A Voiceover Coop?

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  • Ivy said:

    Guaranteed to make you smile

    Nicely done Ivy.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    Rottenham said:
    Ivy said:

    Guaranteed to make you smile

    Nicely done Ivy.

    Thanks :)

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,076
    Rottenham said:

    I've a bit more interested in the gaming world than you are...

    I don't think that "gaming" is about games. Poker, checkers, these are games. GTA5, Fallout 4, these are not games. They are Interactive Video.  They are little movies where you get to decide what happens in the next scene.  Interactive video is on track to replace the traditional motion picture.  Animation, games, VR, all will be one soon.  Have you seen The Congress

    Marketing calls them games for a number of reasons.  For one, a single syllable is easier to remember than a string of seven syllables.  We favor short words.  As a less sophisticated term, it's easier for us to understand.  Remember that marketing is basically a non-technical field.

    We should also keep in mind that the gaming "world" is the only thing driving what new hardware development is taking place.  Except for gamers, PC hobbyists are pretty much extinct.  The cell phone is advanced enough for most people, too much so for some.

    Sure, I see the testosterone-driven sphere of guns, monsters and 44Ds.  Hormones are a much stronger influence on our behavior than we wish to admit.  We prefer to think of ourselves as "rational, thinking beings" whose actions are based on logical choices.  In fact, hormones can be as powerful and as dangerous as heroine.  Marketing sees this too.

    I give gaming its due, without buying into the whole "kill all monsters" mentality.

    I don't mind reading a bit of scripts occasionally for people that PM me but be warned I don't have a radio announcer voice and sing like a cat that has had it's tail stepped on.

    Thanks for the warning.  There'll be no singing for you.  :-)

    Well whether for games or animation I need a new computer.

  • laststand@runbox.com[email protected] Posts: 866
    edited December 2016

    At this time, let me say that I offer to provide a voice for one of your characters.  I offer this on a volunteer basis whether you do or do not make money from it.  I would ask only that you do the same for me at some point.  I have a clear voice, next to no accent, and I enunciate.  This is my real voice, please pardon the atrocious mats and lighting, it was not intended to be a demo.  PM me if you wish to discuss it.

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  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,826

    " Me, I'm in love with the language, and I want to use it.  I'll work with the tools at hand, as we all do."

    Same here!!

    as you might imagine I am a big sci- fi /comic book nerd.


    I have no interest in earthbound "regular folk" animated stories
    Thus my personal work will always have narratives that are highly technical&verbal requiring alot of verbal audio.

     

    "The entertainment industry is dead from self-inflicted wounds.  The tech we could make use of is being held for ransom (I messed my shorts when I saw $1,100...).  The marketing zombies have their hands in our pants pockets. "

    Interstingly that Adobe captivate TTS is still far from convincing as a simulation of human speech certainly for the price its asking.

    Thankfullly I do still use an older Apple intel Mac for half of my CG production
    and we have the Mac only convenienceware  TTS application that while not 100 percent convincing,
    it is still more human sounding than the Adobe Captivate.

    This GI animation test I did years ago was made using one of the British Male voices of Conveneience ware

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,076
    edited December 2016

    I have an iPhone SE or something like that and it runs this Maps - it give directions to locations as a service and the female voice does sound real but somewhat spliced together between words.

    I have no online recording on my voice but it varies from Appalachian to vaguely English (but it's really old unknown Appalachian dialect).

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  • laststand@runbox.com[email protected] Posts: 866
    edited December 2016
    wolf359 said:

    as you might imagine I am a big sci- fi /comic book nerd.


    I have no interest in earthbound "regular folk" animated stories
    Thus my personal work will always have narratives that are highly technical&verbal requiring alot of verbal audio.

    Ah, wolf,

    I've been an ardent sci fi fan since I was 12, when I read Heinlein's "Red Planet."  I'd read a good deal of the Old Masters by the time I was 20.  In the 60s, before anyone had ever heard of them, and when Stan Lee was still a kid, I was a big Marvel Comics fan.  I've waited all this time to see Doctor Strange made into a film (Cumberbatch makes an excellent Strange).  Now I'm waiting for Prince Namor to show up.  Right now I'm watching Shin Godzilla.  I watch every sci fi movie made.

    However right now, so far as animation is concerned, I'm on a personal mission to bring laughter to a society that has become afraid to laugh.  I'm going to make the devil go where mortals fear to tread.

    ................................

    I was impressed with Adobe Captivate's ability to edit TTS, and with the results.  The price they're asking is 10-20 times what it's worth, though.  Every dog has his day, we say.  Adobe is having theirs right now.

    This too shall pass.

    ...............

    This is recent.  I am just figuring out how to use DAZ lipsync.  This character sounds like my grandmother.  :-)

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  • I have an iPhone SE or something like that and it runs this Maps - it give directions to locations as a service and the female voice does sound real but somewhat spliced together between words.

    I have no online recording on my voice but it varies from Appalachian to vaguely English (but it's really old unknown Appalachian dialect).

    Everything old is new.  Talking hardware hasn't improved a lot since the 80s when it first appeared.  The excellent film Her (that's Scarlet Johanson's voice) shows us a machine with full conversational voice I/O.  That's what I want.  The machine, I mean.

    This is me as Archie Bunker doing Spring is Sprung.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited December 2016

    Google translator does a good job for making female voices in any language,  , just type whatever out in the text box and then chose your language type and click the little speaker on the bottom of the text box that shows up after typing your text , the girl will speak very clear in a  non mechanical sounding voice. and record it with external recorder .  sounds very realistic. But keep in mind its only a translator and it comes only in a female voice and not all translations are audio, plus you will need a external recorder .But hey is free and sounds good..lol 

    https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/test%20this%20voice

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  • Ivy said:

    Google translator does a good job for making female voices in any language,  , just type whatever out in the text box and then chose your language type and click the little speaker on the bottom of the text box that shows up after typing your text , the girl will speak very clear in a  non mechanical sounding voice. and record it with external recorder .  sounds very realistic. But keep in mind its only a translator and it comes only in a female voice and not all translations are audio, plus you will need a external recorder .But hey is free and sounds good..lol 

    https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/test%20this%20voice

    That made me laugh, Ivy!  It takes me back to 1980, when I used to make Speak And Spell say S-H-I-T.  :-)  Seriously, I didn't realize Translate could speak.  Thanks.

  • If this co-op gets off the ground, I'd definately do some freebe female voices for you. My voice sounds young and pretty high- standard American- but I can do a subtle Southern.

  • 23Cascade said:

    If this co-op gets off the ground, I'd definately do some freebe female voices for you. My voice sounds young and pretty high- standard American- but I can do a subtle Southern.

    You make three.  This is getting interesting.  Now I'm thinking, what is necessary to actually do this kind of thing?  Two things come to mind.

    • For the lipsync software to do a good job, the speaker must enunciate clearly.  Mumbling or slurring words will not give good results.  If you've ever tried to do lipsync, you know what I mean.
    • And, it is important to have a quiet place to record.  The mike will pick up street noise, refrigerators, furnaces, things you might not think about.  I get up early in the morning when I want to record, to avoid street noise.  Then I wait till the furnace is in between cycles.

    After that, it would probably be useful to post a clip of yourself speaking, so other people could get an idea of what you sound like. 

    I know there are other things. 

    Anybody want to add to this?  How do you work when other people do voice for you?

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,076
    Ivy said:

    Google translator does a good job for making female voices in any language,  , just type whatever out in the text box and then chose your language type and click the little speaker on the bottom of the text box that shows up after typing your text , the girl will speak very clear in a  non mechanical sounding voice. and record it with external recorder .  sounds very realistic. But keep in mind its only a translator and it comes only in a female voice and not all translations are audio, plus you will need a external recorder .But hey is free and sounds good..lol 

    https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/test%20this%20voice

    Oh, my iPhone voice is better than the American English on Google Translate, but those are good too, however the Swedish & German both sounded more convincing, but mainly because I am not as familiar with their accents in those countries, but the accents the Google Translate did have to a degree. smiley

     

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,826
    Ivy said:

    Google translator does a good job for making female voices in any language,  , just type whatever out in the text box and then chose your language type and click the little speaker on the bottom of the text box that shows up after typing your text , the girl will speak very clear in a  non mechanical sounding voice. and record it with external recorder .  sounds very realistic. But keep in mind its only a translator and it comes only in a female voice and not all translations are audio, plus you will need a external recorder .But hey is free and sounds good..lol 

    https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/test%20this%20voice

    Oh, my iPhone voice is better than the American English on Google Translate, but those are good too, however the Swedish & German both sounded more convincing, but mainly because I am not as familiar with their accents in those countries, smiley

     

    The Mac only Ghostreader is specifically designed for foriegn Accents

    Here is your post spoken by one of the british female voices using the basic lipsinc feature in Daz studio

     

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,826
    edited December 2016

    For the lipsync software to do a good job, the speaker must enunciate clearly.  Mumbling or slurring words will not give good results.  If you've ever tried to do lipsync, you know what I mean.
    "And, it is important to have a quiet place to record.  The mike will pick up street noise, refrigerators, furnaces, things you might not think about.  I get up early in the morning when I want to record, to avoid street noise.  Then I wait till the furnace is in between cycles.
    After that, it would probably be useful to post a clip of yourself speaking, so other people could get an idea of what you sound like. 

    I know there are other things. 

    Anybody want to add to this?  How do you work when other people do voice for you"

    Also use a wind screen or keep a proper distance from the mic as any good mic will record the sound of your breath hitting it.

    Also really good voice recording requires good acting skill in general and knowing how to add the correct emotional inflection to make a believable performance.
    Simply reading from provided text without the proper context of what is happening during the scene results in dry boring dialoge

    This is critical!!
    There are Japanese language manga/anime series that I enjoy like GUNDAM where I will only watch them with the original Japanese voice track and read the subtitles as I dont speak Japanese
     This is preferable over listening to some lazy American  "Phoned in "Dub job that has the emotion of someone reading the ingredients  off of a can of corned beef hash.

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  • DigiDotzDigiDotz Posts: 515
    edited December 2016

    ..Make a pop guard from some old (or new!) tights http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Pop-Filter

    Message me later if you want me to host a sub-domain for your collaborations.

    I'm also rather interested in Adobe's experimental work (Project Voco) which may or may not be available over the next year or two.

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  • wolf359 said:

    This is critical!!
    There are Japanese language manga/anime series that I enjoy like GUNDAM where I will only watch them with the original Japanese voice track and read the subtitles as I dont speak Japanese
     This is preferable over listening to some lazy American  "Phoned in "Dub job that has the emotion of someone reading the ingredients  off of a can of corned beef hash.

    Interestingly, this is the way the Japanese prefer to watch movies in other languages as well - with subtitles rather than dubbing.  I do the same myself.  As I said, inflection is important.  Inflection is the thing that most TTS can't do right.  It's the very thing they can do with Captivate editing.

    In voice training they teach you to "go up" or "go down," referring to pitch.  To "go up" at the end of a sentence can make it sound like a question.  "Did you ever find those shoes you were looking for?"  There is a particular dialect in the US where they go up at the end of EVERY SENTENCE.  "Did you see the news last night? about the fire? at the zoo? Wasn't that terrible?"  If you've ever heard it, you know what I'm talking about.  Anything can be overdone.

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,076
    Rottenham said:
    wolf359 said:

    This is critical!!
    There are Japanese language manga/anime series that I enjoy like GUNDAM where I will only watch them with the original Japanese voice track and read the subtitles as I dont speak Japanese
     This is preferable over listening to some lazy American  "Phoned in "Dub job that has the emotion of someone reading the ingredients  off of a can of corned beef hash.

    Interestingly, this is the way the Japanese prefer to watch movies in other languages as well - with subtitles rather than dubbing.  I do the same myself.  As I said, inflection is important.  Inflection is the thing that most TTS can't do right.  It's the very thing they can do with Captivate editing.

    In voice training they teach you to "go up" or "go down," referring to pitch.  To "go up" at the end of a sentence can make it sound like a question.  "Did you ever find those shoes you were looking for?"  There is a particular dialect in the US where they go up at the end of EVERY SENTENCE.  "Did you see the news last night? about the fire? at the zoo? Wasn't that terrible?"  If you've ever heard it, you know what I'm talking about.  Anything can be overdone.

     

    I've heard that accent but only once spoken by like a ten year old boy in a movie. As soon as I heard it I recognized that access as being common from decades earlier but I didn't know what part of the USA that accent comes from.

    Sitting here thinking about it now I think i've actually ever only heard that accent elsewhere spoken by the Beaver and some of the other characters in Leave it to Beaver, mostly the boys Beaver's age and with that now I'm thinking maybe it wasn't a real accent at all but an odd diction taught to actors some time ago. 

  • DigiDotz said:

    ..Make a pop guard from some old (or new!) tights http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Pop-Filter

    Message me later if you want me to host a sub-domain for your collaborations.

    I'm also rather interested in Adobe's experimental work (Project Voco) which may or may not be available over the next year or two.

    Thank you for your generous offer.  It could come to pass.  And yes, a pop filter can be a simple thing.

    I strongly suspect the entertainment industry is preparing a legal attack on Voco as we speak.  Think about it.  You could have Elvis Presley sing Love Stinks!  The problem is copyrighting a voice.  You can see from what's being done on YT that slight alterations in speed or pitch make the original soundtrack undetectable by IP robots.  Working througn this legally could be a long, expensive journey.  It might be faster and easier to "convince" lawmakers to ban the technology altogether.  Remember, these are the people who succeeded in getting the digital audio tape recorder pulled off the market.

    Anything seems possible.

     

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited December 2016

    I use a Zoom H2n MP3/wav recorder for voices and sound effects,  mostly because it portable and the sound quality is great. and allows me to create natural or native sounds live on any location.

    If it helps I have a very deep south female accent voice( I'm in NE Tennessee so it comes natural.)   I can control the southern accent a little if you need my voice  its kind of  Granny hillbilly old lady sounding..lol

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,076

    VoCo sounds good but of not much utility unless a plugin is sold to use in something like Unity 3D. 

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited December 2016

    This is an animation where I used one of the teens at our local high school. its kind of cute.

    HillBilly Tales - A Farmers Fable

     

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,050

    I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for... The OP seems to suggest you are looking for people to do character readings of scripted dialogue for a project... But I'm not getting the part about a cooperative basis.

    The idea of what it seems you are asking about seems fairly intriguing, but that could just be lack of sleep or the tarantula venom (long story)... The question also seems to imply that interested subjects be familiar with the sort of project you are doing.

    If you are interested in voice actors, but having experience in animation and or game work is not necessarily a prerequisite, it might be helpful to include some information in regards to what might be required of interested parties... Like, for example:  An average amount of dialogue that might be involved per character... How will someone's readings be shared, delivered and edited/critiqued (like when you are in a sound studio and the guy listening to you do a character says "Nice, but a little less Big Bird and a little bit more Ben Hur"... That sorta thing), whether or not this is for one project or a series... Stuff like that...

    I've done some radio characters in the past and I'm always doing different voices and accents... Like right now I'm re-reading this as Alfred the Great (the king, not Batman's butler... He was a fairly great guy though)... I'm pretty unreliable though... Otherwise one of my voices would recommend me, but I thought mentioning these and possibly a couple of other things my tarantula venom addled mind can't come up with at the moment and might give you more inquiries and help move your project forward.

    Probably the fact that it's Christmas Eve is gonna limit the number of responses, being that people are busy preparing for the holidays and gift wrapping the traditional Christmas tarantulas and stuff (FYI- when the guy at the tarantula store asks if you want the gift boxes... just buy them... They hate it when you wrap directly over them... That and they are easier to ship and stack), but I wish you well on your endeavor and happy holidays.

     

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,826
    edited December 2016

    "I've heard that accent but only once spoken by like a ten year old boy in a movie. As soon as I heard it I recognized that access as being common from decades earlier but I didn't know what part of the USA that accent comes from."

     

     

    There is a particular dialect in the US where they go up at the end of EVERY SENTENCE.  "Did you see the news last night? about the fire? at the zoo? Wasn't that terrible?"  If you've ever heard it, you know what I'm talking about.  Anything can be overdone.

     

     

     

    The raising the pitch at the end of every sentence began in the central valley of california amongst young white females in the 1980's ( valley girls)

    Today however I see a variant of it in the media all the time and this is my theory:

    People who do this are not very confident about their knowledge of subject matter about  which they are speaking and likely have self esteem issues or are not exprienced media savvy "pros"
    or they are discusssing a matter they dont feel has gained wide acceptance.
    They literally appear to be asking for permission to give the answers that  they are giving to the questions

    You see this voice inflection in inteviews of north american white women and white beta males

    People who are  recognized as absolute Authorites or have a strong command of the subject matter they are discussing NEVER, EVER us this voice inflection. no matter thier race of gender

    Look at how Neil Degrass Tyson  literally lectures an interveiwer about astrophysics for example.

    or Federal Reserve Chair Janet yellen discussing interest rates.

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  • Sitting here thinking about it now I think i've actually ever only heard that accent elsewhere spoken by the Beaver and some of the other characters in Leave it to Beaver, mostly the boys Beaver's age and with that now I'm thinking maybe it wasn't a real accent at all but an odd diction taught to actors some time ago. 

    This linguist says there are 15 dialects in the US.  I can pick out 4 or 5 by ear, but no more.  What the linguist said about the NY accent is interesting.  I wouldn't have guessed it.

    The Japanese ESL students I meet with are learning my accent.  Fortunately for them the people it CT, where I live, have little or no accent (or so it is said).  I showed them the clip of the old woman that sounds like my grandmother, and they couldn't understand it.  I have read that professional newscasters often go to school in the Midwestern US, because it is accent-neutral.

  • wolf359 said:

    The raising the pitch at the end of every sentence began in the central valley of california amongst young white females in the 1980's ( valley girls)

    Today however I see a variant of it in the media all the time and this is my theory:

    People who do this are not very confident about their knowledge of subject matter about  which they are speaking and likely have self esteem issues or are not exprienced media savvy "pros"
    or they are discusssing a matter they dont feel has gained wide acceptance.
    They literally appear to be asking for permission to give the answers that  they are giving to the questions

    You see this voice inflection in inteviews of north american white women and white beta males

    People who are  recognized as absolute Authorites or have a strong command of the subject matter they are discussing NEVER, EVER us this voice inflection. no matter thier race of gender

    Look at how Neil Degrass Tyson  literally lectures an interveiwer about astrophysics for example.

    or Federal Reserve Chair Janet yellen discussing interest rates.

    I agree it originated on the West Coast.  I first heard it in the early 90s from a young woman from Vancouver.  After that it spread south.  I believe it is an affectation, possibly intended to express surprise in every sentence.  Personally I find it tedious.  When I want a tedious character, they will use that voice.  No, there is no self-confidence in it at all.

    My English teacher taught us that, when writing an essay, never say I think or in my opinion or it seems to me.  If you expect me to believe what you say, she said, you must sound like you believe it yourself.  I learned to write and speak with confidence.  Now people say, So, do you think you know everything?  :-)  You can't win.

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,076

    Midwest is not completely accent neutral, as a kid I used to get a kick out of hearing them pronounce words with a long o in them, like no. And they talk though their nose, which if you don't is very weird when you try to if you don't. How do you even attempt to talk though your nose?

    I know of at least 3 dialects in the area of the country I live in, all varients of southern accents, but am not so good at picking out American English dialects elsewhere, except for the famous ones: NYC/NJ, Boston, and that generic midwestern/Californian/Western accent. It used to be when people heard a person from western USA speak that wasn't on the west coast you'd expect to hear a accent that was mostly a Texan varient of the twangy southern accent that is well known. 

    I don't think I've heard the Valley Girl accent since the 80s and I used to see a lot of TVs in the 90s. Valley Girl is a totally invented accent born of humor and sarcasm and when you hear journists sound like they are using it it's really a passive-aggressive way of insulting the integrity of the person they are interviewing but that really doesn't sound like a Valley Girl accent, a Valley Girl Accent is more intended to be harmless humorous sarcasm reflected in the extra exaggeration you hear in the questioning tone of voice, same thing a lot of journalists do, no in a non-agressive tone.

    The famous twangy hillbilly and southern accent you hear on TV never was as commonly universal in the south as TV, movies, news, and others would have you believe it but more common was the southern accent were hard t were dropped and words ran together and very softly breathlessly ennunciated. I call that a Georgia accent although I don't know where it originated because it's in the central Appalachians and Virginia and the Carolinas too.

  • McGyver said:

    I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for... The OP seems to suggest you are looking for people to do character readings of scripted dialogue for a project... But I'm not getting the part about a cooperative basis.

    In plain English, McGyver?  It means, read these lines, send me a file I can lipsync to, and in return I offer to do the same for you.

    I'm a retired old man.  I spent my life working to pay the bills, and if it was fun once in a while, great.  I paid my dues, no lie.  Now it's going to be the other way around.  I want to have fun now.  I insist on it.  I'm offering voice services for trade-out.  I wrote this post in the hopes of meeting like-minded souls.

    I know.  It sounds a bit hippy-dippy-ish.  What can I say. 

    Think of what Bob Dylan said; "You can be in my dream if I can be in yours." ;-)

  • Ivy said:

    I use a Zoom H2n MP3/wav recorder for voices and sound effects,  mostly because it portable and the sound quality is great. and allows me to create natural or native sounds live on any location.

    If it helps have a very deep south female accent voice( I'm in NE Tennessee so it comes natural.)   I can control the southern accent a little if you need my voice  its kind of  Granny hillbilly old lady sounding..lol

    I don't have any equipment I can carry around. I don't use a cell phone. I don't even own a television. I have a nice mike though. It's an Audio Technica. I have it on one of those Rode arms from Australia, you could pull a truck with it.

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  • Midwest is not completely accent neutral,

    Well, of course not - its people have America accents, like the rest of you. If you want to drop all traces of accent you of course need to speak like someone from the south-east of England (but not a Londoner).

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