Not To Worry, Friend, "There's Always Another Sale™"

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  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,361
    jakiblue said:

    I could have sworn there was a "Clothing Smoother for G3F" by Sickleyield...I can only find a genesis and genesis 2 version tho. My eyes are old and my search-fu is non-existant, so it's just me, or was there not one made?

    This one maybe?

    https://www.daz3d.com/sy-ultra-templates-for-genesis-3-female-s

    I have it and it works great at what it does, but I am not sure it helps with the dreaded V problem in long dresses.

  • L'Adair said:

     

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    Fact, not theory: I really like Zev0 and his products. I've got a script that allows me to convert G3 morphs for use on G8, and I can use Growing up for G3M/F on G8M/F, but I prefer to support the PA, and that's why I bought GU for G8F, and why I'll eventually get GU for G8M... When the price of the G8M brings the two bought separately closer to the price I would have paid buying the bundle.

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    Yep, I would have bought Growing Up for G8M but I was pretty unhappy about the price increase. So, I used Singular Blues script to convert Growing Up for G3M to G8M. It worked very well and I saved almost $9

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120

    Love the checkers & backgammon freebiw today

  • jakiblue said:

    I could have sworn there was a "Clothing Smoother for G3F" by Sickleyield...I can only find a genesis and genesis 2 version tho. My eyes are old and my search-fu is non-existant, so it's just me, or was there not one made?

    Yup, it's called "SY Front Fixer G3F" and you can find it over at rendo.

  • Havos said:
    L'Adair said:

    Yeah, that virtual boycott seems to be working, LOL

    I would expect the only disgruntled customers are those who were awake and shopping at the daily turnover. In my opinion, anyone who didn't see the higher discount, (or doesn't keep watch on this thread,) isn't going to be put off by the lower discount, but see it as a windfall, no matter how small.

    Theoretically, if half of Daz's customers dumped their carts this morning due to the increase in Zev0's product in their cart, sales overall could be disappointing, and GU for G8M could still be the Top Seller.

    Fact, not theory: I really like Zev0 and his products. I've got a script that allows me to convert G3 morphs for use on G8, and I can use Growing up for G3M/F on G8M/F, but I prefer to support the PA, and that's why I bought GU for G8F, and why I'll eventually get GU for G8M... When the price of the G8M brings the two bought separately closer to the price I would have paid buying the bundle.

    I prefer spending my budget on products for the men anyway. If I have to choose between them, I'll wait and buy the product for the males, regardless of the vendor.

    I think for products that morph the body in a fairly major way (and GU does this, particularly the female one) then it is worth picking up the version designed for the base figure, due to all the jcm's that aid in better bending when the morph is dialled in. Having said that, the brilliant script by Singular Blue that transfers morphs from G3 to G8 does also transfer the jcms (which GenX did not do) and these do help with bending for those morphs.

    Where can I find this script?

  • Havos said:
    L'Adair said:

    Yeah, that virtual boycott seems to be working, LOL

    I would expect the only disgruntled customers are those who were awake and shopping at the daily turnover. In my opinion, anyone who didn't see the higher discount, (or doesn't keep watch on this thread,) isn't going to be put off by the lower discount, but see it as a windfall, no matter how small.

    Theoretically, if half of Daz's customers dumped their carts this morning due to the increase in Zev0's product in their cart, sales overall could be disappointing, and GU for G8M could still be the Top Seller.

    Fact, not theory: I really like Zev0 and his products. I've got a script that allows me to convert G3 morphs for use on G8, and I can use Growing up for G3M/F on G8M/F, but I prefer to support the PA, and that's why I bought GU for G8F, and why I'll eventually get GU for G8M... When the price of the G8M brings the two bought separately closer to the price I would have paid buying the bundle.

    I prefer spending my budget on products for the men anyway. If I have to choose between them, I'll wait and buy the product for the males, regardless of the vendor.

    I think for products that morph the body in a fairly major way (and GU does this, particularly the female one) then it is worth picking up the version designed for the base figure, due to all the jcm's that aid in better bending when the morph is dialled in. Having said that, the brilliant script by Singular Blue that transfers morphs from G3 to G8 does also transfer the jcms (which GenX did not do) and these do help with bending for those morphs.

    Where can I find this script?

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2707576/#Comment_2707576

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,361
    L'Adair said:

     

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    Fact, not theory: I really like Zev0 and his products. I've got a script that allows me to convert G3 morphs for use on G8, and I can use Growing up for G3M/F on G8M/F, but I prefer to support the PA, and that's why I bought GU for G8F, and why I'll eventually get GU for G8M... When the price of the G8M brings the two bought separately closer to the price I would have paid buying the bundle.

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    Yep, I would have bought Growing Up for G8M but I was pretty unhappy about the price increase. So, I used Singular Blues script to convert Growing Up for G3M to G8M. It worked very well and I saved almost $9

    Interestingly I tried this, and then compared with the GU for G8M and the results are near identical. The native G8M does not appear to even bend better, or least not in the poses I looked at. The head morph is completely identical.

    This leads on to a major issue I have with many of the products coming out for Genesis 8 (and indeed 2 years earlier for Genesis 3), and that is where the final morph is near identical on the newer figure. For example George was a very popular figure for Genesis 3, simply because as an older, overweight man, he was fairly unique compared to what else was available. So why did his Genesis 8 version had to be a virtual clone? Do all older, overweight men look the same? Same with the Growing-Up morphs, all are clones in the final morph. I know you can change the morph yourself, or use the head neutralizer, but to be honest I would have prefered a different face morph, at least it gives you a reason to actually buy the new version, rather than just porting the morph over from the earlier figures.

  • dragotxdragotx Posts: 1,138

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mary-jane-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s is not getting the intro 30% off on the sales page, and only the loyalty bonus is applying in the cart

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Havos said:

    Interestingly I tried this, and then compared with the GU for G8M and the results are near identical. The native G8M does not appear to even bend better, or least not in the poses I looked at. The head morph is completely identical.

    This leads on to a major issue I have with many of the products coming out for Genesis 8 (and indeed 2 years earlier for Genesis 3), and that is where the final morph is near identical on the newer figure. For example George was a very popular figure for Genesis 3, simply because as an older, overweight man, he was fairly unique compared to what else was available. So why did his Genesis 8 version had to be a virtual clone? Do all older, overweight men look the same? Same with the Growing-Up morphs, all are clones in the final morph. I know you can change the morph yourself, or use the head neutralizer, but to be honest I would have prefered a different face morph, at least it gives you a reason to actually buy the new version, rather than just porting the morph over from the earlier figures.

    There were big differences between G2 and G3. Though the morphs may have appeared to look and work the same, the workings "under the hood" were different. With G3 and G8, the differences are more subtle. G8 bends better, and does expressions a lot better, but the basic shape is so close to G3 that one can convert clothing between the two generations very easily using Sy's tutorial on DeviantArt.

    The G8 versions of Zev0's products may appear to be identical, but they are not. Had they been, it would have taken days to convert everything from G3 to G8, instead of months per product. As for the head looking the same, Growing Up never did change the head and face more than necessary to make it look younger, specifically so you can use any adult figure in your runtime and create a younger version. Here's a scene I did way back when using Mei Lin: The Budding Olympian.

  • L'Adair said:
    The G8 versions of Zev0's products may appear to be identical, but they are not. Had they been, it would have taken days to convert everything from G3 to G8, instead of months per product.

    Production time has nothing at all to do with release dates except for the pesky can't-go-back-in-time limitation. SickleYield's ethnic morph sets for G8 look like straight-up conversions and those are still "taking months."

  • L'Adair said:
    Havos said:

     

    The G8 versions of Zev0's products may appear to be identical, but they are not. Had they been, it would have taken days to convert everything from G3 to G8, instead of months per product. As for the head looking the same, Growing Up never did change the head and face more than necessary to make it look younger, specifically so you can use any adult figure in your runtime and create a younger version. Here's a scene I did way back when using Mei Lin: The Budding Olympian.

    If the end results appear identical I'm not sure if it is important whether the versions are exactly the same or not.

  • L'Adair said:

     

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    Fact, not theory: I really like Zev0 and his products. I've got a script that allows me to convert G3 morphs for use on G8, and I can use Growing up for G3M/F on G8M/F, but I prefer to support the PA, and that's why I bought GU for G8F, and why I'll eventually get GU for G8M... When the price of the G8M brings the two bought separately closer to the price I would have paid buying the bundle.

    ....

    Yep, I would have bought Growing Up for G8M but I was pretty unhappy about the price increase. So, I used Singular Blues script to convert Growing Up for G3M to G8M. It worked very well and I saved almost $9

    Thanks for posting this link, Charlie! I think I'm going to do the same thing. 

     

  • If the end results appear identical I'm not sure if it is important whether the versions are exactly the same or not.

    My take on that is that G3 is better for bending and has several other advantages to G2... but when you're moving a skin mat and a morph from Generation 4 or Generation 3 to Genesis, Gen2 is is the last generation that will take those earlier skin mats without Cayman Studio's geografts - and geografts don't play well with LIE and other geografts... 

    That creates a situation where although you can get something the Victoria 4 or 3 era to work with Genesis 3 - sometimes you're better off stopping at Genesis 2 and dealing with the unique problems that generation suffers from. 

    And when I first got into this, I had no idea what all of this meant. Now I'm a DAZ-nerd through and through. 

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    AHA! thank you! i don't know why i forgot she has stuff over there too laugh 

    jakiblue said:

    I could have sworn there was a "Clothing Smoother for G3F" by Sickleyield...I can only find a genesis and genesis 2 version tho. My eyes are old and my search-fu is non-existant, so it's just me, or was there not one made?

    Yup, it's called "SY Front Fixer G3F" and you can find it over at rendo.

     

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,485
    L'Adair said:
    WandW said:

    So, what is the new thread title going to be?

    How about "Don't Blink or the Price May Change" ?

    "Get Them While You Can!" If Not… Well… "There's Always Another Sale™"

    100 pages already? That barely took two months.

    I like that last one, L'Adair. The "Don't Blink" has a certain appeal, too. Need to keep a repertoire of snappy phrases to use in the future.

  • firewardenfirewarden Posts: 1,482
    NorthOf45 said:
    L'Adair said:
    WandW said:

    So, what is the new thread title going to be?

    How about "Don't Blink or the Price May Change" ?

    "Get Them While You Can!" If Not… Well… "There's Always Another Sale™"

    100 pages already? That barely took two months.

    I like that last one, L'Adair. The "Don't Blink" has a certain appeal, too. Need to keep a repertoire of snappy phrases to use in the future.

    +1

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,690
    edited December 2017
    L'Adair said:
    ArtAngel said:

    Well, I just got a message that I get a whooping extra 5% off for buying Growing Up for G3F WOW!  And this after earlier offering it for $1.50 less than the new discounted price. Thanks but NO THANKS! Happy Holidays Bah Humbug,.cusse the sale sucked.

    Ditto. I too bought The Growing up for G3F bundle and didn't get any offers, so for me the sale really sucked and I decided to buy nothing. Today I bought two extra (have two already) computerized heaters at $60.00 a piece, for the bird aviary to have  - just in  case the aren't available in two years.

    I keep seeing folks saying the discount is for purchasing Growing Up for G3F... Do you folks mean the latest for Genesis 8 Female? That's the product referenced in my Exclusive Offers message...

    Sorry I just saw your post. Thanks for trying to clarify my muddy waters. Maybe I misunderstood but I was under the impression if you had the older version for G3 Growing up, the G8F version was discounted. I own Easy Shape Master - Age Control and Body Tuning for Genesis 3 and also G8 Females but I do like Zevo products better and wished the deal for G8F Growingg up had been betterhad been better.

    Edit: I hope this doesn't offend anyone but I think my keyboard has Tourette syndrome.

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    ArtAngel said:

    Edit: I hope this doesn't offend anyone but I think my keyboard has Tourette syndrome.

    Interesting.. but If you did offend someone with Tourette's how would you know? Either way they would just tell you to F#% off. Kind of like the cat in the box dilemma.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,690
    edited December 2017
    NSFW said:

     

    ArtAngel said:

    Edit: I hope this doesn't offend anyone but I think my keyboard has Tourette syndrome.

    Interesting.. but If you did offend someone with Tourette's how would you know? Either way they would just tell you to F#% off. Kind of like the cat in the box dilemma.

    It was supposed to be funny not interesting, but lucky for us I am not a stand-up comedian and I'm not Schrodinger . . . so no prize for me. ;(

    Edit: and I'm still laughing because your reply was perfect except it left out a few other choice words. :)

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  • Well, trust me, the troll in me wanted to write something else. And havinga a keyboard with tourette's would be a prize to me. I have the opposite problem, I type cursewords to people all the time when I text my enemies, and autocorrect cleans up my language. Its a nightmare.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,873

    I'm on the fence about Growing Up for G8M. I have it for every other generation, how many young boys do I need? And if it's not a merchant resource, I couldn't sell anything with it, so really, what is the point? I really don't see much point to G8 at all except that I may want to create a character for sale and G3 is already considered old news. I really prefer G3. Personally, I think Daz should have waited another year and made G8 a huge step forward instead of just G3 with some things behind the hood that is not obvious to most buyers..,

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    I'm on the fence about Growing Up for G8M. I have it for every other generation, how many young boys do I need? And if it's not a merchant resource, I couldn't sell anything with it, so really, what is the point? I really don't see much point to G8 at all except that I may want to create a character for sale and G3 is already considered old news. I really prefer G3. Personally, I think Daz should have waited another year and made G8 a huge step forward instead of just G3 with some things behind the hood that is not obvious to most buyers..,

    I agree with you 110%. And waiting another year would also have allowed vendors to come up with more products for G3, too. I look at the sheer number of great options for the generation 4 figures and can't help but think we'd see more stuff like that for the "current" generation if a new model wasn't released every two years. Instead, vendors—including Daz—are producing a lot of the same stuff for G8 that they already produced for G3. And I'm not just talking about utilities like the great products Zev0 releases. With dForce around the corner, (when G8 was released,) they could have incorporated soft-body physics into G8 and released the line in 2018. Now that would have been a real reason to adopt the next generation, not just (what appears to be, in my opinion,) a marketing ploy.

     

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,754
    L'Adair said:

    I'm on the fence about Growing Up for G8M. I have it for every other generation, how many young boys do I need? And if it's not a merchant resource, I couldn't sell anything with it, so really, what is the point? I really don't see much point to G8 at all except that I may want to create a character for sale and G3 is already considered old news. I really prefer G3. Personally, I think Daz should have waited another year and made G8 a huge step forward instead of just G3 with some things behind the hood that is not obvious to most buyers..,

    I agree with you 110%. And waiting another year would also have allowed vendors to come up with more products for G3, too. I look at the sheer number of great options for the generation 4 figures and can't help but think we'd see more stuff like that for the "current" generation if a new model wasn't released every two years. Instead, vendors—including Daz—are producing a lot of the same stuff for G8 that they already produced for G3. And I'm not just talking about utilities like the great products Zev0 releases. With dForce around the corner, (when G8 was released,) they could have incorporated soft-body physics into G8 and released the line in 2018. Now that would have been a real reason to adopt the next generation, not just (what appears to be, in my opinion,) a marketing ploy.

     

    Agree also!

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited December 2017

    And another changeover glitch: dForce Mary Jane Outfit for G8F was released as a Daz Original, and 66% off in my cart. Again, assuming it was legit, I didn't checkout right away. I just happened to look at my cart this evening, and I noticed one of the 30% stacking discounts was missing. It took me a couple of minutes to realize that Daz Originals as a vendor had been removed.

    It looks to be a really nice outfit. As a DO and 66% off, it was a no-brainer, IMO. Now? I'll have to think about it... The dForce clothing are being released at a higher retail price, (as well they should be, with the extra effort involved making them dForce compliant,) and I'm just not sure I really need any more dresses for the ladies. PAs take note: If that had been a dForce outfit for the males, made with the same care as you put into clothing for the females, it would be a no-brainer at the 51% discount.

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  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    whew. I thought I lost the thread! It's bumped down a bit. LOL

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Personally, I'm still waiting for a decent Giftcard sale.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,361
    edited December 2017
    nicstt said:

    Personally, I'm still waiting for a decent Giftcard sale.

    Me too, I am almost out of credit, and as a consequence I have spent very little so far this December. I am hoping that some sort of deal arrives that does not require buying two expensive new releases I have no interest in, in order to trigger the discount.

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  • y3kmany3kman Posts: 794

    Will the current holiday sale have a catchup weekend? I forgot to buy a bundle before DAZ midnight and it's now out of the top selling list.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    jakiblue said:

    whew. I thought I lost the thread! It's bumped down a bit. LOL

    Not much to talk about. The sale is pretty much the same thing today as yesterday, with the addition of 10 new releases. No new freebie today, (not complaining, though. We did get two yesterday!) The 2017 Top Sellers list has 49 items, many of which were there yesterday, though several are different today. (Looks like they rotate some out each day and replace with other top sellers.) The same with the 2015/2016 Top Sellers, with 74 items. As far as I can tell, both Genesis 8 offers (Pro Bundles and Previous Generation Pro Bundles; Characters and Previous Generation Characters,) haven't changed, products or discounts, since day 1. And the 400+ Featured Previous Generation Genesis Add-ons doesn't seem to change much, either. I did notice there were 469 products at the beginning of the sale, then 467, and now back to 469. And today I think I saw a few items that weren't in there before...

    It's a catch 22. It would be more exciting if those categories had different products every day, but then those people who have to wait for payday would miss out on the specials. And we'd hear about in this thread, that's for sure. LOL. But when so much stays the same from day-to-day, there really isn't a lot to talk about.

    And as far as I can tell, we didn't have any glitches to bit...complain about, either. If Daz makes a habit of these smooth, problem-free changeovers, I'm afraid the "There's Always Another Sale™" threads may cease to be so popular!
    laugh

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    y3kman said:

    Will the current holiday sale have a catchup weekend? I forgot to buy a bundle before DAZ midnight and it's now out of the top selling list.

    It's really hard to say. And even if there is a catchup weekend, there's no guarantee the Top Sellers will be featured again. Wishlist the bundle, if you haven't already, so when it goes on sale next, you'll have the yellow heart to remind you. It's really true, what we say in the thread title. There is always another sale.

    I've felt the same disappointment when something I wanted wasn't on sale for as long as I thought it would be, or I got distracted by life and didn't checkout before Daz Midnight. But there have been plenty of times where that worked in my favor, as the next time the item went on sale, it was a bigger discount. I like to call those, "blessings in disguise." I know my wallet certainly appreciates it when it works out that way.

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