HATE NEW DESIGN! Bring Back Shoip Dropdown Menu, PLEASE...!

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited November 2014

    OK, here’s one I don’t believe anyone has mentioned yet. If I purchase a product and wish to obtain the texture templates for the same, where do I find those now?

    They are in your Product Library, alongside the product downloads.

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  • WolfmanjimWolfmanjim Posts: 33
    edited December 1969

    I want to be able to filter products that are usable in Poser. That to me is more important than sorting by genre.

    WHY do web folks think they have to fix what is not broken.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited November 2014

    Based on previous experience in these forums this debacle too shall pass. Not that that will make me happy, but DAZ won't go back to the old system, and the programmers will be assured of a year or two of employment to reimplement what has been lost and try to convince us that we really wanted the new features and behaviors regardless of how obtuse they are.

    However, for now we will have a few weeks of quality bitch time in this forum. See, there's a silver lining to every cloud. 8-o

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited November 2014

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...looks sort of "Windows 8-Metroish" to me (and I'm viewing it on XP).

    Has this been done for the benefit of smartphones and tablets (neither of which I have)? if so, why couldn't they just develop a Daz App for them and leave things the way they were for the rest of us?...

    Do people really order DAZ products on phones and tablets? Can we expect a to see DAZ Studio run on a phone, "soon"? 8-O

    My phone has a one-inch screen, am I out of luck?

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  • BalooBaloo Posts: 71
    edited November 2014

    You're out of the segment defined as "has money to spend", whose people are instant-buying from their couch before going back to their computer. On tablets or phones.

    [edited to say "on tablets or phones", it's relevant to understand that "mobile" is not online phone]

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  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited December 1969

    They are in your Product Library, alongside the product downloads.

    No, Cho, they are not. Here's an example: SciFi Bunny For Genesis has a texture template contained in the self-extracting archive file "13265_1_tx_SciFiBunnyForGenesis_1.exe". I know this because I downloaded it previously from the old "Resources" tab on the product page. Here's a screen cap of the item's available downloads on my product download page. So, again, where are the texture templates located/how do we access them?

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  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,371
    edited December 1969

    Some good changes here.

    Some I have to become familiar with.......

    But the wishlist.... please put it back on one page I scroll through.... it is much better to view and compare that way.

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    edited December 1969

    Cypherfox said:
    Greetings,
    Mattymanx said:
    Rob, shopping from mobile devices.

    Am I the only one that hated the drop downs they had before?

    Nope; they were completely annoying to me. Doubly so because 50% of the time I spent shopping on this site was on an iPad, and the link did double duty. If you actually 'clicked' it (which is what a touch event was treated as) it browsed to 'New Items'. But a touch was ALSO treated as a hover by the store code, so the first thing it did was put up a big dialog with the drop-down in it, but you couldn't select anything because SURPRISE! it was already going to New Releases.

    That was what we call in the trade "a f up". There was no reason that the old layout couldn't have sensed the difference in the two devices and done something appropriate for each: tap = press, hold = hover.

    What they did now, stripping out friendly desktop behavior and replacing it with least-common-denominator behavior is not "responsive design", by any common definition of the term.

  • jimmulvaneyjimmulvaney Posts: 341
    edited December 1969

    Just bare in mind, the people who are most vocal are the ones who have a problem with it. Compare that to your overall customer base and you can see how many are for it. Yay! Now I do not need a PC to go perusing and they made filter's relevant to me as a customer!

  • BlazeMystEraBlazeMystEra Posts: 464
    edited November 2014

    Some good changes here.

    Some I have to become familiar with.......

    But the wishlist.... please put it back on one page I scroll through.... it is much better to view and compare that way.

    you can chose to show all your wishlisted items instead of just a few with a dropdown. that brings back the whole wishlist on one side. at least it should, I recently emptied it out quite a bit and don't know if for a really large list this would work too... it does work for 50 items tough :) (yeah, I know... 60 is standard *g*)

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited November 2014

    XiMiX said:
    Just bare in mind, the people who are most vocal are the ones who have a problem with it. Compare that to your overall customer base and you can see how many are for it. ...

    Don't equate silence to "approval". Consider the tiny percentage of people who post in the forum ever about anything. I'd think the word "resignation" would be more accurate.

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  • jimmulvaneyjimmulvaney Posts: 341
    edited December 1969


    Don't equate silence to "approval". Consider the tiny percentage of people who post in the forum ever about anything. I'd think the word "resignation" would be more accurate.

    If you do not voice your opinion when you do not approve of something, silence is approval. As far as your "resignation" comment is concerned... well now you are just being facetious. ;)

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,800
    edited December 1969

    Please keep this focussed on the store, not each other.

  • jimmulvaneyjimmulvaney Posts: 341
    edited December 1969

    Please keep this focussed on the store, not each other.

    Agreed, just trying to keep my reply light-hearted.

  • ToyenToyen Posts: 1,888
    edited December 1969

    I really like the new design! But I´d make two more changes.

    - I´d rearrange the wishlist to be similar like it used to be with the ability to sort items on it from the one I want the most (which would be at the top) to the one at the bottom.

    - I´d sort out the Product Library so it would be easier to keep track of items I have already purchased. The way I´d do that would be via categories like Figures, Props, Clothing and so on.

  • jimmulvaneyjimmulvaney Posts: 341
    edited November 2014

    I really like the new design! But I´d make two more changes.

    - I´d rearrange the wishlist to be similar like it used to be with the ability to sort items on it from the one I want the most (which would be at the top) to the one at the bottom.

    - I´d sort out the Product Library so it would be easier to keep track of items I have already purchased. The way I´d do that would be via categories like Figures, Props, Clothing and so on.

    Someone else brought this up earlier and I never really thought of it but it makes sense to be able to categorize products for specific scene ideas or projects. If it can be made to happen for the wishlist, then why NOT the product library as well? Can't tell you how many times I have been like "what was the name of that armor I want/ used for that dragon scene...?"

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  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    edited November 2014

    wiz said:
    Didn't know they redesigned the main (desktop/laptop) site. I'll reserve judgement on that. Hopefully, DAZ learned a lesson on how another popular 3D site (rhymes with "atrocity", hint hint) really screwed themselves with a horrible redesign.v

    But the new mobile site rocks. I'm accessing it now from my iPad, and it's surprisingly smooth and well thought out.


    By the beard of the flying spaghetti monster!

    The site looks like it's set up only for tablets, hideously unfriendly to laptops and a total disaster on a 32 inch desktop. I mean total. What I thought was a separate (and very nice) tablet site is, in reality, DAZ's version of the Windows 8 "one size fits all" debacle. That was so bad that Microsoft declared they're jumping immediately to Windows 10, because a "windows 9" would not be far enough removed from the stench of the decaying corpse of Windows 8.

    Just a few of the many design errors.

    The huge band of sales and deals only scrolls, and not smoothly. What appear to be left and right "buttons" activate as soon as you hover over them and produce... more scrolling. Sit the programmer (and I use that term loosely) who did this and make them watch the green and purple "crazy deal eight" square scroll by, jerkily, for an hour or two. Pin their eyelids open like in "A Clockwork Orange". In the meantime, reduce the NAUSEATING animations, make the buttons work, and support tablets with "swiping", you know, the most intuitive and logical tablet gesture.

    It rewinds when it hits the end of the scrolling. Motion sickness city.

    Very wide windows just make things large, still requiring lots of vertical scrolling. The human visual field is basically horizontal.

    Is fast grab "lost", or has it been killed off?

    Five horizontal scrolling bands of "categorized" search results before I get to the real results?

    The "add to wishlist/remove from wishlist" button changes color when you hover over it (useless fluff) but doesn't change color to indicate whether or not an item is actually in your wishlist (useful feature).

    Who were the beta testers?

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  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited December 1969

    If you do not voice your opinion when you do not approve of something, silence is approval.

    I don't wish to be argumentative, but tacit approval of anything is merely a contrivance invented purely for the sake of convenience. Silence may mean approval, or it might also mean everyone has simply left.

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    edited December 1969

    wiz said:
    Didn't know they redesigned the main (desktop/laptop) site. I'll reserve judgement on that. Hopefully, DAZ learned a lesson on how another popular 3D site (rhymes with "atrocity", hint hint) really screwed themselves with a horrible redesign

    Actually, the redesigned site reminds me of that other one you hinted at quite a lot.
    Having had a chance to see it on both my laptop and desktop, I am inclined to agree.

    At least DAZ won't deny problems for months while sales tank.

  • SiennaBlueSiennaBlue Posts: 224
    edited December 1969

    Seriously dislike the new design. Will be spending even less time and money here than I already was.

  • Swawa3DSwawa3D Posts: 231
    edited November 2014

    I like the new features but have some issues with the design.

    1. It's too large (adjusting zoom w/ ctrl + mouse wheel helps a little with this but is not ideal).

    2. It's too slow to navigate without the drop down menus.

    3. "What's included & Features" looks really sloppy & hard to read now. 1 column might be better, maybe put the details on the left & features on the right? It especially looks bad when indenting does not all show on 1 line.

    Update:

    I'm not a fan of the Windows 8 / mobile inspired design. I don't shop from a mobile device & feel interfaces designed like this are not ideal for a standard display.

    My display is 1920 wide & I browse with the window exactly half the width by dragging it to the edge. The site should fit nicely by default with this setup but it does not. I understand a site can't be design for every situation but I thought my setup was fairly standard, I could be wrong.

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  • BlueIreneBlueIrene Posts: 1,318
    edited December 1969

    I don't want to go into a lengthy analysis of why I hate the new design - I haven't got the time and Wiz said much of what I'm thinking anyway, but I definitely don't want my silence seen as approval either. Perhaps the new design looks good on a small screen, but sitting here facing a typically large desktop screen (which I assume is what most people who make use of 3D assets would be using anyway), the new design has all the visual appeal of a chocolate-covered cabbage and is only marginally more useful.

  • zawarkalzawarkal Posts: 1,018
    edited December 1969

    OMG. I HATE IT!!!!! I can't even begin to tell you what all I find wrong with the site. There are just that many issues. Rendo and RDNA are WAY BETTER

  • DreamingGirlDreamingGirl Posts: 227
    edited December 1969

    I would like to second the question about where the texture templates have gone.

    I have checked all my products that had a template installer on the product page of the old site, and I KNOW they had one as I'm looking at the installers right now, but they are NOT in my product library. So where do we get them now?

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,595
    edited December 1969

    The thing I can't quite figure out is why make the site look like it's designed for mobile devices when Studio and Poser are desktop and laptop programs. ;)

    DreamingGirl, if you need seam guides for figures (not the default texture templates, but the colored ones I make), you can find them here: http://www.snowsultan.com/3.html Hopefully DAZ will get the regular templates back up soon though, as I've only made a limited number of seam guides.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,040
    edited November 2014

    habgyp said:
    There are certainly things to like about the new site. However, I dislike the fact that my control over my experience has been limited. It would be nice if the UI was more customizable. One of the big advantages of the old site was that you could search for things as in-depth as you chose to. If you were just skimming things you didn't have to get too specific, but if you wanted to, you could. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case.

    Also, it seems that the filter by Figure is limited to Gen 4 and up. I know I may be one of only a dozen or so people who still use Gen 3 (& even Gen 2 on occasion) in addition to Gen 4-6 but those products are still available. Now there doesn't seem to be a way to search for these items. I only know that the old stuff is still available because I manually searched for a known item. It doesn't seem to me that adding the older Gen 1-3 figures into the Figure filter list has a downside. I mean, they'd be at the bottom of the list. I can't imagine how this would even be an inconvenience for those, obviously the majority, only looking for newer content. If you are going to sell something but it's hidden, you can't take the money I want to give to you.

    To put it more plainly: If I can't find something... I can't buy it.

    I've seen that it's possible that this is not the final final version of the site and that there will possibly be some tweaks to the UI, so I'm cautiously optimistic. But if I can't search for the older stuff, I'll be spending much less money here. :down:

    Also, I've seen that one of the main reasons for the UI style is to make the site more accessible for mobile users. If this is true, I'm wondering what the real benefit is. I mean, I'm genuinely curious here; do a lot of people use this site via mobile devices ? And if so, why? I know that seems confrontational but that's not my intent. I'm genuinely curious as to the value in coming to DAZ with a device of constrained visual capacity. I mean, even if you just use it to purchase content at a convenient time, you still gave to d/l to a conventional system to use it. Is there a mobile version (phone/tablet) of DS that I'm unaware of? Is DAZ prepping for an eventual move to being a cloud/server-side application? Even then, it seems to me that, even without significant client-side restrictions, even a large tablet is impractical for working on 3D CG.

    Anyway, I know all things must change. And I'm sure that by the time I'm cool with this version, a new one will come along. And that's OK. Truth be told, I don't really mind change; but I can't endorse it at the expense of functionality. If a feature that I use is eliminated in the process of an "upgrade", then I don't really see it see it as a benefit (subjectively speaking). Maybe that's just me...


    ...as to the filters they are almost useless. Where are the Gen3 characters, Steph4, AIko5 Aiko6 Teens, etc? Say you want to just look for content relating to Steph6 for example, you are out of luck as the only filter you have is G2F (over 1,400 items to slog through with apparently no organisation). Using the search engine doesn't fare much better as (like I already mentioned) you get several rows of horizontally scrolling bands instead of a page that is sorted by relevance. If I type in Stephanie 6 with "relevance" as the sort filter (which BTW is not offered as it was on the previous site), I should see first the Base Figure, followed by the Bundles, then the individual products relating directly to that figure in a standard page format.

    ...it's called the "top down" approach which is the most logical organisational format.

    Concerning mobile users vs. what I call "real" computer users accessing the store, it is too bad polls are not allowed (this is the only forum I'm involved in that prohibits them) for it would be interesting to actually see how the numbers break down.

    As I have also mentioned previously (either here or on another thread, don't remember anymore), discussion and/or evaluation of any proposed changes that will have such a sweeping affect on the community as a whole should be open to the entire community, not just select group (case in point only PC members were allowed to evaluate and make suggestions on the beta site). It's not just newcomers or casual shoppers who are not PC members, a good number of "long timers" have left the PC for personal or financial reasons as well.

    Basically like a Reality/Lux render, this needed to cook a bit more as there still is too much "noise" obscuring the picture.

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,049
    edited December 1969

    Please refer all comments and questions to here so they are all in one place and DAZ officials can easily refer to 1 thread.

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