Always the darkness... when are you guys going to do nice things?

nemesis10

One thing that gets lost when you are searching very specifically is that your perception of what is dark is not everyone's. My view of a dystopia is a place that is perpetually sunny and gaudy with no shade or respite for anyone and I understand that that my vision of a utopia with its dramatic cloud filled skies, subdued subtle colors, and loads of people would drive other people crazy. The number of dark products really doesn't outnumber the bright products in the store; for every "Ambush Alley" there is a "Charlize". I caution against trying to change the balance to match your perception; to quote the great Ursula Lequin: "To light a candle is to cast a shadow."

Skelch

StratDragon said:

Siddhartha (and Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons) once said "Desire is the root of all suffering" and suffering is the commonality of all great art from all great artists. Rob Ross could paint a happy tree like no other but a Van Gogh is priceless for a reason, and that reason is not because it's pretty.

I can see this in that the some of the best paintings/renderings tell a story, and the best stories have some sort of conflict in them. That is why on TV there are so many stories based on Cops and crime stories conflict allows for some of the best story telling.

However I can look at the Mona Lisa and say "wow that is pretty" then look at The Great Red Dragon and the Beast of the Sea
by William Blake and say wow again for a different reason.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I do think someone has the right to request more rainbows, religious, or happy items, does not mean DAZ needs to create them but the request is valid.

By the way I miss Mr. Ross and his happy accidents :)

Lissa_xyz

IMO, Daz isn't dark enough. I was happy as a clam when I saw Rawn come out with Severed Man, but I've been a fan of all things occult, horror, paranormal, etc my entire life.

Non-fiction is where I can't handle a lot of things. If you show me a video of somebody really dying in a gruesome way, nope, not going to watch it.

StratDragon

Skelch said:

StratDragon said:

Siddhartha (and Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons) once said "Desire is the root of all suffering" and suffering is the commonality of all great art from all great artists. Rob Ross could paint a happy tree like no other but a Van Gogh is priceless for a reason, and that reason is not because it's pretty.

I can see this in that the some of the best paintings/renderings tell a story, and the best stories have some sort of conflict in them. That is why on TV there are so many stories based on Cops and crime stories conflict allows for some of the best story telling.

However I can look at the Mona Lisa and say "wow that is pretty" then look at The Great Red Dragon and the Beast of the Sea
by William Blake and say wow again for a different reason.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I do think someone has the right to request more rainbows, religious, or happy items, does not mean DAZ needs to create them but the request is valid.

By the way I miss Mr. Ross and his happy accidents :)

Blake is one of those "if you could have any 3 people from history over for dinner, who would it be?" because I got him seated between Einstein and Jesus.

Herald of Fire

snowpheonix said:

chohole said:

Oh dear, which Admin did that, I must have missed the post. :roll:

Do me a favor... if you have an administrator title.. please stay out of my conversations and let DAZ3D customers talk freely. Really,... if I step out of line.. moderate my post. All you do is tell me what you think can't be done or you antagonize anything you don't agree with.

You guys abuse your power on this message board.

This is a product suggestion. It doesn't require your two cents unless you are going to help convey my idea of making products that promote positive themes.Not to be rude, but you seem to be misunderstanding something. The administrators and moderators are often customers themselves, and therefore by your own statement have every right to comment as they choose. By being flippant about who posts what you're undermining your own argument that it should be a peaceful discussion.

Offering their own personal viewpoint is not an abuse of power as it doesn't require any power to do. If they were editing your posts to agree with them, then THAT would be an abuse of power.

Besides which you still haven't answered the obvious question of what exactly is stopping you from making 'nice' renders when there are plenty of products in store for the purpose.

Jaderail

I see that my personal point of view that things are equal and balanced, not just here but in all things, is not wished. I'll just post this and say no more.

SnowPheonix

Frank0314 said:

Religious products aren't done because they cause to much controversy which in turns can cause you to lose customers.

Merlin has a damn fine church on DAZ3d that I purchased... Angels are to be found ... granted the wing are sold separately. It wouldn't be hard for somebody to fashion up some Jewish (read culturally themed) clothing and some variations for apostles. There is no good reason why DAZ3d can't remove the demons from the opening splash screen and make some products that are more family friendly instead of "Dark Storm" "Zombie Apocalypse" garbage. It's not that DAZ3d doesn't have any... its that I want to see more choices in the future.

DAZ3d sell artist supplies... nobody is going to begrudge DAZ3d for selling to people things that have a positive spiritual message.. even if thats religion which btw.. I'm not. I did however serve in the U.S. military and recognize the right to freely speak and that includes the rights of those people who you say "cause to much controversy".

The reality is that you don't know the future ... For all you know... having family friendly products could actually bring people to the page when they realize DAZ3d is serious source for good, low cost 3D assets.

Maybe Daz3d would lose a few customers but with a wider product range, the end result will be a wider customer base.

SickleYield

snowpheonix said:

Frank0314 said:

Religious products aren't done because they cause to much controversy which in turns can cause you to lose customers.

Merlin has a damn fine church on DAZ3d that I purchased... Angels are to be found ... granted the wing are sold separately. It wouldn't be hard for somebody to fashion up some Jewish (read culturally themed) clothing and some variations for apostles. There is no good reason why DAZ3d can't remove the demons from the opening splash screen and make some products that are more family friendly instead of "Dark Storm" "Zombie Apocalypse" garbage. It's not that DAZ3d doesn't have any... its that I want to see more choices in the future.

DAZ3d sell artist supplies... nobody is going to begrudge DAZ3d for selling to people things that have a positive spiritual message.. even if thats religion which btw.. I'm not. I did however serve in the U.S. military and recognize the right to freely speak and that includes the rights of those people who you say "cause to much controversy".

The reality is that you don't know the future ... For all you know... having family friendly products could actually bring people to the page when they realize DAZ3d is serious source for good, low cost 3D assets.

Maybe Daz3d would lose a few customers but with a wider product range, the end result will be a wider customer base.

Catholic nun habits and priestly garb are in fact on my long-term to-do list, I just haven't got around to them yet (partly because I'd need to decide which order of nuns, Carmelites seem a likely starter). Given the nun garb that IS for sale here, cleavage and all, I don't think it's going to be that controversial if I do it with respect and realism.

I don't think stuff is that negative here. There is lots of pretty fae/goddess/nature gear. True, we've lost Lissa's Botanicals, but it's only a matter of time before someone else creeps into that niche again.

frank0314

It's time to remind everyone that religious view are against the TOS. Any further discussion of it will result in the thread being locked.

Khory

The reality is that you don’t know the future .

But DAZ and many of its PA's do know the past and choices are based on years of experience and sales data. They feature and focus on what sells because paying the bills is at stake if things don't go well. And yes, over the years plenty of people have take then risk of "family friendly" and even religious themed products. If those products are not the ones featured or even available any more then there is a reason for that. As I have said I've even done those types of products and I am positive about how poorly they sell even though they have next to no competition.

Coldrake

snowpheonix said:

I did however serve in the U.S. military and recognize the right to freely speak and that includes the rights of those people who you say "cause to much controversy".

There is no right to free speech on a private forum, which this is.

Coldrake

SnowPheonix

HeraldOfFire said:

snowpheonix said:

chohole said:

Oh dear, which Admin did that, I must have missed the post. :roll:

Do me a favor... if you have an administrator title.. please stay out of my conversations and let DAZ3D customers talk freely. Really,... if I step out of line.. moderate my post. All you do is tell me what you think can't be done or you antagonize anything you don't agree with.

You guys abuse your power on this message board.

This is a product suggestion. It doesn't require your two cents unless you are going to help convey my idea of making products that promote positive themes.

Not to be rude, but you seem to be misunderstanding something. The administrators and moderators are often customers themselves, and therefore by your own statement have every right to comment as they choose. By being flippant about who posts what you're undermining your own argument that it should be a peaceful discussion.

Offering their own personal viewpoint is not an abuse of power as it doesn't require any power to do. If they were editing your posts to agree with them, then THAT would be an abuse of power.

Besides which you still haven't answered the obvious question of what exactly is stopping you from making 'nice' renders when there are plenty of products in store for the purpose.

Actually... nice renders is all I do. You do however cut to the crux of my issue with the admin.

One shouldn't have strong OPINIONS for or against something and have the power to moderate conversations. The very people making the catalog of ways to die and weapons to use might in fact be the these administrators.

Administrators should be referees.. not instigators. In fact... the fact that they are now the topic of conversation indicated the very nature of the problem that I'm now speaking of that has nothing to do with my original topic...

Administrators have no place telling a customer looking for a new product, "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions."

It's a nice quote but the entire topic is now skewed when if he had been a proper administrator, he would have moderated the many insults being hurled instead of ignoring those and speaking off topic.

What was that first responders response? fu 2

SickleYield

snowpheonix said:

HeraldOfFire said:

snowpheonix said:

chohole said:

Oh dear, which Admin did that, I must have missed the post. :roll:

Do me a favor... if you have an administrator title.. please stay out of my conversations and let DAZ3D customers talk freely. Really,... if I step out of line.. moderate my post. All you do is tell me what you think can't be done or you antagonize anything you don't agree with.

You guys abuse your power on this message board.

This is a product suggestion. It doesn't require your two cents unless you are going to help convey my idea of making products that promote positive themes.

Not to be rude, but you seem to be misunderstanding something. The administrators and moderators are often customers themselves, and therefore by your own statement have every right to comment as they choose. By being flippant about who posts what you're undermining your own argument that it should be a peaceful discussion.

Offering their own personal viewpoint is not an abuse of power as it doesn't require any power to do. If they were editing your posts to agree with them, then THAT would be an abuse of power.

Besides which you still haven't answered the obvious question of what exactly is stopping you from making 'nice' renders when there are plenty of products in store for the purpose.

Actually... nice renders is all I do. You do however cut to the crux of my issue with the admin.

One shouldn't have strong OPINIONS for or against something and have the power to moderate conversations. The very people making the catalog of ways to die and weapons to use might in fact be the these administrators.

Administrators should be referees.. not instigators. In fact... the fact that they are now the topic of conversation indicated the very nature of the problem that I'm now speaking of that has nothing to do with my original topic...

Administrators have no place telling a customer looking for a new product, "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions."

It's a nice quote but the entire topic is now skewed when if he had been a proper administrator, he would have moderated the many insults being hurled instead of ignoring those and speaking off topic.

What was that first responders response? fu 2

Um... I make some weapons. I'm not an admin.

SnowPheonix

SickleYield said:

snowpheonix said:

HeraldOfFire said:

snowpheonix said:

chohole said:

Oh dear, which Admin did that, I must have missed the post. :roll:

Do me a favor... if you have an administrator title.. please stay out of my conversations and let DAZ3D customers talk freely. Really,... if I step out of line.. moderate my post. All you do is tell me what you think can't be done or you antagonize anything you don't agree with.

You guys abuse your power on this message board.

This is a product suggestion. It doesn't require your two cents unless you are going to help convey my idea of making products that promote positive themes.

Not to be rude, but you seem to be misunderstanding something. The administrators and moderators are often customers themselves, and therefore by your own statement have every right to comment as they choose. By being flippant about who posts what you're undermining your own argument that it should be a peaceful discussion.

Offering their own personal viewpoint is not an abuse of power as it doesn't require any power to do. If they were editing your posts to agree with them, then THAT would be an abuse of power.

Besides which you still haven't answered the obvious question of what exactly is stopping you from making 'nice' renders when there are plenty of products in store for the purpose.

Actually... nice renders is all I do. You do however cut to the crux of my issue with the admin.

One shouldn't have strong OPINIONS for or against something and have the power to moderate conversations. The very people making the catalog of ways to die and weapons to use might in fact be the these administrators.

Administrators should be referees.. not instigators. In fact... the fact that they are now the topic of conversation indicated the very nature of the problem that I'm now speaking of that has nothing to do with my original topic...

Administrators have no place telling a customer looking for a new product, "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions."

It's a nice quote but the entire topic is now skewed when if he had been a proper administrator, he would have moderated the many insults being hurled instead of ignoring those and speaking off topic.

What was that first responders response? fu 2

Um... I make some weapons. I'm not an admin.

Congrats... What else can you make? Can you make a Utopia? Can you make somebody besides yourself happy? Can you make things that inspire people to build beautiful things?

Can you make the world a better place?

SickleYield

snowpheonix said:

SickleYield said:

snowpheonix said:

HeraldOfFire said:

snowpheonix said:

chohole said:

Oh dear, which Admin did that, I must have missed the post. :roll:

Do me a favor... if you have an administrator title.. please stay out of my conversations and let DAZ3D customers talk freely. Really,... if I step out of line.. moderate my post. All you do is tell me what you think can't be done or you antagonize anything you don't agree with.

You guys abuse your power on this message board.

This is a product suggestion. It doesn't require your two cents unless you are going to help convey my idea of making products that promote positive themes.

Not to be rude, but you seem to be misunderstanding something. The administrators and moderators are often customers themselves, and therefore by your own statement have every right to comment as they choose. By being flippant about who posts what you're undermining your own argument that it should be a peaceful discussion.

Offering their own personal viewpoint is not an abuse of power as it doesn't require any power to do. If they were editing your posts to agree with them, then THAT would be an abuse of power.

Besides which you still haven't answered the obvious question of what exactly is stopping you from making 'nice' renders when there are plenty of products in store for the purpose.

Actually... nice renders is all I do. You do however cut to the crux of my issue with the admin.

One shouldn't have strong OPINIONS for or against something and have the power to moderate conversations. The very people making the catalog of ways to die and weapons to use might in fact be the these administrators.

Administrators should be referees.. not instigators. In fact... the fact that they are now the topic of conversation indicated the very nature of the problem that I'm now speaking of that has nothing to do with my original topic...

Administrators have no place telling a customer looking for a new product, "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions."

It's a nice quote but the entire topic is now skewed when if he had been a proper administrator, he would have moderated the many insults being hurled instead of ignoring those and speaking off topic.

What was that first responders response? fu 2

Um... I make some weapons. I'm not an admin.

Congrats... What else can you make? Can you make a Utopia? Can you make somebody besides yourself happy? Can you make things that inspire people to build beautiful things?

Can you make the world a better place?

Yes, I can. I think giving to Doctors Without Borders is a better way to do it, and I can't claim universal results, but my products do make some people happy, and I've seen some beautiful things made with them.

WendyLuvsCatz

google search-fu it is an expression of search ability not an insult

SnowPheonix

wendy♥catz said:

google search-fu it is an expression of search ability not an insult

Defensive isn't helping me and its off topic when I'm asking for a NEW PRODUCT.

SnowPheonix

SickleYield said:

snowpheonix said:

SickleYield said:

snowpheonix said:

HeraldOfFire said:

snowpheonix said:

chohole said:

Oh dear, which Admin did that, I must have missed the post. :roll:

Do me a favor... if you have an administrator title.. please stay out of my conversations and let DAZ3D customers talk freely. Really,... if I step out of line.. moderate my post. All you do is tell me what you think can't be done or you antagonize anything you don't agree with.

You guys abuse your power on this message board.

This is a product suggestion. It doesn't require your two cents unless you are going to help convey my idea of making products that promote positive themes.

Not to be rude, but you seem to be misunderstanding something. The administrators and moderators are often customers themselves, and therefore by your own statement have every right to comment as they choose. By being flippant about who posts what you're undermining your own argument that it should be a peaceful discussion.

Offering their own personal viewpoint is not an abuse of power as it doesn't require any power to do. If they were editing your posts to agree with them, then THAT would be an abuse of power.

Besides which you still haven't answered the obvious question of what exactly is stopping you from making 'nice' renders when there are plenty of products in store for the purpose.

Actually... nice renders is all I do. You do however cut to the crux of my issue with the admin.

One shouldn't have strong OPINIONS for or against something and have the power to moderate conversations. The very people making the catalog of ways to die and weapons to use might in fact be the these administrators.

Administrators should be referees.. not instigators. In fact... the fact that they are now the topic of conversation indicated the very nature of the problem that I'm now speaking of that has nothing to do with my original topic...

Administrators have no place telling a customer looking for a new product, "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions."

It's a nice quote but the entire topic is now skewed when if he had been a proper administrator, he would have moderated the many insults being hurled instead of ignoring those and speaking off topic.

What was that first responders response? fu 2

Um... I make some weapons. I'm not an admin.

Congrats... What else can you make? Can you make a Utopia? Can you make somebody besides yourself happy? Can you make things that inspire people to build beautiful things?

Can you make the world a better place?

Yes, I can. I think giving to Doctors Without Borders is a better way to do it, and I can't claim universal results, but my products do make some people happy, and I've seen some beautiful things made with them.

Good for you. Keep up the great work and thank you for your continued efforts. I look forward to seeing some very beautiful creations coming from you and I'm grateful.

I'm not against... I'm for seeing a lot more positively motivated products being made in the future.

Lissa_xyz

You can EASILY create angels and whatever other things you want just by using a few products and putting them together. It doesn't have to come as a single package ready to be thrown together.

You want a robe?
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-k4
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-m4-poser-version
http://www.daz3d.com/monk-robes-for-m4

Wings?
http://www.daz3d.com/griffin-wings
http://www.daz3d.com/epic-wings
http://www.daz3d.com/feathered-wings
and dozens more

Long beard?
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-4-long-beard
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-s-morphing-fantasy-beard-w-hair
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-3-long-beard

Long hair?
Take your pick, they're a dime a dozen.

SnowPheonix

Vaskania said:

You can EASILY create angels and whatever other things you want just by using a few products and putting them together. It doesn't have to come as a single package ready to be thrown together.

You want a robe?
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-k4
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-m4-poser-version
http://www.daz3d.com/monk-robes-for-m4

Wings?
http://www.daz3d.com/griffin-wings
http://www.daz3d.com/epic-wings
http://www.daz3d.com/feathered-wings
and dozens more

Long beard?
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-4-long-beard
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-s-morphing-fantasy-beard-w-hair
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-3-long-beard

Long hair?
Take your pick, they're a dime a dozen.

How many of those are designed for Genesis 2 and the new product lines (outside of the wings that I own and already just posted a picture of)? Are you be against some new products being positive in nature?

Why would I want obsolete, low resolution products for Genesis 2?

Is there a problem with me wanting those type products designed for thenew characters with the new technology?

Lissa_xyz

Genesis 2 is brand new. You're expecting too much too soon.

Jaderail

snowpheonix said:

How many of those are designed for Genesis 2 and the new product lines (outside of the wings that I own and already just posted a picture of)? Are you be against some new products being positive in nature?

Why would I want obsolete, low resolution products for Genesis 2?

Is there a problem with me wanting those type products designed for thenew characters with the new technology?

You are miss understanding something. ONLY the Genesis and Genesis2 Meshes use new tech. There is not any NEW TECH for making Props and things. Not that I know of. They are still make in a 3D modeler just as before, and will be LOW RES as you call them.

mrposer

This thread is part of the evil conspiracy to kill off all the DAZ monsters. First they brainwash RawArt and what do we get.... The Toy Pony... and today they release the Vampire Chapel... but look at all those windows!... its a Vampire deathtrap!

Lissa_xyz

MrPoser said:

This thread is part of the evil conspiracy to kill off all the DAZ monsters. First they brainwash RawArt and what do we get.... The Toy Pony... and today they release the Vampire Chapel... but look at all those windows!... its a Vampire deathtrap!

That pony was the most evil thing to ever come out of Raw's brain.

*shudder*

ghastlycomic

If Daz reeeeAAAAaaally wanted to make us happy they could update Hexagon so it doesn't crash whenever you look at it funny.:lol:

kesh

You wrote somewhere in this thread: "i only make nice renders"

I beg to differ.

Female angels with big boobs in poorly lighted scenes?

Sorry, i don't want to be offensive, but i think you should take a step down, do an act of contrition for your sins and take a humbler approach to learning and improving (and listening to others, not just speak from a pulpit).

PS http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Search-fu (i think it comes from a jokeful re-reading of 'strong/weak kung-fu)

Herald of Fire

snowpheonix said:

Defensive isn't helping me and its off topic when I'm asking for a NEW PRODUCT.

The problem is that by your own admission, you don't actually know what you're asking for. What defines a product as 'nice'? Does it have to be angelic or cherubic? Would the daydream dress be classed as a 'nice' item, or merely a neutral one? Until you actually know what sort of products you want to see, it's difficult for anyone to really guess. There are plenty of green fields, wooded forests and other such environments, there are also Utopian cities and urban sprawls.

If you're specifically asking for products with a particular focus, then you need to state what that focus is. Saying 'nice' is meaningless, because everyone has their own definition and it's very difficult to apply to a product. Right now it's already possible to make your angels, your cherubs and your heavens if need be. The only barrier here is how you apply the products you purchase in your program of choice.

You can expect people to be a little bit defensive when you go on the attack without even stating what your actual goal is.

SnowPheonix

MrPoser said:

This thread is part of the evil conspiracy to kill off all the DAZ monsters. First they brainwash RawArt and what do we get.... The Toy Pony... and today they release the Vampire Chapel... but look at all those windows!... its a Vampire deathtrap!

You're not suppose to notice that but I do love that you noticed my trap... Muhahaha! On the other hand... windows do make for an excellent opportunity to add things like glory rays like Merlin did in his Church.

Ironic that you mentioned that because I was looking at it too... My first thought was that its designed primarily for poser because the materials looked better in the poser renders.. I kind of wish people would focus on the 3delight or LuxRender or at least do like the internet and start setting some standards.. (thinking out loud)

I was think of projects like to see...

The Garden of Eden style Utopia is one...

A place called Camelot (that shining city on a hill) would be another...

Good quest objects or artifacts...

Grand architecture like Freedom Tower, Cathedrals that actually have seats and ornate carvings... Rome and the Vatican...

What about HDR's or "domes" of different cities. I have Predatron's skydomes and Dimension theories "HDR Pro" ... I'd like to see a lot more of those but a lot cheaper and more varieties...

The world is such a beautiful place... its almost sad to see the limited vision of the future some people argue to defend.

It's good to see you have a great sense of humor :) Thanks for sharing it.

SnowPheonix

kesh said:

You wrote somewhere in this thread: "i only make nice renders"

I beg to differ.

Female angels with big boobs in poorly lighted scenes?

Sorry, i don't want to be offensive, but i think you should take a step down, do an act of contrition for your sins and take a humbler approach to learning and improving (and listening to others, not just speak from a pulpit).

PS http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Search-fu (i think it comes from a jokeful re-reading of 'strong/weak kung-fu)

You're probably right but since I'm not preacher, I know the world just aint ready for a catalog of my hypocrisy... but ... I do have an opinion and I will be heard.

ssweete

The Garden of Eden style Utopia is one…
heart of the jungle product
http://www.daz3d.com/heart-of-the-jungle
looks like eden to me...also there are tons of plants/trees and other garden items for sell to create any eden you wish

A place called Camelot (that shining city on a hill) would be another…

look up fantasy castle and there are tons of camelots to choose from

Good quest objects or artifacts…
look up treasure and there are tons of items that fit into this category as well