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There is not a base version distinct from Premiere, if you don't enter a serial number you get the standard version (lacks thje content creation tool, among other things), if you enter a serial you get Pro (the usual free version we are all using), if you have a current Daz Premier membership and have logged in from DS within a set period then you get further plug-ins enabled (assuming you installed them). There will be the same updates to the basic and Pro features regardless of which you have, since it is all the same code.
I imagine there may be notifications promoting it, in the place notifications appear (File>New).
The free version is not changing, and the Premiere version is the free version with extra bits activated.
Your forum account certainly shows you as a + member still. try logging out and back in, a number of people are having similar issues.
i don't see it that way. If I pay $70 for 12 months, I paid for 12 months. If I paid $40 for 12 months because there was a saile, I paid for 12 months. You can't later pretend there wasn't a sale. I've been offered an insult IMO, and it makes upgade unthinkable...
...and now every price I see will seem too high, Because I would like to be on a tier that I can't upgrade to because I was given an unfair offer. So every purchase will feel like I'm being overrcharged. So to stop myself being annoyed by looking at the store, and all the items that cost more than they should, I won't look at the store.
Thank you so much for the reply, so life will go on w daz studio free version so to speak - same updates for both versions, same code, so I will NOT miss out w the free version? If/when a more advanced dforce comes out I want to have access to it, and other fun stuff like fog and such things - will those come to the base daz also? just some plug ins that are exclusive? if that's true then I feel a bit better. Sad to see my days as a daz plus member go away, as I am not ok w the new terms, but I will not miss out on rendering tools.
OK, NOW the comments are what I expected; everyone saying they're done with DAZ, they're a bad business, I'll just use my old content, etc. You're not leaving, none of us are. I've seriously tried to quit 3D at least three times in the last ten years, and I keep coming back. Studio isn't suddenly subscription-only, you're not losing features, and you're not being forced to buy content that will one day be taken away from you. Just find a plan here that works for you, buy what you need, and keep making art.
LOL, have you looked at their prices? Try to calculate how much you would need to spend over there to get the equivalent of a Genesis 8 or 9 with a fair variety of clothing and hair. You will come running back here to subscribe to Premier. I had a chance to get their primary programs at 50% off and it was still outrageous.
I agree about Reallusion. Their prices are ridiculous. Not a choice, not for me anyway. As for quiting Daz, the world being what it is right now and prices and inflation being what they are, this is just one more blow for people. Don't blame people for being fed up. The only thing these prices and this new "tier" is going to accomplish is that people will buy even LESS because they'll have an added expense per month with Premiere or a higher price every month with Daz+. People are TIRED and they are more broke by the day. If you or Daz expected this, then you should have. People don't have it to give anymore. I almost cry every time I need to buy groceries ffs, and I NEED food. I do not need Daz.
I've already made a switch back to 2D, and my rendering computer hasn't been switched on since the beginning of the year. I was scheming to buy a new PC. But now I might as well try and save for a Steam Deck instead.
Is there an exact feature comparison chart somewhere between the existing “Daz Studio” and the paid 3D software “Daz Studio Premier”?
If the paid 3D software “Daz Studio Premier” is not a subscription, but a complete purchase, I will buy it.
The only thing that matters to me are the features of “Daz Studio” and the assets of the work I will be producing over time.
In the unlikely event that the company Daz should cease to exist, I would prefer not to use the tool in the first place if the tool's functionality would be unavailable to me.
If there is a possibility that the scene files I have spent so much time creating will not be reusable in the future, then I will not be able to work with the paid tools in the future.
If the scene files I have produced during my membership will have problems reusing or rendering after I leave, I will not be allowed to join.
Therefore, a feature comparison chart is needed.
The way I see it, people aren't saying they're done with DAZ. They're saying they're unlikely to subscribe, especially with a (minimum!) $50 price increase on the subscription. And if they don't subscribe, they'll likely buy less as well (because the offers won't be as attractive). Nobody's all of a sudden deleting Daz Studio and stomping on the SSD that contain all of their products. They (including me) are expressing a nasty move from the company they used to trust, and unless Daz makes something spectacular for them to forget about it and talk about something else ("buy this $1 thing to get $50 of freebies!" kind of thing), this feeling will likely linger which means even less spending. When you spend less, paying monthly subscription feels unjustified and without it there's even less spending... the circle closes.
I have enough of products to buy only occasionally, and without a yearly payment offer (even at that $10/month), I'm unlikely to pay. If they still offered yearly option (let's say $100, two months off for paying upfront), I'd probably feel tempted just for the convenience. In the current state, I won't, and I definitely won't give Daz even more money for Premier level.
It doesn't mean I'm quitting Daz. It means my spend will go significantly lower because of the negative impressions, and then even lower when my Daz+ membership expires.
Of course, and no one should ever have to second-guess whether they can buy food. I just mean you don't have to leave DAZ entirely because of these changes.
Do you have a page where I can see your 2D art?
I have no problem paying money for things I can't make or do myself. But there's less content I find appealing, which is diappointing. But Daz has no obligation to make things I want, and I have no obligation to buy things I don't want. I'll be fine, so will Daz.
I, like a few on here, also don't like the direction of DazStudio turning into rentware, I think this will be a bad move by daz, and their latest business model is one of the worst so far. I won't pay a monthly subscription.Tbh i feel a little betrayed by their current activities, im a hobbiest, not a professional artist, and i don't think that daz realise that the hobby market will go elsewhere, to software like blender, like im currently doing, thanks to moves like this.
What gets added to which tier will be a Daz decision. I imagine there will be a mix, but I have no idea what is on the cards or how they will be dealt out.
People use studio for different reasons. I came to it because DAZ has had good models at affordable prices, and the adoption of IRAY made Studio a good way to pursue more realistic renders with more realistic models.
G9 hasn't been a big enough improvement over G8 to merit investment, and I've been finding better G8 support / products at other vendors the last year or so. I'm hoping DAZ's next generation model(s) will be a marked improvement over G8/G9 (actual improvement in expressions, topology, etc., i.e. probably a higher numbert of polys more strategically placed). I'd invest in that if it happened.
If I were interested in doing morphs/modeling within studio, it would need much better tools than what they're offering now through Premier (most of which I already bought some time ago anyway). I assume new tools will be released through Premier over time, and if they look promising, I might try it for a month. But not now. I've been considering learning Blender to do morphs and clothes creation for a bit. This news is giving me more reason to do so.
I've been a PC+ subscriber for a while now, but I'm going to let it lapse when it expires. I haven't been getting much value from it the last year or so as I've just been buying less at DAZ. For Premier, if I were going to do a $20 subscription for a digital art tool right now, it would be for one of the AI image generation services. I have my own stable diffusion install local, but the services are a lot more user friendly, plus outsourcing the processing time is nice. I can render raw material in studio on my rig, and then tweak it using the AI image generation render farm while I render another scene in DAZ, avoiding choking my GPU with double work.
Anyways, long winded way of saying, Premier isn't appealing to me right now. I'm open to revisiting if more interesting things are introduced. But I'd definitely not engage in Premier if I don't end up owning what I pay for regardless of future Premier membership. It seems like right now you'd keep most of your content if obtained through Premier and you let your subscription last, I hope that sticks.
For those expressing uncertainty, I suggest waiting a bit to see how the Premier thing plays out. Being a first adopter is always a risky thing, and it doesn't seem like you'd be missing out on much if you wait. There's always another sale.
The splash screen for the new version of DS is a bunch of whales...
Scrubbed daz cookies/cache on top of relogging but did not help. Checked the store and can see discounts still showing so maybe its just bug with this brand new page...
Problem is my coupons are nowhere to bee seen so need this sorted....
Thanks, ok, so updates - yes. All fun stuff added to both versions - we don't know yet, so might still miss out w the free version. Same code but not quite the same also. This is confusing. But you can't be expected to answer what they have not told you about yet. Full info on this release day would have been ... better.
Daz Studio Premier and Daz Studio Pro and Daz Standard (the one you get without a serial number) are all the same - it is just a matter of which plug-ins etc. are enabled. So the only differences in features are the extras enabled by a membership.
You nailed that response, Cybersox.
I listed a bunch of questions several pages back. There hasn't been an official answer for any of them. I have 22 months left on my DAZ+ subscription. I'm being offered ZERO months of DAZ Premiere in exchange. Why would I give up all that time for literally nothing, especially since I can't get the time back if Premiere doesn't deliver?
DAZ Premiere claims to have several wonderful tools that I would like to use but I have no idea how well they work nor what exactly they work on (iray only or the old mat system as well, G9 only or also older figures, strand based hair, dynamic clothing, etc.). I'm not sacrificing 22 months of DAZ+ in the hope that maybe DAZ Premiere's tools will do what I want. I'd rather flat out purchase tools that I can get a refund on if they don't work rather than play the lottery with this new scheme.
If DAZ wants this to work, they need to work with us. Why not offer those of us with extended DAZ+ memberships something like $5 per month to get the software features while we wait for our DAZ+ memberships to run out? Sure, we won't get the extra coupons or bundles, but it's better than trying to blackmail us into giving up months (or years!) of current benefits for a month or two of a possibly better deal.
After thinking about it for the day - I'm going to stay on Daz+ until that subscription runs out in March. Then I've got three options - set Daz+ up as a monthly sub, upgrade to Premium - or just walk away.
I have hundreds of unused G3 and G8 characters; I'm not doing G9. So the character bundles are of no value to me.
I've struggled to use my Daz+ coupons thiis year - I'm not doing characters, I have more outfits than I'll ever use, and I have enough residential interiors to outfit a twenty story condominium - so the coupons are not a big draw.
That leaves the tokens and the tools; to use the tools, I'll need to put my main system on the internet. Which I can do - reluctantly.
So I'll wait and see how this all pans out - and hopefully one more payment option will be added: store credit.
Well, I've got tens of thousands of dollars (USD) in DAZ content, I've been a PC+ user for well over a decade, and there are currently nearly 30K products installed in my library -- including the very plugins that Premier seems to be emulating. At $18.98/month, no transparency on what will actually be offered (or details on the "upgraded" elements), no option for an annual renewal, and seeing what folks have been offered with regard to "upgrading" their PC+ subscriptions to Premier (Seriously? 1 month of premier for 3-4 months of paid PC+ membership)...I can tell you it's pretty blasted likely THIS whale is going to head into different waters.
Well, yes and no.
I paused my obsession with DAZ Studio for the first half of this year - didn't go near it. Then I got back into it but decided not to go for G9 and only buy G8 stuff in really attractive sales (like the one we just had). So there is a partial withdrawal for me.
Secondly, as I said above - there are more and more alternatives including AI (Flux and SD). Blender and Game Engines. There's a Patreon supported (adult) application called VAM which, at the moment uses old DAZ Genesis 2 figures but a new version is getting close which will allow G8. It has soft body physics and real-time cloth simulation - things we can only dream of in DAZ Studio. That subscription is around $6 p/m which is one of the few subscriptions I could justify. So DAZ Studio is not the only game in town for DAZ addicts and the competition is getting hot.
Now all the complaints I used to see when PS launched premium subscriptions...
I think this premium subscription service should be offered to plus members for at least one month trial, which would eliminate a lot of doubts and complaints.
I upgraded but I didn’t see the new tools in WINDOW>PANES. DAZ needs a detailed explanation on how to enable the new tools.
DAZ must also tell everyone that if you don’t like the premium membership, you can remain the same without any loss of rights.(If I understand correctly)
Now that our subscriptions have become so valuable, we really need 2-step verification to protect our accounts.(please)
I reckon this has been asked but I can't find an answer:
"Integrated export options allow you to easily transfer your Daz content directly to other popular 3D software."
Does this mean we will no longer be able to convert to Unity or Unreal in the free version from now on?
This has been a fundamental requirement in my workflow, and I invested in Daz and interactive licenses specifically because it was free to do so.
I got the orange banner warning Mac users not to update to DS 4.23 due to plug-in issues.
It said they should fix this soon. DAZ soon? Or customer soon?
More Mac fun from DAZ!
I already updated to 4.23. Whoops!
LOL
Lee
all of the show up ... besides Geo Sculptor... :-(