Simple Geoshell tutorial

pds

I'm hoping someone can answer what is hopefully a simple question: how do you save a geoshell so it can be applied as a preset, including materials/shaders? I'm thinking in terms of the way PAs use them to create clickable outfits without poke-through issues.

jukingeo

Oso3D said:

 

 

Now, admittedly, I hid hands and feet and head because the suit looks WEIRD if it covers that, which is where you get things like the No Suit morphs. These change feet, hands, nose, and ears to look like clothing is covering them.

How do you hide the hands and feet?   I have attached a file of how far I got:

While I CAN hid the arms and legs, I can't see options to do what you did.  Meaning I can't find where to hide the hands and feet ALONE.  Also, I have noticed that there is no option to hide the back of the head and the neck.   So how is that done?

Also I would like to change this to look more clothing like, so I want to minimize the cleavage crease and for the butt, to get ride of the wedgie.  I do have Mesh Grabber, but I am wondering if there was an easier way to do this.

Thanks,

Geo

Thank you,

Geo

 

carrie58

umm click on the geoshell in the scene tab then go to the surface tab ,the geoshell should have the same material zones as the figure ,now I use 3Delight so I go to Opacity for the parts I want to disappear and put it to zero ,there should be something similar in IRay .....

Catherine3678ab

In Iray the opacity dial is called "cutout."

Haruchai

carrie58 said:

umm click on the geoshell in the scene tab then go to the surface tab ,the geoshell should have the same material zones as the figure ,now I use 3Delight so I go to Opacity for the parts I want to disappear and put it to zero ,there should be something similar in IRay .....

The only issue here is that neither the Genesis 3 nor the Genesis 8 figures have a seperate Hand or Feet material zones for the Geoshell to copy, only full arms or full legs. Genesis 1 (V4 UV) and Genesis 2 figures do.

Given the date of the original post I would suggest that the image shown is Genesis 2 Male, it simply won't work on later figures presumably without redefining material zones. The geoshell does not have any selectable parts in the Scene tab either so you can't make them invisible with the eye icon.

Happy if anyone can correct me or show a workaround.

felis

It will require a bit of work.

You can paint a black/white map and set in cutout oppacity - that can make the geoshell invisible for the hands or similar selected zones.

barbult

Haruchai said:

carrie58 said:

umm click on the geoshell in the scene tab then go to the surface tab ,the geoshell should have the same material zones as the figure ,now I use 3Delight so I go to Opacity for the parts I want to disappear and put it to zero ,there should be something similar in IRay .....

The only issue here is that neither the Genesis 3 nor the Genesis 8 figures have a seperate Hand or Feet material zones for the Geoshell to copy, only full arms or full legs. Genesis 1 (V4 UV) and Genesis 2 figures do.

Given the date of the original post I would suggest that the image shown is Genesis 2 Male, it simply won't work on later figures presumably without redefining material zones. The geoshell does not have any selectable parts in the Scene tab either so you can't make them invisible with the eye icon.

Happy if anyone can correct me or show a workaround.

The visibility of parts of the geoshell can be controlled in the Parameters pane. Visibility can be turned off by Face Group as well as by Surface. Just select the face groups making up the hand (and fingers if you wish) to make it invisible.

barbult

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Sevrin

Haruchai said:

carrie58 said:

umm click on the geoshell in the scene tab then go to the surface tab ,the geoshell should have the same material zones as the figure ,now I use 3Delight so I go to Opacity for the parts I want to disappear and put it to zero ,there should be something similar in IRay .....

The only issue here is that neither the Genesis 3 nor the Genesis 8 figures have a seperate Hand or Feet material zones for the Geoshell to copy, only full arms or full legs. Genesis 1 (V4 UV) and Genesis 2 figures do.

Given the date of the original post I would suggest that the image shown is Genesis 2 Male, it simply won't work on later figures presumably without redefining material zones. The geoshell does not have any selectable parts in the Scene tab either so you can't make them invisible with the eye icon.

Happy if anyone can correct me or show a workaround.

This is incorrect.  Geoshells work with bones, rather than material zones.   You can turn off the hand and the individual finger bones one by one.

Oso3D

This is incorrect, Sevrin.

Geoshells do BOTH; you can set visibility by material zone AND by bones.

 

Sevrin

Oso3D said:

This is incorrect, Sevrin.

Geoshells do BOTH; you can set visibility by material zone AND by bones.

 

Doh!  Of course you are right.  Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to apply materials or shaders.

Haruchai

barbult said:

Haruchai said:

carrie58 said:

umm click on the geoshell in the scene tab then go to the surface tab ,the geoshell should have the same material zones as the figure ,now I use 3Delight so I go to Opacity for the parts I want to disappear and put it to zero ,there should be something similar in IRay .....

The only issue here is that neither the Genesis 3 nor the Genesis 8 figures have a seperate Hand or Feet material zones for the Geoshell to copy, only full arms or full legs. Genesis 1 (V4 UV) and Genesis 2 figures do.

Given the date of the original post I would suggest that the image shown is Genesis 2 Male, it simply won't work on later figures presumably without redefining material zones. The geoshell does not have any selectable parts in the Scene tab either so you can't make them invisible with the eye icon.

Happy if anyone can correct me or show a workaround.

The visibility of parts of the geoshell can be controlled in the Parameters pane. Visibility can be turned off by Face Group as well as by Surface. Just select the face groups making up the hand (and fingers if you wish) to make it invisible.

I learn something new every day. Thank you for enlightening me and the detailed explanantion, apprecitated :)

barbult

Haruchai said:

barbult said:

Haruchai said:

carrie58 said:

umm click on the geoshell in the scene tab then go to the surface tab ,the geoshell should have the same material zones as the figure ,now I use 3Delight so I go to Opacity for the parts I want to disappear and put it to zero ,there should be something similar in IRay .....

The only issue here is that neither the Genesis 3 nor the Genesis 8 figures have a seperate Hand or Feet material zones for the Geoshell to copy, only full arms or full legs. Genesis 1 (V4 UV) and Genesis 2 figures do.

Given the date of the original post I would suggest that the image shown is Genesis 2 Male, it simply won't work on later figures presumably without redefining material zones. The geoshell does not have any selectable parts in the Scene tab either so you can't make them invisible with the eye icon.

Happy if anyone can correct me or show a workaround.

The visibility of parts of the geoshell can be controlled in the Parameters pane. Visibility can be turned off by Face Group as well as by Surface. Just select the face groups making up the hand (and fingers if you wish) to make it invisible.

I learn something new every day. Thank you for enlightening me and the detailed explanantion, apprecitated :)

We all learn from each other! 

lava2productions

I want to ask if you can Bake the geo shell and the underlying body texture for exporting to other programs like Unreal.

Is this under baking textures maybe?

I want to bake my tattoo geo shell to the skin now

leo04

I created the shell per your instructions, but I don't see it in the view. Where is it?

 

Never mind. I did a copy of the object and it showed up,

ChuckM

Thank you!

marble

Now if someone can explain how to add normal maps so that the GeoShell clothing looks like cloth with hems. wrinkles, stiches, etc., I will be happy to have a go at making some Second Skin clothing. I don't have ZBrush so Blender would be my choice.

felis

One issue with geoshells, is that you have no control over where the seams (between the surfaces) are. So best to do it in a 3D application.

In order to get a normal map, you need something to drive the normal map. You could take the geoshell into blender and apply a subD or multires modifier and then sculpt or model deails, and then bake that as a normal map.

Start with something simple to get a feeling for it.

marble

felis said:

One issue with geoshells, is that you have no control over where the seams (between the surfaces) are. So best to do it in a 3D application.

In order to get a normal map, you need something to drive the normal map. You could take the geoshell into blender and apply a subD or multires modifier and then sculpt or model deails, and then bake that as a normal map.

Start with something simple to get a feeling for it.

 That's exactly what my point was. I do have Blender and I am starting to become more comfortable with it but I don't fully understand the relationships between geometry, Sub-D and UV maps.So I am looking for some pointers to get me started. For example, when you say "bake the normal map", I have an idea of what you mean but little clue how to do it.

I know that I can't mess with the vertext count because I use Blender primarily to make morphs so I know that I can't just increase the mesh resolution and scultpt in wrinkles and folds. So I understand that I do need to sculpt those in Multires and then create a normal map from that sculpt but I'm not sure how because I suspect that I need to involve the UV maps somehow and there will be issues crossing seam borders, etc.