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The power button defaults to sending the shut down signal, same as using the Windows (or whatever) shut down button. It's only if you want to change what it does that it needs to be set up. That's been true for years - at least fro most if not all of this century.
BTW, I just found a way to shut down / restart etc. in Win 8 which only takes 3 clicks, just like in XP and Win 7:
Move mouse pointer to lower (or upper) right corner, click "Settings", click the "Power" button, then click "Shut Down".
No need to log off first and all that stuff.
On several occasions that I have seen when people hit the power button and send the machine to shut down while its running several programs the windows does not shut down correctly. and when you boot up it boots into start up menu prompting you to either boot into normal mode or safe mode.
While on that note I have seen this screen pop up on a lot of windows 8 Builds and then it gets stuck in a perpetual loop of the windows repair or restore screen to no avail.
I have experienced Win 7 go into sleep mode while in the middle of a download, because it was set to sleep after 15 minutes inactivity (default). In practice this apparently means user inactivity, and not system inactivity. The only way so solve it was to set it to never go to sleep automatically.
It's long ago it happened, don't know if they've fixed it since with an update. But it's really stupid bug, IMO. The programmer who did this may have been in sleep mode himself, I guess...
Its a bit of a hardware and software bug. I have had windows 7 Build go to sleep while watching a video. Best thing to do is to change the settings in power plan. Turn off the Display after 2 hours and then put the computer to sleep after 4. In laptops you have more options.
I was confused by that in Win 7 also, the first times.
Well if you don't use gmail or other cloud based services they are.
Great comments overall, many thanks.
I have limited experience... I once tried a $5/month service to play Qix on-line... folks should remember that when you have to go TO THEM instead of to your drawer or disc collection, the companies get to hit you with their latest pitch, plus on-line advertising if they have that on their web site. In situations which involve millions of page views this can be a heck of a nice sideline, mucho added value for the vendor syndicates and maybe some trickle down too for the users, although like you I'm not really a fan..
Btw, this sort of stuff was first "predicted" by U.S. writer Marge Piercy in her book Woman On The Edge Of Time, correct? Everybody clicking on their hand-held devices?
I agree playing speed is a big issue... just before DAZ really got going, I guess it was, I tried the EA game franchise "The Sims8" or something to that effect, I forget which one it was... My reason at the time was that I wanted to have a good look at how things stood with 3-D figure drawing technology, on the desktop. "The Sims" comes on DVD and is a long install... that's an awful lot of data to try and deliver as an on-line experience, I should think.
And what happens if there are two or more cloud users in the house, and other folks simultaneously want to watch a streaming TV service??? Things will bog down quickly I should think.
Btw, on my test install of Win7 here at this end I noticed the system phoning home to Redmond, Wash MANY MANY TIMES adding up to a real chunk of downtime in my view... You get an onscreen message, something like "now downloading update 27 of 127, please don't touch your computer". Have fun sitting and waiting if there was something you forgot, and need to get at.
Follow-up early 2014 - this page mentions extended support, by Microsoft, to the summer of 2015 for some of their XP anti-malware programs.
http://www.workintelligent.ly/technology/it/end-windows-xp-what-you-need-to-know
Yep, clouds have a long known attribute of evaporating. Not a good icon for stability if you ask me.
Clouds reminds me of an old stargate episode. All the people had a device that plugged into their head which accessed the computer network that held all their history. Well everytime the computer needed to update the history no one knew what they had just lost. It was as if it never existed.
I cannot see giving that kind of control to anyone or group as the case may be.
I read an article recently that mentioned that when Steve steps down that Bill is in the running to take back over again. IF so perhaps he will trash this stupid "for tablet and phone" UI for the desktops and laptops and get back down to business. I'm a Windows user. Tried MAC, tried Linux (for years) and I just don't get the functionality and control I want so I'm here to stay for the time being.
As for cloud computing... I see some benefit but nothing beats having full control and the type of security one desires in their own physical machine.
Especially FREE cloud computing.
The major bugbear I had with going from Windows 7 to 8 was drivers. I'm still running Win 7 drivers for the majority of my hardware. Ok yeah, my laptop is coming up to 2 years old so that might have had something to do with it. I got reeled in by that cheap upgrade offer, 7 was running just fine and there was no real need for me to switch to 8 at all. After one update that 8 did behind my back, I completely lost my fingerprint reader. The update wiped out the old driver, I tried reinstalling it, but it was having none of it, there is no 8 driver for it, so, I had to go back to using my password to log in.
As part of my new PC build, I will be using 7 as the OS, the major factor there is cost, I can get a hologram DVD of 7 Pro for around £50, compared to nearly £130 for the equivalent copy of 8. I had heard that 9 might be free, but it would have to be totally amazing for me to want to upgrade again.
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You know I love how all of these companies are saying how "Cloud" computing is the next big thing like it's something shiney and new. Back in the 70's, when we used terminals to connect to the mainframe and run our programs over the network we called this Distributed Computing.
Yeah, I've been around computers since the mid 60s and have watched the "technology du-jour" oscillate back and forth between localized and distributed a couple of times. It seems every now and then someone gets a bee up their bonnet and thinks putting everything on a centralized server is the best thing since sliced bread. Until they run flat dab into the same issues that soured the idea before. Kids, bah humbug, can't teach them a thing! They have to get burned to learn about fire.
Not saying that centralizing some things isn’t a plus, just don’t take my control away.
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Cloud computing will only work the day we have an internet free from DDOS attacks, router crashes, excavator-safe fiber trunks. I will never jeopardize everything and put all my eggs in that basket. Network infrastructure is still too fragile to be trusted.
That day will be never. There are some people that can't exist without hurting other people. If we are not willing to kill them or lock them up forever, this is the crappy world we get.
Yeah, cloud is a mixed bag. Besides the fact that it holds your data and you want it backed up as well if possible, it's how a company makes use of it that ranges from ugh to useful.
Adobe: I won't go near it.
DAZ is fine. It's only the content not the program and with the switch to zip files the sizes are more manageable for backup.
Amazon is very very useful but it can be a shock when a video you've stored on your Kindle suddenly disappears because of its expiration date. It makes sense and is something you've agreed to, but you just have to get used to it. Using the cloud via PC to dump renders into then immediately view on the Kindle is magic. As is syncing your position in a book on different devices you've used to read with. But there is no separate means of backup for games, apps, and books you've purchased. It's the cloud or nothing. So a lot of confidence in Amazon and its future is necessary.
As for MS versions I've had and gotten along with all of them from Win 3.1 through Win 7 where I am now. My problem from version to version has been Explorer more than anything which now assumes every jpg on your harddrive is a photo. Getting file size totals is also a bear. Microsoft's one-size-fits all mentality wouldn't be so bad if you were able to customize Explorer.
I forgot to mention in that article (on CNET but no longer have the link) it spoke of Windows 9 and did a comparison from previous versions for good and bad.
Windows ME *bad* but it's predecessor: Windows XP *good*
Windows Vista *bad* but it's predecessor: Windows 7 *good*
So now they are saying that Windows 8 *bad* and clunky because they are still tweaking things but say that in Windows 9 (hopefully *good*) they will start offering ALLOT more modifications for those that want something more "traditional". The article spoke of the reasoning behind why Windows 8 was released as it was. Version 8 filled a gap that MAC has had filled for a long time, ease of use for those non geek types that just want an everything UI, thus the tiles. I mean the idea isn't a horrible idea but making it a default for those that don't like that wasn't really fair and well, MS doesn't exactly charge what a new upgrade for MAC users get. They are paying a pittance for theirs compared to WIndows users so I certainly understand the frustration around that too. You pay big bucks and then hate the OS. No, not fair but it's what it is.
So hopefully with Windows 9 we can all dispense with the extra scripts to make Windows act the way we want it and hopefully those options will be native and we can all move forward.
It was for me as well, though after about 2 weeks of getting Windows 7 Pro Start Menu to look and act as my Windows XP Pro Start Menu did (I use a lot of categories to find what I want), I've grown to like Windows 7 Pro. I tried finding things on a friend's Windows 7 Home laptop and it was just impossible. Now she has Windows 8, and I cringe every time I go near it.
Here's hoping they get rid of that stupid Metro desktop completely with Windows 9.
I recently purchased a new computer loaded with Windows 8. Hated it until I did the free upgrade to Windows 8.1. (BTW, I also purchased a new monitor with a touch screen along with the computer so this probably plays into why I like 8.1...but 8 was a dog touch screen or not.)
I tried to upgrade to Windows 8.1 and ended up doing a total re-installation of Windows 8. During the upgrade my video drivers became corrupted and also some of the code that runs Windows Explorer. So basically when I booted into Windows 8.1 I had a black screen, no icons, no taskbar. I was on the phone with MS and permitted them to take over my computer to try to fix it. After 4 long hours we both concluded that I needed to reinstall.
So MAMA I'm A-SCARED to try that again! lol
It was for me as well, though after about 2 weeks of getting Windows 7 Pro Start Menu to look and act as my Windows XP Pro Start Menu did (I use a lot of categories to find what I want), I've grown to like Windows 7 Pro. I tried finding things on a friend's Windows 7 Home laptop and it was just impossible. Now she has Windows 8, and I cringe every time I go near it.
Here's hoping they get rid of that stupid Metro desktop completely with Windows 9.
A friend of mine swears by Windows 7. He too was a major XP fan.
Another friend says she cringes when she loads up her Windows 8 machine. Not too many fans of that operating system.
If only Daz could do a Linux version of Daz Studio... I imagine running DS with Mint 16... it would be so great!!
With KDE as desktop management... real desktop management... not like Windows 8.. I have a desktop computer, not a tablet or a smart phone, a desktop computer!!!!
The last version of Windows that made me swear was XP. On my first Dell laptop, msinstall got corrupted and it got worse with every update it failed to install. I lost the desktop icon for Internet Explorer and couldn't get it back. I sent the laptop away as it was just unusable. It took months for them to realise they couldn't fix it and send me a new one. That was fine, till the backlight went, but, my last one must have highlighted to them just how rubbish their servicing had been as they fixed that one within days. XP was never totally stable though and I had loads of memory dumps.
The last OS I felt right at home with was 7, I never had any trouble with that, however, once I upgraded to 8 there was no way I could go back to it. My new PC will have 7 on it.
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It was for me as well, though after about 2 weeks of getting Windows 7 Pro Start Menu to look and act as my Windows XP Pro Start Menu did (I use a lot of categories to find what I want), I've grown to like Windows 7 Pro. I tried finding things on a friend's Windows 7 Home laptop and it was just impossible. Now she has Windows 8, and I cringe every time I go near it.
Here's hoping they get rid of that stupid Metro desktop completely with Windows 9.
I kept XP for a long time, then I bought Win 7, tried it and went back to XP. Howver, last year, when I built my own machine, I gave 7 another go, and after weeks of messing around with 3rd-party apps (like Classic Shell), I finally beat it into submission. Now I'm quite happy with it, and my machine is a rocket.
Cloud - Seems to me like storing everything on a single hard drive, never making back-ups, and hoping you won't have an HDD crash. You *might* get away with it for a long time, but sooner or later, whatever can happen, does happen.
No thanks!
mac
Why did you need Classic Shell for 7!? I thought that put back what 8 took away, I wasn't aware of anything in 7 that you'd need a 3rd party app for.
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I tried to upgrade to Windows 8.1 and ended up doing a total re-installation of Windows 8. During the upgrade my video drivers became corrupted and also some of the code that runs Windows Explorer. So basically when I booted into Windows 8.1 I had a black screen, no icons, no taskbar. I was on the phone with MS and permitted them to take over my computer to try to fix it. After 4 long hours we both concluded that I needed to reinstall.
So MAMA I'm A-SCARED to try that again! lol
I'm running Windows 8 and I'm getting -.> 8.1 Is available.
So I'm Constantly clicking the REMIND ME LATER button.
As soon as I put a Shutdown button on the taskbar, I'm fine with Win8. (Better the devil you know).
The end of windows, is that M$ windows. I'm sure if that happened that would be the impetus for some other Software developer .to step in, or for everyone to fully focus on Linux. I keep wondering where Amiga O/S would be now it it had been constantly upgraded, because it was a significant downgrade to M$ at the time.
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Really glad Daz started releasing content as Zip. After re installing all my content, you should see the number of tiles it generates. Takes forever to scroll along the tiles without a touch screen. Not that I use the tiles, apart from selecting the Desktop one that is.
I know those stupid tiles record everything. They really should just give an option to turn off everything except for the executable 's and MAYBE the readme's or PDF's but even those can clutter up the tiled Start menu....
Classic Shell for Win 7 restores a lot of the functions of XP. For example, a status bar with file information that doesn't look like an ad for Cornflakes. It also replaces the Win 7 'overwrite file' stupidity with the old dialog.
Tbh, it's been so long now since I saw Win 7 in its original state, I can't remember most of the things Shell does - but it's a lot.
I also replaced Notepad with Notepad2, (which is infinitely superior), got rid of all the gadgets, and got myself a decent clock. Plus dozens of other fixes in the registry - Intuitive File Sorting, Disable Libraries, Take Ownership, Delay Taskbar Thumbs, etc.
Took me a while, but I'm happy with it now.
mac
I get that all the time, if the situation with the drivers isn't bad enough already, I get the horrible feeling that 8.1 may make it even worse, so I too hit 'remind me later'.
I still want to keep this laptop around as a backup, mind you, once I get the disc for 7, I might consider sticking it on here, we'll see....
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