HATE NEW DESIGN! Bring Back Shoip Dropdown Menu, PLEASE...!
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The first thing that struck me when I saw the new design was how cluttered and confusing it is on a first glance. I'm sure we'll be getting used to it, but as a first impression, I feel it's a bad sign. Imho, The cluttered design with its oversized thumbnails and lack of a convenient sidebar just doesn't have the old store's inviting charme that made you want to browse around and go for a good old shopping frenzy.
wiz: The comparison to Renderosity's recent design change sprung to my mind as well. To be perfectly honest, I never got quite used to it. I see how these huge thumbnails may cater to the mobile crowd, which is nice and all, but "one size fits all"? For me, it really spoiled the experience of browsing the site on my desktop screen.
...I've made that comparison myself as well.
I never browse at Rendo as the site is just too cluttered looking to stare at for any length of time. Even the freebies page is hard to look at after a while (I prefer ShareCG and a lot of the same items get posted there as well). If I see something or hear of something that might suit my interests (like through an email promo or comment in a forum thread) I will go and take a look but it' just too visually "painful" to go window shopping there.
I agree. I feel dizzy from all of the sideway scrolling. I came here to look for some stuff for a project, but I give up.
I felt the previous version was more intuitive and complete. I'll have a hard time getting used to this version. But I do like the bigger thumbs.
I definitely miss the drop-downs. It was so much quicker to navigate the forums rather than having to backtrack to the 'root' to jump between Commons and Daz Studio, for example. The store layout will certainly take some getting used to, not least of all because it's now apparently impossible to look for different categories such as props, clothing or morphs and so forth.
To be honest, it feels like a bit of a step backwards. Replacing functionality with style. I don't mind them taking a more stylistic approach to the site, but I wish they wouldn't compromise the ability to find what you're looking for.
New site is just awful.
Clunky to navigate. Having to do way too much scrolling. Up/down sideways!
Why are the thumbs so huge?
Why do the header bars have to take up my entire screen?
Site is no better on my mobile so certainly not leaning towards that designwise.
In fact it doesn't appear to be formatted correctly. Apart from the second scrolling header bar, everything else is crammed down the left hand side, and the thumbs are tiny!!
My son is a Professional web designer and he always makes sure that his sites work properly on all browsers.
He also said that he thinks the new shop site is horrendous.
There are certainly things to like about the new site. However, I dislike the fact that my control over my experience has been limited. It would be nice if the UI was more customizable. One of the big advantages of the old site was that you could search for things as in-depth as you chose to. If you were just skimming things you didn't have to get too specific, but if you wanted to, you could. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case.
Also, it seems that the filter by Figure is limited to Gen 4 and up. I know I may be one of only a dozen or so people who still use Gen 3 (& even Gen 2 on occasion) in addition to Gen 4-6 but those products are still available. Now there doesn't seem to be a way to search for these items. I only know that the old stuff is still available because I manually searched for a known item. It doesn't seem to me that adding the older Gen 1-3 figures into the Figure filter list has a downside. I mean, they'd be at the bottom of the list. I can't imagine how this would even be an inconvenience for those, obviously the majority, only looking for newer content. If you are going to sell something but it's hidden, you can't take the money I want to give to you.
To put it more plainly: If I can't find something... I can't buy it.
I've seen that it's possible that this is not the final final version of the site and that there will possibly be some tweaks to the UI, so I'm cautiously optimistic. But if I can't search for the older stuff, I'll be spending much less money here. :down:
Also, I've seen that one of the main reasons for the UI style is to make the site more accessible for mobile users. If this is true, I'm wondering what the real benefit is. I mean, I'm genuinely curious here; do a lot of people use this site via mobile devices ? And if so, why? I know that seems confrontational but that's not my intent. I'm genuinely curious as to the value in coming to DAZ with a device of constrained visual capacity. I mean, even if you just use it to purchase content at a convenient time, you still gave to d/l to a conventional system to use it. Is there a mobile version (phone/tablet) of DS that I'm unaware of? Is DAZ prepping for an eventual move to being a cloud/server-side application? Even then, it seems to me that, even without significant client-side restrictions, even a large tablet is impractical for working on 3D CG.
Anyway, I know all things must change. And I'm sure that by the time I'm cool with this version, a new one will come along. And that's OK. Truth be told, I don't really mind change; but I can't endorse it at the expense of functionality. If a feature that I use is eliminated in the process of an "upgrade", then I don't really see it see it as a benefit (subjectively speaking). Maybe that's just me...
Hey, who moved my cheese!
Wow, you can hide all the items you already own? I can forgive a lot of changes over that alone. Assuming it works ;).
I have to play with it a bit to get used to it before I can form a reasonable opinion, but it sure runs a lot smoother than the last time you tried this.
Items per page: ALL
Yay, finally! \o/
Thanks for the update. Works fine here, and way better on tablet.
I just hope the disappearance of the drop-down menus won't mean that some categories might go extinct, like FastGrab - which has had inferior content for some months now and didn't update much, granted probably linked to festivals and such.
Not sure the prices are very visible apart from the "what's hot" corner.
Especially discounts, and I would welcome a filter "by discount" in the wishlist.
Actually, let's go crazy, I'd love a "minimal discount to be displayed" option :D
Basically, an advanced search option with also some of stuff you took out from the drop down menus.
Anyway, for blasting past the 64 items per page, I can only say congratulations...
Cheers
I agree, my phone is for calling and not trolling the web or shopping and i have stayed away from windows 8 because of the UI and layout
YES!
I never got that before the site change. DAZ3D keeps a copy of my credit card number. The optics here are double-plus-ungood. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
I do! I have a job that takes up roughly twelve hours a day, five-six days a week, and I'm paid on commission. Which means if I want to take five minutes and look at the DAZ website, I can, because I'm not paid hourly. So I'll frequently see something in the morning, then look at it a time or three during the day, deciding if I want to spend money on it or not, and usually wind up buying it from my phone. Not to mention sometimes there's those time-specific sales, where it'll be advertised as "Four Hours Only!" and then wind up running for a week. But what if it really was four hours only? Must buy right now!!! ;)
And then there's times I'm stuck in traffic jams, or waiting in a nine-mile long line at the store. Content browsing keeps me from getting aggravated, know what I mean? So for me, I'm totally thrilled to be able to see the content better on my phone. In fact, I found out about the website update while I was stuck in traffic. It had me so happy, actually seeing the stuff clearly on my phone, that I was almost disappointed when I had to shut it off and drive again.
I liked the drop down menus because there was one and only one thing I ever looked at: New Releases. And I used the forum dropdown for shortcuts to The Commons, Members Only, etc. Granted, new releases is now the 'default' when you land at the main shop page, except that you have a MASSIVE amount of real estate wasted on those two carousels that take up nearly the entire height of the landing window, forcing you to scroll down a LOT just to get to the actual new product content. First thing I did was add custom AdBlock+ rules to get rid of those heinous carousels. I suspect there will be a few other rules that need to be added to block crap to make the new site usable, too, as I explore it more.
Renderosity's new site is an abomination. It has dramatically reduced the amount of time I browse their new content, and thus the number of sales. They have also deliberately named elements to make it hard to create blocking rules to filter out all the useless crap that wastes screen real estate. However, RuntimeDNA has out-done all of them with how horrid their new site is now, especially with all the fixed-width stuff that requires your browser basically be maximized in order to view properly, and they've taken a very defensive and hostile response pattern to the numerous complaints from users about this, basically calling their users losers for not having a display large enough to view their site. (Keep in mind, their size requirements are too large to view even on some current laptop displays...) As such, I now do not look at their shop AT ALL any more, and just use a bookmark direct to their forums. Their loss. Website changes like this that are user-hostile, such as those carousels, are a good way to drive away business, not gain new sales...
I never got that before the site change. DAZ3D keeps a copy of my credit card number. The optics here are double-plus-ungood. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
I've just tried on 2 different browsers and don't see anything like that.. anyone else get it?
I do it mostly to check a product, or to have a quick glance at what new items have been released to see if it might be interesting to check later from the PC.
I usually download my content in batches rather than immediately anyway, so the "not being able to download from phone/tablet" part is not a problem for me.
I do! I have a job that takes up roughly twelve hours a day, five-six days a week, and I'm paid on commission. Which means if I want to take five minutes and look at the DAZ website, I can, because I'm not paid hourly. So I'll frequently see something in the morning, then look at it a time or three during the day, deciding if I want to spend money on it or not, and usually wind up buying it from my phone. Not to mention sometimes there's those time-specific sales, where it'll be advertised as "Four Hours Only!" and then wind up running for a week. But what if it really was four hours only? Must buy right now!!! ;)
And then there's times I'm stuck in traffic jams, or waiting in a nine-mile long line at the store. Content browsing keeps me from getting aggravated, know what I mean? So for me, I'm totally thrilled to be able to see the content better on my phone. In fact, I found out about the website update while I was stuck in traffic. It had me so happy, actually seeing the stuff clearly on my phone, that I was almost disappointed when I had to shut it off and drive again.
Okay, this redesign is good for folks using mobile devices.
So why was it rolled out to www.daz3d.com as well as m.daz3d.com?
Try using the site on an iPhone. Whoever was the designer for that functionality should be fired and employed bagging groceries.
Actually DAZ 3D doesn't, as was explained some time ago. That information isn't held anywhere on the DAZ 3D site.
I can't find anything on the new site: no promotions, no FastGrab, no new releases. Links are still there because I can load those pages from history and bookmarks but the site itself doesn't seem to have them anymore. I can't filter items in-depth and I can't browse Gen 3 items at all which is strange as those items still very much usable on Genesis with all clones and such. As people can't find them and therefore can't buy them, I'm afraid that those items will be quietly retired 'because they don't sell' which also not a good news.
Design is not properly done as on desktop when I enlarge the font (so I can read stuff better), the site becomes a mess, full of overlapping and broken details of layout. When I scale down, it is even worse, with menus jumping to the left and right and content handing in the middle. Webdesign 101: site should scale well on every popular browser (I use Firefox) and every reasonably popular platform (I use Win7 PC). This one doesn't.
Couple of new useful functions (hide items I own, etc) don't diminish huge PITA that this site had become. And still no end date to sales on this new site, which I'm still finding to be a despicable marketing tactic.
When I tried to search for Genesis outfit, instead of giving me a list of appropriate items (I was aiming for Genesis Rage outfit but pretended I forgot the full name), the site shovels categories in my face first, putting more clicks/presses between me and the object of my search. Why would it show categories at all if I'm clearly not filtering and not browsing but searching for a separate item? That kind of functionality is absurd. In general site tend to shovel into my face categories first when it isn't sure what I am doing, putting more clicks between me and result. And site isn't very clever so it does it often.
Instead of subtly adding up new items to cart like it was before so I can continue shopping without interruption, the store flashes full-page cart into my face, which is incredibly annoying. Yes, it goes away, but it was much better shopping before it started to happen.
Quickcart doesn't work anymore.
Shopping cart (when I click it from the right corner of the screen) doesn't show separate prices on items, only bulk sum (this is on Firefox, Opera, strangely, seem to see it). This is just horrible.
When you browse through the promo pictures for the new items, small navigational icons on each side of the picture are too small and require a very precise press/click, so new huge pictures open up mostly when I don't want them.
Site is also very sluggish and I don't think it is because suddenly thousands of people are on it. It is just slow. It took 15 seconds to load the cart on the screen. 15. Seconds.
For whatever small useful benefits it now provides, the negative functionality is much bigger. It is just plain uncomfortable experience to shop.
Actually DAZ 3D doesn't, as was explained some time ago. That information isn't held anywhere on the DAZ 3D site.
I never have to key it in, so DAZ3D has alternate, automated access to it somehow...
But it's the optics of the thing, not the actuality. The store looks insecure.
At least they added a "See All" button which jumps to the full results.
It works in my Opera but not Firebox. I tried various scales and still no luck.
So the only moment where DAZ would have your details would be when you enter a new card and they send it to the processor for storage, and stealing the user ID and payment mean ID wouldn't be of much use to anyone as they're most probably specific to the DAZ shop.
(yes, I've worked on integrating a 3rd pary payment processor in an e-commerce site recently, how did you know? ^^)
If DAZ wanted to make an app for mobile devices, fine. But make it so that those who do not use mobile devices for such things are not forced to deal with the current mess.
DAZ wanted a download manager. They came up with one. They also had the good sense with that to realize that not everyone was going to use it. So, they include manual download links.
I used to view Hivewire as the worst of lot. Unfinished, unprofessional. Proven to lack security. You can tell me the site is still secure but if I don't feel secure using it, I won't. I haven't used Hivewire since their security breach and I had to go through all the problems in fixing the mess they let happen.
Put the drop down back. If I can't log on and go to the promotions page because I can't find it, I won't. Same goes for any of the other pages I would jump to if I didn't see anything I wanted more information on.
As for DAZ following trends, that isn't always a good thing. Trends are short term and aren't always beneficial.
Thanks!!! I see it now. Yeah, as far as stuff like this goes, the old design was much more intuitive, IMO. With such a drastic re-arranging of the layout, maybe a link to a *shudder* tutorial of some kind showing where things are now might be beneficial.
I do like the fact that you can select multiple items in Filter category. For instance, you can filter by both V3 and A3 in a single search. That's cool. But I do miss the sub-categories. I hope those still come back. As it stands, I think the categories are too broad - even a bit esoteric. I thought having the sub-categories made non-keyword searches very logical and intuitive.
Also, since it seems to have become worse, what did poor David 3 do to the folks at DAZ? It seems harder and harder to track down any D3 related content. With the last site, he was missing as a Figure filter option at all and although he's back now, if you filter by David 3 (using the above technique) you get exactly thirteen items (of which, I apparently have 1 already purchased). 8-/ Also, they are all Hair. Um, I know there hundreds of various D3 products on the site (and more than just hair). Heck, if I go to my Product Library and search by 'David', I get 30+ items. If I enter 'D3', I get another dozen and I'm sure that there's even more compatible content in my Product Library that just don't have David or D3 in the name. I just wonder what the guy did to be so neglected. %-P
The lack of broad search for the older stuff was a scary prospect and since there seems be to a solution, even an obscure one, my other gripes are somewhat minor.
MEH site is MEH. :blank: :blank:
OK, here's one I don't believe anyone has mentioned yet. If I purchase a product and wish to obtain the texture templates for the same, where do I find those now?
On the "old" site there was a tab on the product page titled "Resources" that gave links to the templates, but that is gone now. I checked my product listings to see if they might have started including them as available downloads, but nope.
I know that not all products have texture templates, but I checked some that I know do have them, and could not find access to them anywhere.