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It really depends for me. as long as people want the constructive crit , then I agree. =-) However, not everyone is really looking for that (or is truthfully qualified to give it) , and it can be hampering especially unsolicited.
It really depends for me. as long as people want the constructive crit , then I agree. =-) However, not everyone is really looking for that (or is truthfully qualified to give it) , and it can be hampering especially unsolicited.
I happen to agree with Cho's comment, but I also see your point as written critique can often be taken in the wrong vain. Some folks can be actually put off because they think the person giving the critique is bashing them and/or their artwork. I'm of the frame of mind that if I can't give genuine help or valid (or even extraordinary) praise, I'd rather not comment at all just because I don't care for just saying "Oh, that's a nice render" all the time.
The first thing I had to do when starting all this was to grow thicker skin...now I don't give a hoot what people say or think....about anything I do that doesn't harm anyone or anything. Seriously if I get comments that I don't agree with a will argue my point but always appreciating the comments and feedback and respecting the other person. Yes who is qualified really to judge others work only the ones that know what they a talking about or someone new that sees different things...I love them all. Would I like more feedback yes but again I don't care. I make these images for myself, if I am not happy then they don't get shown or don't get entered. I am not looking to get my ego stroked, I can do that myself. :) But I do find other people liking my work a bonus.
And I have taken all the names down that didn't vote for me and the other BWC members so we can plan our revenge... ;)
and to those that did vote for me....THANK YOU, you very nice people. :)
What is surprising to me is how many votes are being posted by newer members (with less than 10 total posts in the community) compared to senior/long term members. I also am surprised that there are not more votes being submitted by the members that have actually participated in the contest to begin with. I would have expected well over 100+ votes by now from just the participants.
70 votes so far..yep keeping a tally. :) Well it keeps me out of trouble. ;)
I know how it feels to get comments on images that feel as if they have been forced. These kinds of comments leave me feeling cold. I would rather have no comment than to have a forced comment. But, if just off the wall say an image causes even the slightest smile on my face, an uproarious laugh, or even the dreaded what on earth am I looking at, I feel it should be expressed to the artist. Art is a very subjective matter. There will always be someone who likes an image and there will always be someone who hates an image. I want to hear those expressions. I want to know that while I sit here alone at my computer that I made someone take a moment to stop and smell the roses or the d*(g as the case may be.
Nicely put Zawarkal and i agree 100%
But there are images I see that need no critquie but compel me to say Excellent work blah balh becasue it makes me think, stop and ponder, even if the image is just eye candy, good artwork with no deep meaning can still compel me to compliment an artist. Most of these times I am drooling considering the possiblities of me one day achieving what I am seeing.
Remember that since the forum software changeover, everyone's post count started over. Some of the oldest members may not have large post count, simply because they don't post frequently, so it may seem they haven't been here very long.
I have to say I'm surprised by that too. Though as I believe as someone else stated, with the stakes so high they may have decided not to vote because they might miss out on the prizes by one vote....... theirs. I have to admit it would suck to lose because my vote put someone else over the top.
Coldrake
Actually I think the Frank Frazetta Contest takes that honor for most popular contest ever. If I remember correctly, that contest had over 700 entries. But I think having Frank Frazetta himself looking at and judging our artwork was a HUGE draw. Not that winning Stonemason's entire catalog isn't HUGE, is most certainly is HUGE, but, sorry Stonemason, Frank Frazetta judging the contest was HUGER. ;-)
Coldrake
I guess that one must have happened while I was still mostly hiding in other forums ( like the Bryce forum) and not bothering too much with The Commons :red:
I had no problem voting either. Art's art. We react to it. It either moves us or it doesn't. I quoted the above because it was surprisingly accurate to my own criteria and choices. Getting the list down from the 200 plus entries to a 20 shortlist was tough, but doable. Whittling those 20 to the eight required thought. And using some kind of a criteria system helped the process. But that doesn't mean I didn't think that were at least 110 exceptional and/or "better than average" renders submitted into this contest. Even if it is coming in second to the Frazetta contest in terms of entries, it was a great community event.
I happen to agree with Cho's comment, but I also see your point as written critique can often be taken in the wrong vain. Some folks can be actually put off because they think the person giving the critique is bashing them and/or their artwork. I'm of the frame of mind that if I can't give genuine help or valid (or even extraordinary) praise, I'd rather not comment at all just because I don't care for just saying "Oh, that's a nice render" all the time.
It is a fine line. I've been on the receiving end of good constructive feedback and rude comments. I have found over /oo much critique/correction can hamper my particular creative process and then I become unable to create. I understand not everyone is like me, however sometimes the act of putting my art out there is hard if you know what I mean.
I'm not saying people should censor their opinions, though, precisely, simply be aware of when advice and criticism is wanted....
I agree Serene, but if someone posts their artwork and DOESN'T want constructive critique, they should say so. That's one thing I like about Renderosity's gallery. You can post what kind of comments you're interested in receiving.
As I said, I wish I could've posted my top 25. Your first image would've been up there at around 9 or 10. Besides, you posted it elsewhere and I commented favorably on it.
~she says as she ducks and runs for cover~ :coolsmirk:
Heh, I think the opposite but the sentiment is similar tho reversed. I feel if people are seeking constructive feedback, THEY should be the ones to say so, not say they are not. I do like the idea of rendos gallery tho that allows more user control which I think is great. I didn't know they did that. Cool.
Wow... I go away for 24 hours and come back to see my question has created a 3 page thread out of nowhere! Sorry about that, and thanks for splitting all this off into a new thread. No need to clog up the voting thread with this meta-conversation. That was not my intention... but I can empathize with the wide variety of opinions expressed so far.
And, as others have said, even though I'll never win, I do really appreciate the 4 or 5 votes my image has received so far. It's very kind of you guys, given the insanely high quality of this competition!!! When I saw that someone had actually voted my image #1 and someone else put it at #2 I honestly blushed. There is no way it deserves that sort of ranking.... but I'm glad it made a good impression on a few people anyway.
As I said, I wish I could've posted my top 25. Your first image would've been up there at around 9 or 10. Besides, you posted it elsewhere and I commented favorably on it.
~she says as she ducks and runs for cover~ :coolsmirk:hehehe yeah run for your lives. ;)
...I just haven't been able to get through the voting thread due to my poor connectivity. With so many images per page it can take 15 - 20 minutes sometimes just to get the page to finish loading...
...and that doesn't count numerous timeouts and resets which make me have to refresh the entire page all over again.
I guess I could have been more clear; I wasn't voicing my opinion that it is difficult to judge, but rather saying how I thought people who wouldn't judge must feel.
One of the reasons I've been published more than once is because I am always eager to get an educated opinion on my work, especially when it's critical. I'm not a masochist, I just want to grow as an artist, and to do that, when I feel I've done my best I need someone to show me why it's not as good as it could be.
Lately I'll call my publisher when I paint myself into a corner just to get a new direction, and since he's been publishing RPGs for 30 years and doing the art direction for his company that entire time, I trust what he says is a valid critique.
That said, I realize that if the judges are of varying skill levels, a contest like this becomes unpredictable, as each image will speak to each judge in different ways. My image for example, is (I suspect) less popular than it might be because I make efforts to remove the appearance of a 3D image from my work; I've encountered disgust due to "the uncanny valley" and am always trying to avoid that; but here on these forums it's likely that a good number of the patrons are unfamiliar with the uncanny valley (as I was for several years), and thus they prefer images that look more standard in the 3D realm.
...... oops.
... didn't realize that my response would result in a splitting of... threads. And so add yet another tiny straw to the overall bandwidth burden of weight that probably hits those with connectivity issues the hardest.
Is it any wonder that "Steam" doesn't seem to work at all on dial-up, anymore.
... sorry... about that.
Anyway... also, I think the question was asked int the other thread... but I'll ask it here, as well:
When is the voting expected to be over-and-done?
If at all, I will probably do as I do in most things, and wait until the last possible m... hour.
Stefan did say about a week.
I actually think this spin off thread is rather good, and has a nice mix of opinions.
Informative chatty threads are always welcome. It is good to see how others fell about things.
hmm... possibly just tomorrow left, then, to get it done... *sigh*... as usual.
...... ok.
Thanks!
I'm a scorpio. I'm definitely taking down names. So, you all can expect a visit from Guido ...
Satira did your comment is related in any way with my submissions?
Satira I actually like both your images, really liked the 2nd one and it was on my short list (which was reasonably short). But It was a case of , well this was a contest to showcase SM's products, so I went for images where his products were, if not the actual focus on the image, well obvious. Yours ended up below my cut off, simply because I didn't feel that the SM product got enough exposure, if you see what I mean. In a different contest your 2nd image would quite probably have ended up above the cut off line.
As to our Pete, he already knows I really like his art style, so I am not giving him an explanation, he can fight it out with me in private, CV to Mod. lol
LOL chohole...can't we fight it out in public, providing some entertainment while we wait the fateful day of finding out the result. ;)
Get them while they last. Club's of all sorts, baseball bats to sawed of broom sticks, assorted chains ranging from dog leashes to towlines, Saps, socks with soap bars. Get them here.
This is a clean rumble folks. No Knifes or broken bottles allowed.
:cheese: :) :ohh: ;-)
Not at all! Your work is excellent, regardless of subject. You could do an elderly nun in full habit kneeling in devotion and we'd all love it.
The naked vickie in a temple with a sword (NVIATWAS) is a reference to the adulation a bad image often gets just because it has a naked or near naked vickie in a fantasy setting.
I wasn't thinking of any submissions when I wrote that comment. I'll often joke with friends that I should do more naked vickies. I've certainly done my share of them! Especially in the Frazetta contest ... including a naked vickie bareback on a horse. Not something I'd want to do personally. But then, I also wouldn't particularly want to go into battle wearing nothing either. It always irritated me that my female characters were never decently dressed for their roles in the MMORPGs I played. Why should a cleric healer get to wear a full plate of armor, but a druid healer had to wear leather?
Well ... I guess that's a discussion for another time and place.
My apologies if you felt my comment was directed at you.
My reply regarding comments and images began with the indication that I have seen where someone asks for critique on their image and then I never see any critique provided. I can think of at least three times I have asked for constructive criticism, including in the stonemason thread after the end of contest image submission. I stated that I wanted to learn how to improve my images and was seeking good or bad critiques. I even stated that a PM could be used for something that someone felt might hurt feelings. But, I never got a single response from any of those requests.
There are images that draw lots of comments. Sometimes I find myself asking why their image received a comment. Sometimes it's quite obvious, other times it's not obvious to me, hence Art being subjective.
Daz provides such a wonderful opportunity for a creative community. I am just hoping to find in the future, that when an image, anyone's image not particularly mine, creates a reaction that people will begin to share those reactions in addition to what is already currently being shared. Now granted some threads do not wish to be filled with comments, but for those that do, particularly if someone asks and if you truly did have an emotional response, Please share. I have no art in my background. It is only through good honest comments on other's posted images that I can see, at least, what this community likes to see.
All that being said, I am still trying to find my own style. All I can assume at this point is that I have not found it yet.
And, I have already begun giving comments where images evoke my emotions.
Anyhow, I won't drag this on and will leave this as my final post on this topic.
Yes. I do see what you mean. The focus was more on the Mime than on Stonemason's bridge or aircar. It's always possible the image I didn't submit with the bridge remains might have fared better as the bridge had a stronger focus. But I could always be wrong about that as the plant may have stolen the focus in that image :P
I do appreciate knowing someone liked mine.
Clearly, I loved your forest. It is just so serene, and I would love a little cottage in the middle of those woods. Though, my first love is a cottage on the sea. Or even on a cliff overlooking the sea. But, a floating cottage works too!
I do not think it necessarily follows that your submissions were not well-received just because they have not received any votes.
I personally liked a majority of the submissions, and thought at least two dozen were exceptionally good (including your second image). But in the face of so many quality submissions it was, by necessity, a somewhat arbitrary process to whittle them down to eight.
In fact, a particular image could be considered to be in the top 5% to 10% by most voters, and still not receive any votes when 8 are being picked out of 250+. This chance increases considering there haven't been as many voters as one might expect. If 200 to 300 people had voted, I'm sure the number of images receiving votes would increase as well.
As for the discussion on the lack of feedback: I think the lack of critique and feedback in the case of a contest thread is justifiable. For one thing, when there is going to be community judging for a prize, I think public critique (positive or negative) on the submissions is a little inappropriate before the voting has occurred and the judging has been completed. Just a handful of responses to an entry may tend to create the appearance of a consensus of opinion where none exists amongst the larger audience that did not respond. If an artist is looking for constructive criticism or feedback on a contest entry, I think asking for it directly in a different thread after the contest is closed would be the better approach.
I am surprised there haven't been more voters, though. I expected to be one of several hundred. I wonder if the delay between the end of the entry period and the beginning of the voting period allowed some of the enthusiasm and attention to cool off? It's nobody's fault, but I think that was at least a contributing factor.
As for my own entry, I just take the lack of votes to be proof that the world still makes sense every once in awhile. I just entered because I liked the idea of working towards a deadline with some specific direction. Although I do like to imagine I'd have made a few "Top 200" lists if that was the chosen voting system.