Always the darkness... when are you guys going to do nice things?

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  • ssweetessweete Posts: 115
    edited December 1969

    world of beautful place can be found by searching
    'cyclorama background sets'
    tons of great place to stage your characters

  • defuser2002defuser2002 Posts: 61
    edited December 1969

    I guess we all like to see more 'Utopian' type art and 2/3d assets. It is a matter of freedom and choice, some people like to create art with lots of semi naked females. That's okay by me, I just don't prefer to spend lots of money buying 3d assets with a semi naked theme.
    Humor has a dark side to it as well.

    I have been trying to create a 2d game with 'Utopian' ideals, to get there, one needs to get through the chaos first. I don't think there is much demand for such a game.


    We are completed creatures who have some very strange ideas on what life should be, but find out in the long run life isn't what we expected.

    It's alright to say there is too much negativity in the world, but that is how nature and the universe runs. Chaos (change) is natural. One can be positive about negativity also.

  • SkelchSkelch Posts: 275
    edited August 2013

    MrPoser said:
    This thread is part of the evil conspiracy to kill off all the DAZ monsters. First they brainwash RawArt and what do we get.... The Toy Pony...

    RawArt where are you to defend your evil... I mean Your Toy Pony? Don't tell him but that pony haunts me in my sleep... So it is probably on the dark side.

    If Daz reeeeAAAAaaally wanted to make us happy they could update Hexagon so it doesn't crash whenever you look at it funny.:lol:

    Now I know what I was doing wrong while trying to learn Hexagon... I was looking at it funny.

    Thanks I was wondering how I was making it crash all the time. With my goofy face I will never get it to work. :)

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  • ValandarValandar Posts: 1,417
    edited December 1969

    Going back to the original post, "Utopia" is simply a bad search term. It's a very specific word referring to a country that is perfect. It is not Paradise, Heaven, or whatever you consider the ideal afterlife, and is, in fact, from a book parodying such a notion.

  • blondie9999blondie9999 Posts: 771
    edited December 1969

    To answer the original question:

    This is a business. People make what they think, based on their experience, will sell.

    As for why there's so much "darkness," one could just as well ask, "Why do the news media focus on murder, mayhem, war, and disaster?" If I go to a news web site, what do I see? War here, a forest fire there, a gang shooting somewhere else, a gang rape in India, a chemical weapon attack in Syria ... and on and on.

    Why do the news services focus on all that "negative" stuff instead of featuring stories about "positive" things?

    Answer: because that's what sells newspapers, gets TV ratings, and gets attention on web sites.

    Consider this: remember the Sandy Hook school shooting? (Like, how could anybody forget it...) On the same day that Adam Lanza shot his mother and then went to a school and shot a bunch of people, millions of other 20-year-old men went about their normal business-- working, going to school, doing chores, maybe doing volunteer work, maybe helping to care for an ill or disabled relative, maybe helping younger siblings with homework or school projects-- in short, just being productive, law-abiding citizens.

    But did those millions of young men get any attention or publicity for all the good things they did that day? No. Who got all the attention and publicity? Adam Lanza.

    Why? Because people are more interested in hearing about a school shooting than they are in hearing about ordinary young men going about their ordinary business. A school shooting is exciting and scary and horrifying and attention-getting. A young man going to work and doing his job and coming home to help his dad repair the paving on the patio is not.

    A similar phenomenon is no doubt at work in this market.

    Finally, a word of advice: an artist's signature should be unobtrusive and placed in a lower corner of the picture, where it does not call attention to itself.

  • IceEmpressIceEmpress Posts: 639
    edited December 1969

    Try searching for "Fairy" or "angel". Plenty of hits for those. DAZ is also full of mermaids, toons, children, and baby dragons.

    In fact, the fan base for all of those tends to overlap greatly. If you want some examples, just look at 3DUniverse's store, Francemi's and Trumarcar's freebie pages, the Faerydreams 3D website (Mada and Thorne, two of the major vendors there, also have their own store here) or Littlefox's store on RDNA.

    The abundance of monsters and gloom has to do with catering to the gamer and Dungeons & Dragons demographics, along with the HP Lovecraft/Cthulhu fans.

    There are many different customer demographics for Poser and DAZ products. Just a few of the demographics:

    --Male users who want to create/render some sexy young thing (that's what the really EXTREME female skimpwear is geared towards-- you know, the type where you think "why ever wear anything at all?" Not too many of those exist on DAZ because NSFW images are not allowed. There are some female users who fall into this demographic as well, but they're not as common.

    --Female (and also some male) users who play with DAZ and render humanoid pictures as a sort of "digital paperdolls" program (but for grown-ups) With this demographic, the characters also serve as either avatars and/or idealized versions of themselves-- either as much prettier, firmer, and *usually* younger versions of themselves, or as al alter-ego of themselves (or both-- I mean let's face it-- a furry/tigress or blue-skinned fairy isn't going to be a younger and prettier idealized version of one of us :p)

    --The userbase into kids, cutesie toons, etc. characters-- many of these people are middleaged or older women *though most DAZ and Poser users tend to range in the 40's to late 60's age demographic anyhow* with some such users, you definitely get the vibe that the characters they render are sort of like children or grandchildren, in a way (I can recall some game programmers actually stating flat out that some of the characters they created were like daughters/sons to them)

    You could probably break-down the majority of users into the above three demographics when it comes to interest in humanoid characters and products.

    In addition, you have genre-based demographics:

    --The Gamer and Dungeons & Dragons/HP Lovecraft/Cthulhu demographic. Not to be confused with those into fantasy in general. This type is predominantly male and into the types of products the TC mentioned. There are of course other gamer demographics who aren't into fantasy, either-- some of them are more into the Halo/Fallout/Doom/etc. post-apocalyptic shooters. Then you have gamers who are more into the old arcade/platformers, though they generally aren't Poser or DAZ users (they are more likely to use Blender or some other more serious 3D program)

    --The Post-apocalyptic scifi demographic -- this is also a gamer base-- many of the individuals falling into this demographic are either fans of games like Halo and Fallout, or they're fans of certain classic scifi films. The Dystopia products cater to this demographic.

    --The Space Opera scifi demographic (which can be broken down into more than one sub-demographic, really) These folks are almost always fans of classic scifi movies and series, namely Star Trek and Star Wars. Then there's the scifi grunge type-- these fans sometimes overlap with the post-apocalyptic scifi above, but they're also fans of movies like Aliens, where the background props are less of a "fantastical" level of scifi and tend to be drab and/or dirty-- you know the type, it includes the obligatory bands of "yellow hashed or checkered paint" across various objects, and the engine room bears a close resemblance to a modern boiler room rather than to the almost fantasy-like types you see in Star Trek-- typically they take place in a setting 50 years to a century in the future from the time the movie was filmed. The Dystopia band of products also cater to this demographic.

    --Cyberpunk demographic: This demographic is modelled after various types of movies and anime taking place in a post-apocalyptic or dystopian urban setting. I can't think off my head of any movies this falls unfder, but Ghost in the Shell is one of the archetype anime series this is modelled after. Cyberpunk generally involves outlaws who struggle, either for vengeance or (more commonly) justice in a civilization ruled solely by corrupt government and corporate bodies. Again, another demographic that the Dystopia products cater to.

    --Steampunk: Soft of retro-scifi that takes place in the Victorian era. 19th century submersible spheres and Leonardo Da Vinci's mechanical contraptions are examples of this, along with Jules Verne's "20,000 leagues under the sea". To summarize, steampunk is "what would be considered scifi to people in the Victorian era"

    --Retro Scifi: Not one of the more popular sub-genres, "retro scifi" is a genre based off of the scifi films (and series) from the 1920's to 1960's (with Star Trek-- the original series-- being one of the youngest examples of this, and "Space 2000: An Odyssey or whatever it's called" being the absolute oldest.)

    Then you have plenty of other demographics as well, and many of them do overlap with one another, but those are some of the major ones. (For instance, the "sexy thing" and "digital paperdolls/avatar" demographics overlap with more general fantasy and scifi demographics-- and it;s not uncommon for the kids/cutesie toon demographic to overlap with the digital paperdolls/avatar demographic, though you don't often see, for instance, the "sexy thing" demographic overlapping with the cutesie toon demographic, and you almost never see the cutesie toon demographic overlapping with the gamer/D&D demographic)

    Anyway, I hope that helps explain things to you. You also have to understand that Daz and Poser renders ARE an art, and art is one of the ways that people have expressed what their feelings since written history-- no matter what its form, be it a painting, poetry, or music.
    Of course that's not the only reason people are attracted to the gothic and horror genres. For some people, like myself, it's sometimes just something they're interested in and draw/write stories or fanfiction about it. Yes, some people wallow in this type as well as depressing things as an extension of self-pity and dwelling upon their sorrows rather than doing something about it, but that is typically something people grow out of once they finish highschool, so I doubt too many Daz or Poser users fall under that demographic. As another example, you also have people in the "sexy thing" demographic who have a fetish for vampires or goth lolitas, or whatever.

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