabinet) and classic pipe organ. Of course still waiting on an accurate 9' concert grand piano with a fully modelled frame and strings.
Agreed, would be an instant buy!
M4/AoA render:
Ah, finlandssvenskar, I see now =) I've always envied the way Northern European countries seem to combine folk traditions and technological progress.
Hard to say, AoA Ambient is just occlusion, it should be pretty fast.
Flag, you mean so that they don't contribute to the fog? Have you tried the "flag by intensity percent" setting? You can set the intensity sliders the same to get them picked up by the fog and use intensity scale to vary their actual intensities.
That's because you cannot turn down the volumetric quality in the raytracer - it's ignored and always rendered at the highest.
Since you're using AO and not bounce, you could try a raytrace depth of 1 and see if you get any difference in how reflections look. Unless they reflect each other, shouldn't look that different. Not sure ray depth doesn't get pruned internally for occlusion-only lights, but in case it doesn't, it may help in theory.
See if you could deal with 4x4 pixel samples. This will definitely shave off some render time.
I've wondered why you have a Finnish user name, but then again you are apparently not that far away from where I live.
Any Finnish connections?
Yep I've flagged the front (AoA) spots so only they trig the fog effect, thanks for the tip on intensity scale but I don't think they have that option so have to use color maybe to change the intensity?
Dz shader spotlights have intensity scale and you can set the shadowsamples for each light but you can't for example exclude hair from having shadows or use less shadowsamples I think?
Aah now I see, thanks for the clarification!
Nah the drum set doesn't look good at all with raytrace set to 1 unfortunally, 2 seems to be the minimum. And DOF doesn't look so good with 4x4 pixel samples if you have a lot of it, but yeah
that will work for most part I guess.
I'll try to swap the AoA spots with the shaderlights, maybe I could use a higher shading rate with them without getting jagged shadows etc.
Thanks for the input, still a looong way home but eventually I will get there:-)
Not all of it is "live footage", I'm thinking of using some simpler environments maybe in B&W or sepia, I think it could work really well for some parts.
Right, I made a couple of test renders from my animation project in 720p resolution. Still using the AoA spots and ambient but fiddled with shadow sample settings and
render settings and could reduce rendertimes by maybe 30%. The first three took 7-9 min. with raytrace depth 2, 5x5 pixel samples, shading rate 0.2, fog quality at 40% and motion blur samples 3.
This is good news for me.
But as you can see the DOF doesn't look that good in nr 2 and 3. I don't know, maybe it doesn't matter for animation but I definitely don't like it for stills.
On the last one I set pixel samples to 8x8 and that looks a lot better IMO.
Oh and I also set the ambient light to ignore all hair instead of using alternative samples, so had to add some ambient to all hair surfaces to compensate. I think that works ok.
Almost: one of my grandmothers is Karelian, and she used to speak their dialect of Finnish as a kid. She's gotten way rusty over the years so she couldn't teach me much when I wanted to reconnect with that side of my bloodlines, so I settled for studying "classical" Finnish. :)
Colour could work, yup.
You cannot do the hair optimisations with dzLights, but if you're using progressive, shadows on hair shouldn't be much of a problem. Just make sure hair is excluded from AO via UberSurface.
And then you can also optimise the transmaps the hair models use to make the bulk not medium-transparent gray but white. May require some playing with curves and/or repainting, but in the long run it's possible to have it look almost exactly the same (especially in animation) but render noticeably faster. This really works :)
When you're using progressive, shading rate doesn't count at all, so you could try two light sets - AoA vs dzLights, with and without progressive - and see which combination gets you there faster.
You're welcome!
What you could also do, if your compositing program is flexible enough, is render the fog pass out separately, with all the surfaces turned off so that they're black. Then you could add or screen the fog pass on top of a "normal" render (without fog).
Wow, I'm impressed:)
I decided to stick with AoA lights, after I made some adjustments I feel I got things working.
Yep but that would also take time to do, so I do it in one pass. With fog quality at 40% it's working ok although a little grainy.
Looks like dust to me;)
The first 8 seconds are rendering now, if I'm happy with the result I keep going, if not I'll reconsider!
If I don't feel too embarrassed about it I might share it here to get some feedback.
Yeah, some noise could well pass for dust in an animation.
Hmm, I decided to work some more on lightning and surfaces. Managed to reduce rendertimes so I could increase fog quality to 80% to get rid of most of the noise:)
These new pictures all rendered under 6 minutes so I'm quite pleased. Still no guitar straps though, I downloaded the mcjstrap but haven't even tried it yet.
I fear the posing will take forever so I have to think about that for a while (and hopefully find a simpler way).
Ok so I tried out the guitar strap. Had to start by scaling it up by 300%, it was way short. Parented it to the guitar and started posing the 16 bones one by one.
3 hours later... still no cigar, I think I could make it look good for a still render but no way I can use it for a 4,5 min animation on two guitars laaaawd have mercy
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It's like starting all over with the animating, just can't take it right now lol. Got to find another solution real quick
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The stills look great =)
...taking a copy of the scene into the current beta and trying a dForce sim on the strap?
TY!
Hmm, I've followed some of the dForce threads but I've not seen any mentioning about how it works for animation.
Thanks, have to dig into that!
Another thought is to use two straps, parent them to the guitar and hide the bones not shown in camera. That would require
less posing possibly.
Right, now I atleast seem to have a couple of options, feels better already:)
It should :) There are some animations in the thread... https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/203201/daz-3d-introduces-dforce-physics-engine
Two straps might also work, though will need careful monitoring to catch the gap potentially showing.
I had a new go at the guitar strap, think I found a way to get it to work by creating a few poses for it, converting it to SubD and applying a smoothing modifier with
collision set to the shirt, it seems to work pretty well actually. I've done a 25 sec testrender and it looks good so far.
Bassplayer is next in line:-)
Title: Departing
3Delight render with post work in the Gimp.
Nice!! Love her expression;)
That's great to hear :)
Guitar straps are a real pain, and if your guitarist has wings......
FireBlooD usually perform with a dancing dragon but in old venues of historic interest which are both too small and too restrictive in terms of fire safety they employ the fairy Goldberry as a stand in. Here's a reworked render that I first did for Lola Lane's render a month.
Title: Pretend You Are a Dragon (v2)
Hehe that's brilliant, yeah I can see the combination of an excited dragon and that backdrop ending in disasterXD.
...sweet. Nice lighting.
Amazing =)
That dragon shadow is lovely - did you have a (phantom) dragon in there or did you add it in post?
And Merlin is totally the sort of dude to run an amp business.
Thanks everyone for the kind words.
There is in fact a fantom dragon in the scene. I don't have the greatest postwork skills and, once I'd found out about the 'fantom' option, it seemed the easier way of going about things. What postwork there is consists of using the Gimp's levels and curves. I also used edge detection to make a line drawing which is overlayed with the opacity at about 50%.
Here's a crude work in progress of the band in action during their 'Wake The Dead' tour, where you can see why some stage managers might have reservations about hosting their show!
Lol the line array soundsystem looks pretty impressive
Just saw you were trying out guitar straps. There are three different ones on this page: https://sites.google.com/site/mdp6gdl/
Tks DollyGirl, will check out
LOL I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of that promoter... unless they manage to deduct the damage fees from the band's money. =)
Wake the Dead, so the band played a special tour for the dead, or did the audience turn (un)dead accidentally because of the stageshow? =)
The Wake the Dead* tour is a special tour for the dead, the band played at various necropolises, cemetaries and, once they had employed Anubis as tour manager, whichever underworlds would risk letting them in...
*from the idiom 'loud enough to wake the dead'