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Oh yes. Windows XP was the best OS for me. I still use it on my desktop. When I get a new machine, I'm putting XP on it.
I have Vista on my laptop and Vista is a piece of $#!+
I'm steering clear of the cloud. Where the hell is my stuff when it's in the "cloud". What happens if the cloud blows away or some raids the cloud?
Well support for XP is being discontinued by Microsoft in April ?
I'm surprised they've kept support going for this long, though I suspect that's largely due to business users being unwilling to upgrade. It's a very expensive thing to do when you have to buy licenses across dozens, maybe hundreds of PCs even with the bulk discounts Microsoft offer. Despite the cheapness of Windows 8 upgrades, many companies have been warned off making that switch as it makes certain software unusable including at least 3 mainframe interface applications to my knowledge.
They did say they'd be dropping support for Windows 7 as well. What's more annoying is how they announced this only moments after they realised Windows 8 was sinking like a lead weight, as if everyone would jump ship from Windows 7 only to land on the metaphorical Titanic that is Windows 8. They backpedalled that quickly when they realised they would lose more customers than they'd gain including a certain County Council's servers which they threatened to move to a Linux-based system if the support mechanisms vanished.
As for Cloud services, I've never really understood the appeal. Yes, I can use a cheap laptop to access more high-spec programs online, but there's no option to take my work with me should I need to work in an area where internet is sporadic or non-existent. Most applications also work on a subscription service, so ultimately you pay more for them then you would with a single license. Sadly, very few of the very big expensive applications are available as a cloud service yet so it's not as if it makes those programs more accessible for people on lesser incomes either.
Maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud, but I can only embrace change when I can see obvious benefits. If it feels too restricting I recoil instinctively and find myself disliking the idea considerably. It reminds me a bit of the 'Onlive' cloud gaming system which lagged your movements ever so slightly enough to be jarring to experienced players like myself, destroying the immersion and enjoyment. Shame too, because I really wanted to like that system.
They're goign to discontinue win 7???? when??? I just bought it half a year ago! And i do NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT want 8!
Crappiest move from microsoft EVER. XP and 7 were the only usable versions to me....
I think the companies saw the subscription model in the gaming industry and realised just how much of a killing they could make if they could get their clients to subscribe to 'improved' cloud versions of their stuff . (I refuse to buy game subscriptions as a matter of principle, I'm happy to pay £30-£40 for a game, not £100+ per year and feel compelled to play just to get my money's worth - the same goes for any software, let me pay a fixed amount to use a specific version of a product, don't try to bleed me dry over an extended period of time for extras I'll never use)
Advantages -
* You don't need to worry about installing updates, that's all done on the company's side.
* You can possibly access software & data via any internet-connected computer in the world.
* You can possibly use software your own computer couldn't run itself (although I haven't come across a single case of this except for cloud-based render farms, and they're extremely expensive).
* If you have a computer hardware failure, it should be easy to pick up from recovery via cloud-saved content (that said, I've never yet heard of cloud storage being 100% reliable, there's always something that goes AWOL when talking gigabytes of stuff).
Disadvantages -
* Internet connection required to do any work.
* Clerical errors could see you being denied access to your own data & software package(s).
* Anybody that learns your login could possibly access your data and/or lock you out of your own content from any internet-connected computer in the world.
* If the online company goes bust, you may lose all data and have to buy-into different software to continue your project/business/hobby.
* Cloud-based terms and conditions give you no rights if it all goes belly-up, and even if you do win a court case, the pyrrhic victory will not get you back lost data or the cost in inconvenience.
I'm sure the pros & cons work out for some people, but for me they're a load of... um, maybe best if I don't finish this sentence :)
All I have to say to all this is.... if MS goes cloud, their profits will tank worse than windows 8 lol
I doubt they'd dare do that after this announcement:
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-extends-windows-7-support-to-2020
Or straight from the horse's mouth:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=6&y=11&c2=14019
Sounds ... niiiiiiiiiiice!
I like discussions like this one, you learn something new all the time.
I only heard about Windows8 - perhaps it is a great Operating System, but somehow they forgot about a usable interface.
Yes. I'll probably also stick with Win 7 until 2020 - my main system is pretty huge with tons of stuff that takes me weeks to rebuild and reconfigure so I always stick with the same OS as long as possible, if it works well. I'm still on XP for the same reason (7 years old installation), but I'm going to upgrade it to Win 7 soon, now that support for XP is coming to an end. I have Win 7 and Win 8 on some other machines, but I definitely prefer Win 7 to Win 8. At least for now - could be that 8.1 will change my mind when it's released.
Windows 8 is a really bad piece of software there is no arguing that. Its so bad that the majority of shops in my area including my own are refusing to service Windows 8 computers. People bring them in thinking that they have a virus infection or something along those lines because they keep crashing. I tell them its just windows 8. Computer sales have been on an all time low and I don't blame tablet computers. They are nothing new and most of them actually suck. I have a Fujitsu Stylistic 3500 tablet. It came out in 1999, 2000. It runs on laptop memory and has a full install of windows XP. Compare that to the ones of today and they are all cheap imitations. Windows 8.1 still sucks being that it is still Windows 8. Still has the major flaws. The response to windows 8 has been and still is so bad that several people have been fired and they have even pulled several projects from development. I personally find windows 8 and Metro to be a hideous user interface. As other have said it is designed for software consumption (Microsoft wants to control what software is used on it via the windows store) rather than production. They should have had two versions of 8. One with Metro and one with out. Also if you look at the most recent polls Windows 8 is even failing to match not just the sales but the rate of adopters of Windows Vista. And like what happened with Vista Microsoft if spending more money marketing Windows 8 than what they are trying to fix it. Why is that. There is no fixing windows 8. You can polishing a piece of fecal matter all your want and it will still be a piece of Fecal Matter. If you watch a Bing or Windows commercial they never actually show anyone actually using the software or product. Its a bunch of people holding them up to other people and more people dancing.
I don't know, I think the reason most people don't like it is because the UI is different from what they're used to. Technically I don't see any particular problems with it. The opposite - a great interface but a bad underlying technology (like ME and Win 95) is much worse. Maybe 8.1 with the new reworked UI will be a pleasant surprise, who knows.
I hate live tiles. I find them ugly and useless. Plus there are no folders in the Metro UI so you see everything that would be in the folders under the regular Start Menu. And the Charms Bar another Ugly and useless piece of Fecal Matter. It takes me 2 clicks to shut my Windows 7 computer down I lost count of how many in 8. No thank you.
Yeah, bad economy wouldn't have anything to do with home PC sales being at an all time low would it?
As for crashing, if you're seeing Win8 PC's crashing or running slow and you're telling your customers it's not a virus it's the OS then you're doing them a disservice. My Win 8 PC is faster than it was running Win7 and I've yet to have an OS crash.
I'm friends with several writers for places like IT World and they're not seeing the global disdain from either home PC users or their corporate contacts that the internet and geek worlds are claiming. In fact one of them wanted to hate Win8 for nothing more than the Metro UI but when he had to write an article about it at release and forced himself to use it for a month he now refuses to switch back to 7.
I know for a fact none of the major shops are refusing to service Win8 since all of them are selling systems with it on them. I've not heard of any of the small shops around here doing so but then most of those are out of business now anyway.
Yeah, bad economy wouldn't have anything to do with home PC sales being at an all time low would it?
As for crashing, if you're seeing Win8 PC's crashing or running slow and you're telling your customers it's not a virus it's the OS then you're doing them a disservice. My Win 8 PC is faster than it was running Win7 and I've yet to have an OS crash.
I'm friends with several writers for places like IT World and they're not seeing the global disdain from either home PC users or their corporate contacts that the internet and geek worlds are claiming. In fact one of them wanted to hate Win8 for nothing more than the Metro UI but when he had to write an article about it at release and forced himself to use it for a month he now refuses to switch back to 7.
I know for a fact none of the major shops are refusing to service Win8 since all of them are selling systems with it on them. I've not heard of any of the small shops around here doing so but then most of those are out of business now anyway.
Of courses the economy affects everything. But look at the steady increase of smart phone and tablet sales. So I don't Blame the economy entirely. PC parts sales are still doing well as are sales of Windows 7 OEM's. I am seeing a lot of windows 8 machines crashing mostly on the metro UI and these are brand new machines not even a day old. They Crash in Metro while trying to view Outlook. If you look at companies that review User Interfaces they too find it nearly unusable as are the majority of the customers that come to my shop.
Another thing that pissed me off. Windows 8 and a lot of the new computer and motherboard manufactures are locking you out of the Bios. If you buy a windows 8 computer and want to put any other os on it its a giant pain to do so. First you have to find which of the keys actually gets you into the bios before windows 8 starts to bypass it. Then you have to find the right setting to change, usually enable legacy boot and usb boot. Apart from that I once you are in the install screen and have to select which partition to install on I have seen up to 6 Partitions at one time for different things that either the computer manufactures use or windows 8 its self.
And if you don't think Windows 8 has gotten a bad rap. Look at what Microsoft is planning for either 8.1 or 8.2
Direct Boot to The Desktop and a start button.
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-continues-to-fail-7000016222/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/156915-windows-8-1-will-resurrect-the-start-button-but-not-the-start-menu
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/25/1432209/windows-81-rtm-trickling-out-with-start-menu-and-boot-to-desktop
You say your machine runs faster with windows 8. By any chance did you upgrade your drive to either a hybrid drive or an SSD?
Didn't somebody at the top just leave Microsoft in the last few weeks? Hmmm... wonder why?
As for Cloud services, I've been around long enough to have witnessed the ping-pong bounce between the "centralized v. distributed" philosophies many times. This is yet another swing of the pendulum. Each has its advantages. Neither is a panacea.
I too am a stick-in-the-mud but I've been told I have a sharp point on the end stabbing at the foolish who wallow in the mud. I warned the world twenty years ago to leave the computing to the professionals but now that every fool in the world has access to computers I'm very smug that they're all getting bloody. 8-o
For myself, I have successfully avoided jumping into the cloud for fear it would evaporate or become too transparent revealing my nakedity. I've also avoided carrying a tracking device and I enjoy the fact that I am sometimes unreachable. :-)
On a desktop you just push the power button, and it shuts down immediately, like any other version of Windows.
You are not suppose to power on machines by pressing the off button. That is why the shut down button is there.
Didn't somebody at the top just leave Microsoft in the last few weeks? Hmmm... wonder why?
If you're thinking of Sinofsky, he was fired mostly because he couldn't get along with the others, according to Microsoft. He was actually replaced by someone who "played a key role in program management, and UI design/research for Windows 7 and Windows 8." So if anyone was to be fired because of the Win 8 user interface, you'd think she'd had to go to.
http://www.dailytech.com/Bill+Gates+Agreed+with+Ballmer+Sinofsky+Had+to+Go/article29176.htm
I think Steve Ballmer was recently Fired as well but am not sure.
I can understand MS tactics - if people use their UI, they can pick up a phone, tablet, PC and have a seamless integration between devices that will ensure MS is top of the tree... the problem is that not enough people want that yet, or at least not with the lack of user control as they try to dumb down to the lowest common denominator.
My main concern is now Windows 9... will it be an acceptance that the universal concept isn't ready yet, or will it be a second attempt to force users to use devices the way they want them used rather than how we want to use them.
I agree that Win 8 is a bit troublesome to shut down using the mouse (I guess the keyboard shorcut went out with the Start button), but it also has some advantages. I've more than once managed to unintentionally shut down earlier version of Windows by accidentally hitting the wrong keys.
From what I have read and heard from several sources Microsoft had already started working on a Windows 9 Build and after the amazingly negative response to Windows 8 they pulled the project and started on Windows 8.1 and 8.2. If 8.2 does well then they will start off on 9 again. I also believe they are no longer going to be putting out service packs. Microsoft was at one time a great company. That I fear is no longer the case.
BTW, windows is designed to shut down correctly when pushing the power button on the machine. It doesn't do any damage (it did on the first PCs, but with the ATX standard this was introduced as a legal way to shut down - possibly because too many users just turned the machine off on the switch). So technically it is an on/off button.
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Your power button is programmable from your computers bios to either sleep, hibernate or shutdown. The default setting is generally shutdown.
if you crashed your OS and you need to shutdown you can hold power button down for about 4 seconds to initiate a hard shutdown which bypasses the OS and terminates at the PSU otherwise pressing your power button while your OS is running is going shut down your computer using the same routine that clicking shutdown on your OS would.
looks like I cross posed with Taozen, and he's correct.
Your power button is programmable from your computers bios to either sleep, hibernate or shutdown. The default setting is generally shutdown.
if you crashed your OS and you need to shutdown you can hold power button down for about 4 seconds to initiate a hard shutdown which bypasses the OS and terminates at the PSU otherwise pressing your power button while your OS is running is going shut down your computer using the same routine that clicking shutdown on your OS would.
Yes - I guess I should have added that - don't keep the button pressed, just a quick push, unless a hard shutdown is needed
I've also noticed that if a system hangs during shutdown using the Start button in Windows, a short push (or maybe a few) on the power button sometimes may get the normal shutdown process going again, so you don't need to do a hard shutdown.
It can be programmed but the majority of everyday users do not know how to so I don't usually recommended it for them. And In 8 you are pretty much locked out of the bios.
As for windows 9 it appears that they are putting even more focus on Tablets which I think will not be around much longer. And 10 sounds like they want to make it almost entirely cloud based. I am honestly not looking forward to it. One thing that I have read that makes me even more worried is that Microsoft will eliminate the Desktop Environment entirely for 9 and just leave the Metro or Modern UI which again I find to be a nightmare.
How is setting controls for the power button hard? Unless they did away with the control panel. On my laptop at least you hit battery options (no desktop on hand but my guess is there's something labeled power options) and then right there on the left is something that says "Choose what the power buttons do". I have coached my aunt to do harder things over the phone.
You are correct, you can still do this from the Control Panel in Win 8.
I think it was under the Mobility Center? And its not that its hard but I have to deal with people who don't know that when you download something it goes into the downloads folder so they usually end up with multiple downloads of the same file. They also think that their emails are stored on their computer.