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I would be content if the inevitable schoolgirl outfit is not made by some of the usual suspects for pro bundle content. That would make my day.
Can you explain please? I'm not sure if I got you right. Which suspects? Did you mean aspects - like skimpwear?
Can you explain please? I'm not sure if I got you right. Which suspects? Did you mean aspects - like skimpwear?
I think he means made by the artists that pretty much have the schoolgirl outift market cornered.
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I think he means made by the artists that pretty much have the schoolgirl outift market cornered.While I have the greatest of respect for all the PAs involved, there are some who produce a lot of DAZ O content that don't include many morphs. The construction is definitely up to DAZ standards, but there isn't much flexibility. Action morphs, opening morphs, sitting morphs, etc., are missing. Now these items are usually extremely inexpensive to compensate, but it's just a smidge frustrating because their presence at the low end of the price range makes it more difficult for other folks to make essentially similar outfits but with more flexibility. They're always competing with the DAZ O's.
There are 'usual suspects' who I'd love to see attack the schoolgirl outfit, and other Anime tropes, such as Hongyu, but as far as I know they don't really do G2F stuff (except the one). And if they did, it would not likely be in the bundles.
-- Morgan
Oh, yes, would be nice to see some new items for G2F from Hongyu, probably not as part of the bundle, true, but would appreciate some new items. Love that OOT creates a lot of G2F items (both here and at Rendo), so I am hoping for one / some new item(s) for Aiko 6, though again not part of the bundle I assume. I am counting on SickleYield, too :) I am never disappointed with SickleYield's items and morphs in them. 3D Wizard is probably still busy with the body suit (looking forward to that one :) ).
Would be nice to convince some further vendors at Rendo to work on G2F ... Quite a few vendors there are asian aligned and throw in a lot of morphs in clothing items.
Edit to add: At times one can transfer morphs from other items easily. That doesn't always work, but I got a good hit and miss ratio.
I think he means made by the artists that pretty much have the schoolgirl outift market cornered.While I have the greatest of respect for all the PAs involved, there are some who produce a lot of DAZ O content that don't include many morphs. The construction is definitely up to DAZ standards, but there isn't much flexibility. Action morphs, opening morphs, sitting morphs, etc., are missing.
That would be my interpretation, too.
I've got jackets where I've added dozens of morphs, such as billowing up for when a character is on the descending part of a leap, the appropriate motions for a 100 mile/hour run, or a "centripital motion" style flare-out for a fast turn. Not to mention opening up a sword cut or two.
I went to the trouble of rigging a shirt, jacket, tie, and scarf, because morphs weren't up to what I wanted. The scarf is my own, I should put it in the store.
I think he means made by the artists that pretty much have the schoolgirl outift market cornered.While I have the greatest of respect for all the PAs involved, there are some who produce a lot of DAZ O content that don't include many morphs. The construction is definitely up to DAZ standards, but there isn't much flexibility. Action morphs, opening morphs, sitting morphs, etc., are missing. Now these items are usually extremely inexpensive to compensate, but it's just a smidge frustrating because their presence at the low end of the price range makes it more difficult for other folks to make essentially similar outfits but with more flexibility. They're always competing with the DAZ O's.
There are 'usual suspects' who I'd love to see attack the schoolgirl outfit, and other Anime tropes, such as Hongyu, but as far as I know they don't really do G2F stuff (except the one). And if they did, it would not likely be in the bundles.
-- Morgan
Yeah, that's something that bothers me too. I have the occasional Hongyu and 3DAge item, but the clothing with the really awesome dynamic morphs (open, up, down, left, right, you name it) tend to be skimp-wear. Or jeans. Neither really useful to me.
The upside? I've gotten pretty good at using deformers, though I have issues with using multiple one area still. I'd rather just buy them, honestly.
I'd like to see DAZ produce a lower patch/poly character 'chassis' to be used for the more toon-esque characters: A6, BelBel2/ChibiBel2(PLEEAASSEE!!!)
It didn't make sense for A3/XinXin and BelBel to be based on the VERY high poly Vickie 3 (instead of the Lo-Res equivalent), when they were emulating cartoons...simplified, stylized human characters.
This was PROBABLY why it still is such a friggin' P.I.T.A. to try to come up with facial morphs for A3/Xin, and, as a RESULT, WHY she frequently looks like she just came back from the planet Vulcan...and why, if you push her facial morphs a BIT too far, you get the buckling from the face polygons running into/over each other.
A clean, low poly toon-based mesh would make a LOT of this easier (facial expressions, body morphs)...and would give DAZ another way to sell characters to the various fans.
It would work especially well NOW, as BOTH DAZ & Poser now have Subdivision surfaces intregated in their respective programs. Toon character meshes could be like HD morphs...but on the OTHER end of the scale...Low patch meshes, that, when subdivided, might be back down to a reasonable 20,000 polys (instead of Genesis i's/A3's 75,000+ polys), and would be a LOT easier to take into your modeller to create expressions and body morphs. (What with a MUCH more manageable patch count)
Simple. Light. Efficient. Clean.
Size an Aiko 6 based on this 'chassis' to G1F & G2F body dimensions, and she has a BIG wardrobe waiting for her!
That's my 2 bits, anyhoo. Hopefully it makes sense...
Be well, all.
Greg
(P.S. PLEASE...can we have a new BelBel& ChibiBel at some point? And a new XinXin morph? :snake: )
This requires DAZ to contact Yamato (BelBel creator\ ChibiBel co-creator, XinXin creator) and Billy T (ChibiBel co-creator) using the info they got on file. Most Japanese Poser vendors - at least the ones who did A3 stuff - had gone AWOL. Yamato's last post was in the forum archive, and was dated March 2006, since then he was nowhere to be found. Billy T sells clothes on Rendo, but his last new product was released 2 years ago I think.
Then again, stranger stuff had been plotted by DAZ...
~GO
Seconded!
This requires DAZ to contact Yamato (BelBel creator\ ChibiBel co-creator, XinXin creator) and Billy T (ChibiBel co-creator) using the info they got on file. Most Japanese Poser vendors - at least the ones who did A3 stuff - had gone AWOL. Yamato's last post was in the forum archive, and was dated March 2006, since then he was nowhere to be found. Billy T sells clothes on Rendo, but his last new product was released 2 years ago I think.
Then again, stranger stuff had been plotted by DAZ...
~GO
Bummer.
Do we have a thread that tells how to create morphs for the Genesis figures? I'd love to figure out how to use my Lightwave to re-create the Xin morph for the A3 Genesis shape.
I wonder if it's possible to twist Genesis I into Bel or Chibi in Lightwave? Hmmm... :)
I think he means made by the artists that pretty much have the schoolgirl outift market cornered.While I have the greatest of respect for all the PAs involved, there are some who produce a lot of DAZ O content that don't include many morphs. The construction is definitely up to DAZ standards, but there isn't much flexibility. Action morphs, opening morphs, sitting morphs, etc., are missing. Now these items are usually extremely inexpensive to compensate, but it's just a smidge frustrating because their presence at the low end of the price range makes it more difficult for other folks to make essentially similar outfits but with more flexibility. They're always competing with the DAZ O's.
There are 'usual suspects' who I'd love to see attack the schoolgirl outfit, and other Anime tropes, such as Hongyu, but as far as I know they don't really do G2F stuff (except the one). And if they did, it would not likely be in the bundles.
-- Morgan
Now I got that, thanks. I agree. It is almost as if some people were specifically designing bundle items. My perfect dream come true would be a set of stuff by Sickleyield, Ravenhair and Aave Nainen for clothes, Raiya, Valea, P3D and FWArt for characters, Valea, Goldtassel, AprilYSH and 3DCelebrity for hairstyles plus Stonemason, Valandar and Jack Tomalin for props.
Greetings,
O_o! And cheap at only $499.97 for the pro-pack! ;)-- Morgan
-- Morgan
Careful wut u ask for...
~GO
This requires DAZ to contact Yamato (BelBel creator\ ChibiBel co-creator, XinXin creator) and Billy T (ChibiBel co-creator) using the info they got on file. Most Japanese Poser vendors - at least the ones who did A3 stuff - had gone AWOL. Yamato's last post was in the forum archive, and was dated March 2006, since then he was nowhere to be found. Billy T sells clothes on Rendo, but his last new product was released 2 years ago I think.Presumably DAZ3D has contact information for all the PAs on file. I expect the PAs want their share of the money from the sales of their models.
Their 'piece of the action' has to go somewhere, right? I assume they are still collecting royalties, unless DAZ bought BelBel and ChibiBel and most of Yamato's bit of the Made in Japan bundle. Other than that, I hear not a peep from them...
~GO
Their 'piece of the action' has to go somewhere, right? I assume they are still collecting royalties, unless DAZ bought BelBel and ChibiBel and most of Yamato's bit of the Made in Japan bundle. Other than that, I hear not a peep from them...
~GO
Actually DAZ owns the rights to XinXin. That's why it shows up and discounts as a DAZ original. While DAZ chooses to keep the creators names in the list, they are not required. Some vendors don't care either if their name is listed on a buy out, others want their names removed (Stonemason had DAZ remove his name from a number of older PC products recently), and some DAZ keeps the name attached because it boosts customer sales.
This requires DAZ to contact Yamato (BelBel creator\ ChibiBel co-creator, XinXin creator) and Billy T (ChibiBel co-creator) using the info they got on file. Most Japanese Poser vendors - at least the ones who did A3 stuff - had gone AWOL. Yamato's last post was in the forum archive, and was dated March 2006, since then he was nowhere to be found. Billy T sells clothes on Rendo, but his last new product was released 2 years ago I think.
Then again, stranger stuff had been plotted by DAZ...
~GO
Billy-t's latest release is from April 2014 ...
Bummer.
Do we have a thread that tells how to create morphs for the Genesis figures? I'd love to figure out how to use my Lightwave to re-create the Xin morph for the A3 Genesis shape.
I wonder if it's possible to twist Genesis I into Bel or Chibi in Lightwave? Hmmm... :)
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/24093/
There are 'usual suspects' who I'd love to see attack the schoolgirl outfit, and other Anime tropes, such as Hongyu, but as far as I know they don't really do G2F stuff (except the one). And if they did, it would not likely be in the bundles.
-- Morgan
Now I got that, thanks. I agree. It is almost as if some people were specifically designing bundle items. My perfect dream come true would be a set of stuff by Sickleyield, Ravenhair and Aave Nainen for clothes, Raiya, Valea, P3D and FWArt for characters, Valea, Goldtassel, AprilYSH and 3DCelebrity for hairstyles plus Stonemason, Valandar and Jack Tomalin for props.
You're all right, of course, that was precisely what I meant. And I would like to echo the statement, that more Gen2F stuff by Hongyu would be neat.
But if we're going by artists who would, at least in theory, do stuff for Gen2F and for new characters in particular - I would like to see sickleyield tackle a school uniform.
I think DogZ did some really nice outfits as well.
Or DAZ simply kidnap 3D-Age's (or hameleon's or supernova's) pet dog / cat / hamster / lizard / piranha / giraffe / miniature Willem Dafoe / etc. and force them to convert to Genesis 2 :D
I'm rather hoping that Aiko 6 will be a more anime-esque figure than Aiko 5 turned out to be. Don't misunderstand, I love Aiko 5 and all but she's a far more 'real' figure than the Aiko of old and less stylized which would be the main reason I would want to pick her up.
There are 'usual suspects' who I'd love to see attack the schoolgirl outfit, and other Anime tropes, such as Hongyu, but as far as I know they don't really do G2F stuff (except the one). And if they did, it would not likely be in the bundles.
-- Morgan
Now I got that, thanks. I agree. It is almost as if some people were specifically designing bundle items. My perfect dream come true would be a set of stuff by Sickleyield, Ravenhair and Aave Nainen for clothes, Raiya, Valea, P3D and FWArt for characters, Valea, Goldtassel, AprilYSH and 3DCelebrity for hairstyles plus Stonemason, Valandar and Jack Tomalin for props.
You're all right, of course, that was precisely what I meant. And I would like to echo the statement, that more Gen2F stuff by Hongyu would be neat.
But if we're going by artists who would, at least in theory, do stuff for Gen2F and for new characters in particular - I would like to see sickleyield tackle a school uniform.
I think DogZ did some really nice outfits as well.
Or DAZ simply kidnap 3D-Age's (or hameleon's or supernova's) pet dog / cat / hamster / lizard / piranha / giraffe / miniature Willem Dafoe / etc. and force them to convert to Genesis 2 :D
The boys' one I did for Genesis barely sold enough to justify its existence. If I were to do one for girls, it would be a knee-length one based on real uniform catalogues, not a "Sailor Moon" style with the itty bitty skirt, and I'm not sure that would really sell enough copies either.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy making clothes. But doing supermorphing clothing takes more work than anything else I do, and DAZ is pickier about clothing than any other category I've submitted, so there's much more risk as well. It gets mentally and emotionally exhausting for me now, and I'm less likely to do it for anything that isn't quick (as tiny outfits like the ones from the morph add-ons I do are quick) or a guaranteed seller (as with suits and tuxes, stressful but worth it) or the jackpot of both (Genre Undergarments G2M).
I think BelBel and ChibiBel were actually alternate geometry, not just morphs. So the shape would need to be created from scratch in the Genesis mesh -- you wouldn't be able to use Kattey's method or GenX to convert the morphs.
However, A3, the A3 full morph set, and Kioki do convert with GenX quite well. :) They are quite different in style from A5, so I find them very useful. (I also have conversions of H3 and Hitoro for Genesis. Eventually I may do these for G2F and G2M.)
I'd love to see more of the anime and manga styled morphs for Genesis and Genesis 2. I've played around with making toon morphs, including classical exaggerated anime/manga expressions, but I'm not very fast yet.
SickleYield, I feel badly that the male Japanese school uniform didn't do very well, because I know I requested it. I use it all the time. I should buy another copy or something.
For any of you who like anime and manga who don't have that outfit yet, I highly recommend it!
http://www.daz3d.com/japanese-school-uniforms-for-boys
It has loads of great morphs. Looks great on female characters, too. I'll post some examples later (I'm at work at the moment).
Edited to add: obviously, I used it in this image:
I think BelBel and ChibiBel were actually alternate geometry, not just morphs. So the shape would need to be created from scratch in the Genesis mesh -- you wouldn't be able to use Kattey's method or GenX to convert the morphs.
However, A3, the A3 full morph set, and Kioki do convert with GenX quite well. :) They are quite different in style from A5, so I find them very useful. (I also have conversions of H3 and Hitoro for Genesis. Eventually I may do these for G2F and G2M.)
I'd love to see more of the anime and manga styled morphs for Genesis and Genesis 2. I've played around with making toon morphs, including classical exaggerated anime/manga expressions, but I'm not very fast yet.
SickleYield, I feel badly that the male Japanese school uniform didn't do very well, because I know I requested it. I use it all the time. I should buy another copy or something.
For any of you who like anime and manga who don't have that outfit yet, I highly recommend it!
http://www.daz3d.com/japanese-school-uniforms-for-boys
It has loads of great morphs. Looks great on female characters, too. I'll post some examples later (I'm at work at the moment).
Don't feel bad! With a lot of items it's hard to know if it will be wanted by just the dozen or so that request it, or the 200+ I need to buy it in the intro period to pay back the time it takes on a full body morphing outfit (as opposed to a skimpy one that's much easier to rig and morph). Most of those conjectural buyers will be people that never use the forum, so I only know what they want by what they buy.
So far they really like morph add-ons with tiny outfits. Both sexes. The Gianni one performed about as well as the girls did. But then, my sales never reflect the gender divide of "female stuff does much better," because I tend to turn in my best performance on male items (because I just like making male items).
This is a good point on skimpwear, and something that a lot of us who complain about the prevalence of skimpwear (or the relative scarcity of "practical" clothes) either don't realize, or kind of know but don't always remember!
This is a good point on skimpwear, and something that a lot of us who complain about the prevalence of skimpwear (or the relative scarcity of "practical" clothes) either don't realize, or kind of know but don't always remember!
Oh yes. I enjoy making full outfits, but the commercial risk on them is much greater. To even work on a large clothing set nowadays I have to "pay for" my time in advance with a different product I know is likely to succeed. There are artists I assume get things turned down less often than I do, of course. And I don't really want to compete with them, either. ;)
What Sickle says is totally logical (while not reasonable - see, logic applied to the amount of skimpwear in each shop shows clearly people like such things, because they buy them - otherwise vendors wouldn't make them or would do, but release as freebies due to the fact they wouldn't sell anyway). It is actually damn sad. PAs like Sickle pay so much attention to the details and really think about what they do - and what? A simple bikini gets more sales than a full uniform for boys! It's RIDICULOUS!
I think the situation with Cloth Outfit. It is stunning, but DAZ refused to include it in the shop. I couldn't understand that - so much work and effort put into creating it! It ended as a freebie. So I expect people like Sickleyield, who are not only very good at their job, but also have a real passion for it, will make clothes that don't sell well, but are inspiring - yet, only in their free time and they'll release them as freebies.
It isn't an issue of time or effort, it's a specific visual quality that they're looking for. In particular, I have a hard time making wrinkles in just the right way that they want; and if they're not happy with the base mesh and texture (as they weren't with the cloth outfit), obviously they're not going to care about the rigging and morphs. All I can do there is keep trying different stuff until I figure out what it is that I do that makes something look "right" for the store.
It isn't an issue of time or effort, it's a specific visual quality that they're looking for. In particular, I have a hard time making wrinkles in just the right way that they want; and if they're not happy with the base mesh and texture (as they weren't with the cloth outfit), obviously they're not going to care about the rigging and morphs. All I can do there is keep trying different stuff until I figure out what it is that I do that makes something look "right" for the store.
I will say Sickle, I love your sweaters and jeans and suits. Some of which you sell here, others you sell...elsewhere. I actually like the jeans, shirts and sweaters even more than the suits because I can use them in a wider variety of renders. And just to let you know: I buy your stuff expressly because of the awesome morphs you do. There are others that are like that as well, though you seem to be one of the few that both does lots of clothing morphs and does them on male clothing.
I will say Sickle, I love your sweaters and jeans and suits. Some of which you sell here, others you sell...elsewhere. I actually like the jeans, shirts and sweaters even more than the suits because I can use them in a wider variety of renders. And just to let you know: I buy your stuff expressly because of the awesome morphs you do. There are others that are like that as well, though you seem to be one of the few that both does lots of clothing morphs and does them on male clothing.
Thank you!