(In the news) The End Of Windows?

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    maclean said:

    Classic Shell for Win 7 restores a lot of the functions of XP. For example, a status bar with file information that doesn't look like an ad for Cornflakes. It also replaces the Win 7 'overwrite file' stupidity with the old dialog.

    Tbh, it's been so long now since I saw Win 7 in its original state, I can't remember most of the things Shell does - but it's a lot.

    I also replaced Notepad with Notepad2, (which is infinitely superior), got rid of all the gadgets, and got myself a decent clock. Plus dozens of other fixes in the registry - Intuitive File Sorting, Disable Libraries, Take Ownership, Delay Taskbar Thumbs, etc.

    Took me a while, but I'm happy with it now.

    mac

    I see,

    I got on perfectly well with 7 when I had it and it didn't feel like I was missing anything that I'd had or not had on XP previously. Still, I'll have a look at 7 again when I get it and see how I go.

    CHEERS!

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited December 1969

    Actually, and it's just probably an issue on my machines, Windows 7 introduced a bug that plagued me from start to finish with that OS version... Seemed that at least once a week I would get a crash to desktop issue while in any given directory. When I tried to access that directory again I would get a repeat of that. So I went on line and looked for an alternative to Explorer and found this handy little explorer replacement called Cubic Explorer: http://www.cubicreality.com/ce/ When installed I asked it to reveal hidden files and sure enough Explorer produced some strange garbage file that kept causing it to crash to desktop. SO when I removed that file via Cubic it was fine to use Explorer again until the next crash. It was so annoying, you just can't imagine!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited February 2014

    Oh, I never had any issues at all with 7, I had more with XP and 98 that I can recall. By now there will have been a few service releases and updates for 7 which will have ironed out any bugs. I've bookmarked Cubic Explorer just in case though.

    CHEERS!

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Oh, I never had any issues at all with 7, I had more with XP and 98 that I can recall. By now there will have been a few service releases and updates for 7 which will have ironed out any bugs. I've bookmarked Cubic Explorer just in case though.

    CHEERS!

    I can honestly say that out of all the other replacements Cubic has the best features and its' free unlike other replacements. I even tried one out that was share ware and it's UI was horrid. I felt like I was back using Windows 95. YUK!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Cool, if anything goes awry I'll be sure to check it out.

    At least with 7 I know I can get up to date drivers for all the hardware I'm putting in the new build.

    CHEERS!

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,781
    edited December 1969

    RAMWolff said:
    I know those stupid tiles record everything. They really should just give an option to turn off everything except for the executable 's and MAYBE the readme's or PDF's but even those can clutter up the tiled Start menu....

    They did - 8.1 no longer adds everything to the start page tiles.

  • Testing6790Testing6790 Posts: 1,091
    edited December 1969

    Windows isn't going anywhere for a long, long time. They bare doing amazing in business computing.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    I skipped Vista and waited a long time before trying Win7, but before long I loved it. There are only two things I miss from XP: folder size in the Windows Explorer API, and the ease of adding a startup program.

  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    edited December 1969

    I have been on Windows 8 (and now 8.1) starting nearly 18 months ago, on both a laptop and a desktop tower. I would never go back to XP or 7. I use Classic Start so that I never have to see that awful Metro start screen, but Classic Start is free, so there's no excuse for not doing it and no reason to keep whining and bellyaching about Windows 8. So just stop it already, it's beginning to sound ridiculous! >:-(

    Windows 8 has simply been the most reliable OS for me, including for artwork. Well, ESPECIALLY for artwork.

    And with 64 GB RAM size, I have pretty much zero limits, except for Hexagon and Bryce that can't play in large memory address spaces, so I no longer use them. And I tell EVERYBODY that I don't use them due to their obsolescence, so DAZ....hint, hint! >:(

    For those of you still hanging on to XP, your obstinance will soon cause you to lose security updates and you are also currently not able to take advantage of HD meshes due to the memory limitations of XP. So here's the bad-tasting medicine: It's time to upgrade. Yes, really. You need to be planning. Open wide and take your medicine! You may feel ill for a bit but it's only temporary woozyness like you used to get when you were a kid at the doctor when you needed a shot. :sick:

    Windows 8 has a lot of under-the-hood improvements and you can stop wasting time tweaking things like memory so your fears will go away soon enough, being replaced by FREEDOM and TIME to ENJOY doing your ART! You will thank me for my not-so-gentle prodding! I accept DAZ dollars, by the way. If you're a DAZ developer, can you have a word with the bosses about upgrading brother Bryce and sister Hex? Thanks! :cheese:

    If you are too nervous or afraid to go to 8, please at least consider upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit with your next hardware upgrade. It is still an inferior OS to Windows 8, but at least it's acceptable, stable, and is still being supported. And yes, safe. So you don't have to be afraid!

    There, I just called half the forum membership 'fraidy-cats! I think my work is done here. :lol:

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    I skipped Vista and waited a long time before trying Win7, but before long I loved it. There are only two things I miss from XP: folder size in the Windows Explorer API, and the ease of adding a startup program.

    I did the exact same thing.

    As far as the startup program, should be the same. Start Menu > All Programs > Right click the Startup folder > Open. Create a shortcut of what you want to start and drag the shortcut into the Startup folder.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    If you are too nervous or afraid to go to 8, please at least consider upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit with your next hardware upgrade. It is still an inferior OS to Windows 8, but at least it's acceptable, stable, and is still being supported. And yes, safe. So you don't have to be afraid!

    There, I just called half the forum membership 'fraidy-cats! I think my work is done here. :lol:

    LOL!

    Technology moves so fast now and it will be the middle of this year before my build is complete, by which time, some of the components I'm using may well be superseded. If I were to cough up £130 and get 8.1, there's no guarantee of full driver support for all my hardware. Having checked out 7, I do know that there are definitely drivers available for everything I have and will have.

    Also, there are several 3rd party programs I use now to get 8 looking the way I want it that might not have 8.1 versions made for them due to them needing to be compiled differently. However, if I get 7, I won't need those programs as 7 still has the features that those programs gave back to 8.

    I know where I am with 7 and by the time it becomes obsolete there will hopefully be a version of Windows available that everyone can live with again.

    CHEERS!

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    ...
    Windows 8 has a lot of under-the-hood improvements ...

    I thought so ... I just don't like Gimmicks for Gimmicks sake ...
    Vista HAD great improvements - it was only quite unusable ... I waited for Windows7.
    *waits for Windows9 now*

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Kerya said:
    ...
    Windows 8 has a lot of under-the-hood improvements ...

    I thought so ... I just don't like Gimmicks for Gimmicks sake ...
    Vista HAD great improvements - it was only quite unusable ... I waited for Windows7.
    *waits for Windows9 now*


    Windows 9: Codenamed Doorways

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania said:
    Kerya said:
    ...
    Windows 8 has a lot of under-the-hood improvements ...

    I thought so ... I just don't like Gimmicks for Gimmicks sake ...
    Vista HAD great improvements - it was only quite unusable ... I waited for Windows7.
    *waits for Windows9 now*


    Windows 9: Codenamed Doorways

    Really?

  • JonnyRayJonnyRay Posts: 1,744
    edited December 1969

    To quote Mr. Twain...

    The news of my demise has been greatly exaggerated.

    Windows isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon. While it may diminish in terms of its value to the average home user, it is still by far the most used platform for businesses. They have too much invested in using it to keep their company running to be making a jump to some other OS.

    TBH, it kind of makes me sad. I used to work for Microsoft. Seeing how they have lost that "thought leader" position that they had when I was there is unfortunate. When it comes to non-PC / non-corporate use, they are clearly chasing other innovators.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited February 2014

    JonnyRay said:
    To quote Mr. Twain...
    The news of my demise has been greatly exaggerated.

    Windows isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon. While it may diminish in terms of its value to the average home user, it is still by far the most used platform for businesses. They have too much invested in using it to keep their company running to be making a jump to some other OS.

    TBH, it kind of makes me sad. I used to work for Microsoft. Seeing how they have lost that "thought leader" position that they had when I was there is unfortunate. When it comes to non-PC / non-corporate use, they are clearly chasing other innovators.

    Interestingly, a lot of places I've been to over the past couple of years are all using XP for 'business' computing. Nowhere I know of has moved on to 7 or 8 based systems.

    CHEERS!

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    RAMWolff said:


    Windows 9: Codenamed Doorways

    Really?

    LOL, probably not!

    CHEERS!

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Interestingly, a lot of places I've been to over the past couple of years are all using XP for 'business' computing. Nowhere I know of has moved on to 7 or 8 based systems.

    When the last company I was at converted (finally!) to a fully computerised setup several years ago, I had a hand in advising what sort of system to get. This was at the height of the "Vista unclean!" talk, and before 7 came out, so I advised getting XP. When I left them last year, only some of the office admin machines had been changed to 7, none to 8. The main systems (that I used) were still XP, although the last I heard, those were being considered for an update to 7 sometime before XP's end-of-support, which I made sure they knew about. I'd be very surprised if my experience is unusual or uncommon.
  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    RAMWolff said:
    Vaskania said:
    Kerya said:
    ...
    Windows 8 has a lot of under-the-hood improvements ...

    I thought so ... I just don't like Gimmicks for Gimmicks sake ...
    Vista HAD great improvements - it was only quite unusable ... I waited for Windows7.
    *waits for Windows9 now*


    Windows 9: Codenamed Doorways

    Really?
    Haha no

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited December 1969

    *smirks*

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,145
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Interestingly, a lot of places I've been to over the past couple of years are all using XP for 'business' computing. Nowhere I know of has moved on to 7 or 8 based systems.

    When the last company I was at converted (finally!) to a fully computerised setup several years ago, I had a hand in advising what sort of system to get. This was at the height of the "Vista unclean!" talk, and before 7 came out, so I advised getting XP. When I left them last year, only some of the office admin machines had been changed to 7, none to 8. The main systems (that I used) were still XP, although the last I heard, those were being considered for an update to 7 sometime before XP's end-of-support, which I made sure they knew about. I'd be very surprised if my experience is unusual or uncommon.

    Yeah. The outfit I retired from just started rolling out Windows 7 last fall. Among other issues, they are an SAP/R3 shop, so they had to wait for SAP to certify Windows 7 and for the SAP interface to be certified for that version of IE. And when you're paying in the high six digits for support you do NOT us unsupported software.

    As for me - I run XP on a laptop and a small home system, Win 7 ultimate on the big home system.

    The laptop hasn't had any security updates in the last year or more, doesn't have an AV program installed, and gets hauled to a wi-fi hotspot four or five times a week for sessions of up to six hours. So far, according to malwarebytes, I've managed to pick up one suspicious cookie. I don't read email in html format, I don't click on emailed links without copying them to see what they REALLY link to, and I run a local proxy server (privoxy, formerly internet junkbuster) that blocks access to all ad-delivering sites, web-bugs, pop-ups, and pop-unders. I also run the windows firewall and have all the assorted remote access options blocked. If it ever does get hacked I'll wipe it and install a linux OS.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Interestingly, a lot of places I've been to over the past couple of years are all using XP for 'business' computing. Nowhere I know of has moved on to 7 or 8 based systems.

    When the last company I was at converted (finally!) to a fully computerised setup several years ago, I had a hand in advising what sort of system to get. This was at the height of the "Vista unclean!" talk, and before 7 came out, so I advised getting XP. When I left them last year, only some of the office admin machines had been changed to 7, none to 8. The main systems (that I used) were still XP, although the last I heard, those were being considered for an update to 7 sometime before XP's end-of-support, which I made sure they knew about. I'd be very surprised if my experience is unusual or uncommon.

    Yeah,

    The thing I kept finding with XP based systems was that they were great till you went online. The problem was that websites were being compiled with newer versions of HTML and other newer things that the version of IE that XP uses couldn't cope with. The computers were networked and if one had problems, they all did and things were regularly breaking down. The other thing was that nobody ever took the time to maintain the computers themselves. With your home setup, you're always cleaning up and defragging and checking the AV. Nobody seems to do that at work. In the last training establishment I was at, for security purposes, they disabled right clicking the mouse! I know, that was SO ridiculous and frustrating, having to keep using the Edit menu to do with several commands what one right click could do!

    When rolling out a new OS you have to make it an attractive and economically sound option for everyone. Companies don't always get the latest OS because they just can't afford to. There was talk of making Windows 9 free. If they did then everyone would get it and everyone would benefit.

    CHEERS!

  • JonnyRayJonnyRay Posts: 1,744
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Interestingly, a lot of places I've been to over the past couple of years are all using XP for 'business' computing. Nowhere I know of has moved on to 7 or 8 based systems.

    CHEERS!

    This is true, but that habit is coming to an end. With Microsoft's end of Support for Windows XP, companies (especially large ones) are migrating to Windows 7 as their new standard.

    Windows 8 doesn't even enter the picture for most of them .. the cost of re-training all of their end users is simply too high. This is why I could not understand what they were thinking with forcing everyone into a touchscreen interface when the vast majority of their userbase doesn't have devices capable to getting the most out of it.

    I was in the "Microsoft world" as a consultant when Windows 95 was released. Changing from Program Manager / File Manager to the Start Menu and Windows Explorer was a HUGE change and severely limited adoption among larger organizations. Windows 8 is a complete paradigm shift for most end users.

    Don't even get me started on Windows Server 2012 ... I'd like to find the idiot who put a touchscreen interface on a server operating system and slap them.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    That's cool, if I'm in the right place when they all roll out 7, I could find myself in the IT department! If businesses all start swearing by 7 then support for that will continue for long into the future, which for me will be a good thing as I won't have to upgrade my OS again for a loooooong time!

    CHEERS!

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