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I was amazed at the Bang they did when first releasing Genesis 9. I mean... what a lot of options right in the initial Starter Kit. And then they've upped the game for the free starter kit again... and yet again. Genesis 9 certainly is a powerful release. Kudos to Daz 3d. That's a Lot of work!
I also really like the new scaling. Rosie 9 was such a cute little thing before I lost her in my massive data wipe.
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I've done another quick new product survey at Rendo on their first page of DS applicable material. It's just a snapshot, and only covers products applicable to character generations (not props etc):
It appears that at Rendo there 23 products suitable for G9 and 48 suitable for G8. Not sure that the evidence indicates at Rendo that G8 is being neglected.
Regards,
Richard.
I use this MMX Genesis 9 Clones for All and rely on dForce.
Gen9 has some really nice characters and clothes, but I've invested quite a bit in Genesis 8, and for now it has everything I need for the projects I'm working on. Plus it loads and runs very efficiently on my current system.
Same for me. I have so much stuff for G8 that G9 just isn't appealing enough to me. Of course I like some of the G9 characters/clothes, but I think the advantages are too little to "rebuild" my library with G9 wardrobe, morphs, geoshells and so on. And I don't want to fiddle with my clothes for ages every time I pose. Or convert all my stuff. So I decided to completly skip on G9 and only buy G8 compatible stuff or environments in the future. I even left Daz+ because I buy so much less since G9. But it's all good, I understand that there has to be some change at some point to improve the technology. Maybe I'll reinvest into G10 or 11. :)
Be careful, Genesis X has AI and she may not agree with ones choices - "You want to do WHAT?"
you can already use DAZ people as chat bots in a few programs D talks in store here and quite a few other third party options
and from what I hear they indeed can have opposing views to you
Most people of our age group tend to hold the past and nostalgia in much better regard than the present, just as most people more than half our age look forward to the future, which is fitting as our future is much closer to death than for someone in their 20s, so I attribute at least some of the anti-G9 sentiment to our deep-seated nostalgia, and apprehension of the future...
As we saw the same with possette with V1, V4 and the first genesis, then G2, with G3, and so on, and so on, this ride will never end!
The fact is, that everything that we perceive is in constant change, this is unavoidable, so instead of barring the present and future in favour of our nostalgic past, I find that the best way to utilise the past, rather than cling to it, is to attribute lessons learned from our past for the present in preparation for the future!
G9 took content creation up to such a high degree, that it's painful to go back to sculpting for G8, I, for one, cannot WAIT to see what the next genesis will be, as I only have loyalty for people, not something that isn't even considered as an inanimate object! ;^)
Just depends on where you shop. Daz obviously invested in G9 and needs to make a profit on that investment, that's just business. Daz is mainly G9, the other stores are mainly G8 with some G9 or G8/G9 combo products mixed in. So Daz got very little of my money this year versus Renderosity, Renderhub, and even Renderotica. But between the price increases and the heavy G9 products (most of which looks indistinguishable from the prior generation, or it's just G9 version of something I bought two years ago for G8 and probably 5 years ago for G3, ad infinium)
For whatever reason G9 just doesn't connect with me, not anti-Daz or nostaglic, just don't like this generation. My hope is that G10 will work better for more needs.
Renderotica is my Renderosity, as I do not care for their shopfront in the least, I think I'll try Renderhub, as I am still an active G8/3 user as well as G9, but what I mostly buy are tools and scripts to support G3-G9 figures, (though G3 assets have massively tapered off) I wonder how well-stocked they are with those?
You have a valid point but consider this -- if everyone is making stuff for G9, you are competing with all of them with the buying population. But if you make a NEW release for G8, or G3 or even G2, you are not cometing with anyone. I am still on the lookout for G2 & G3 stuff. Just because the characters are older doesn't mean that they are dead. I do digital comics and some of my most popular characters are G2 based. I use the newer stuff but I'm not retiring my most popular characters just because they are G2 or G3 and I'm always on the look out to get more accesories or them.
I'm in the same boat but there are some G9 hairs that I would like to have for G8. I just wish they were available for G8 as well
I was heavily vested in G2M & G3F. Then G8 came out and it was out forever that I became heavily vest in G8.
Something to consider yes - so I tested that theory when we went from V4 to Genesis, and again from Genesis to Genesis 3, and both times the new generation outsold the old one by far :)
And together with the skin converter https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-9-uvs-for-genesis-8-and-81-female there is no need to go for G9 characters.
You might not be competing with other new products, but you're competing with years of existing products which are often sold at a big discount.
And you're adressing a customer base which is only shrinking with time: people who buy content for the older figure and are still willing to pay "new release prices" for it, not just pick up something dirt cheap during a big sale.
And that's not even taking into account the fact that technology changes and new features might make creating content for the new figure easier / less time consuming.
All in all, after some time a vendor will usually sell more copies and make a bigger revenue for the same amount of time spent creating a product if they support the new figure. And if that revenue is what pays your bills, food and rent, you usually choose the path that brings you more of it.
Haha, I would love a serious conversation with Victoria10. That would be so funny. :-)
But then you have geografts on your figure, which will lead to incompability with geoshells, headwear and the likes. And I guess the texture is applied 2 times on each character then(1 on the figure, 1 on the geografts) and it pretty much doubles the texture size of the figure? Or am I wrong?
From my research on G3+G8 content last year, i had the impression, that the cross-figure stuff had not had the maximum intensity right after release of G8. Data may be buggy/random/part-guessing. But that may not apply here, because some PAs may have an easier go this time for some reason, like "did it last time" or having more toolkits at the ready, more experience, and less change amongst figures, and so on. So in theory it could come more evenly distributed over time, or peak in year XYZ instead of ABC after major generation update, This is a maybe, and i can't judge quality, "average quality" and so on at all.
My impression is, that there is a fair range of content aimed at multiple generations, though perhaps less new figures for G8/8.1. Exact numbers really need counting and such :p...
If PAs profit from G9 most around the release time, it even makes sense, that the cross-figure stuff is less intense at the start. But every generation may have it's specialties, like G3+G8 working well together and delivering a huge range of content and quality. So it may be hard to judge, if you do something for those who stay with G8 or hop on the G9 train right away. I guess it's hard to judge, so maybe we are just seeing "hard to judge" on the market?
No nostalgia in my case, just simple economics. That is, does G9 provide benefits that justify investing in a new generation? For me, the answer is no, it's actually a step backwards. YMMV.
No nostalgia reasons here either. The PA's have praised G9 for being easier to work with (sculpting), but for me as a user it just doesn't give me what G8 does.
One rather misleading thing I've heard about G9 is that G8 hair and clothing assets will work with G9. Some do, but in my experience many more do not. I have a G9 figure that won't accept any G8 hair, and G8 clothes may or may not fit. Some G8 clothes seem to work ok, but when you save and close DAZ, then reopen the scene--boom! Some very weird distortions emerge. I spent an hour trying to find G8 clothing that worked on a G9 female figure but finally gave up and switched to a G8 figure. It seems that if your going heavy into G9 you will have to invest in G9 hair and clothing.
I've actually gone backwards lately, I've picked up more G3 stuff (thanks to some sales) than G9.
I don't find G9 as good to work with when rendering as G8 (and G3 for side/background characters) as to me it seems to be better for closeup stuff, overall I 'regret' buying some of the G9 stuff I have and am likely to not pick up much unless it seems a real good deal to compliment something i've already got.
Whilst there isn't much new G8 stuff, I do keep finding things i've missed so that should keep me going for a long while
Yes, out of 13930 G8/G8.1 items in the store, I still have 10816 items to buy
Oh nice, I didn't knew that. I should do more renders with twins. :P
Yes, DAZ and most PA's have moved on to the most recent generation, as one would reasonably expect. Come on, now.
I have decided not to use G9. I have no beef with G9, I just thought about the pros and cons of switching to the new generation, and I've concluded that it makes the most sense for me to remain with G8.1.
I appreciate new content that's compatible with G8, but I don't expect it. I have MMX's clones and will buy G9 content if it looks like it might autofit well, same as with content for G3/G2/Genesis/Gen4. If Riversoft ever makes a clothing and props converter G9 -> G8 I'll get that one, too.
Fair point, not all users are sculptors as there is a large user base that is not artists in the sense that they can produce artwork out of thin air, as they need help in the way of 3rd party resources to create their art, ⇐(Speaking in general, not specifically calling anyone out) as we are not born the same, my perspective is just one of many expressed here, so every perspective has value, even if it's the polar opposite as mine, or yours, and everyone else here, as my perspective is not written in stone, or is the right perspective for everyone else, as it's for the individual to decide, not me.
There are things that I still love about my G3/G8 characters as I have an ignorant amount of PBM/FBM/JCMs for them, so they're still viable, and the majority of hair/clothes from G3/G8 fit G9 perfectly so for me I can enjoy the best of both worlds, my opinion of people that still cling to V4 is that that is well and good for them, as that's what they love, but my observation is just a way to arrive at a reason why it is what it is, so is not meant to be a judgement, but more conjecture, and conjecture is not an established fact.
But for myself, I love both the old and new, so I'm simply recognising and stating my view as to why there are people who may choose to stay with their favourites while rejecting "the new-fangled," nostalgia is one of the common reasons, and there are plenty of other reasons that I did not mention earlier such as rejecting the common reliance of companies replacing established products with something new, which in a lot of cases turns out to be worse than what is being replaced...
Also being an adult for more than 4 decades changes a person's views dramatically in comparison to those that count their years as an adult, not decades!
And also how it fits in the context of this thread; so it's simply an observation of mine, It's just not for me, as I believe everyone should be able to choose what they like, or not, but only if it fits them while not dictating other's choices.
I agree with richardandtracy, the transition seems a natural one, and I would say that it occurred rather gradually, with a timing that coincided nicely with my own growing acceptance of G9. By now, G9 and their stuff are a very welcome addition to my library, and I basically use G8 and G9 figures plus clothing and hair from all generations in a happy mix.