OT - Adobe CS2 now free, perhaps
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Where do wild speculations roam? On the Savannas, the plains, the mountains? What does a wild speculation look like? Do they have horns like a dilemma? Sounds like a render contest to me! 8-o
LOL:-)
I just signed up for Adobe Cloud last week and I'm very happy with what you get for the price. I was very wary of using a cloud service because I did not want to have to access software from the internet, but you download the programs to your own computer and use them just as if you owned them. Only Muse (the WYSIWYG web creator, which is also very nice) needs an internet connect to run (and mostly only when previewing your site). Because I bought Photoshop CS5, my monthly rate is $29 for the first year, but I'm almost sure I'll continue it for full price next year too even if I don't make any money using the software.
I think Photoshop needs to connect to the Internet once a month to validate your license. But I agree, it's a great value. Having managed to get most of the previous versions of the Suites, I much prefer this business model.
I figure if I subscribed for a year, I could have paid less just to upgrade and have something that lasts more than a year. That's why I think the subscription prices are too high. The only benefit is if you continue to subscribe, you get the upgrade when it comes out. It would depend on how often we use the software versus the monthly cost. I'd rather own the software and use it as long as I want. Besides, with the subscription you can't upgrade and that's another downside for me. The only upgrading we can do will cost more monthly fees and we still don't own it.
That really depends whether you already own the programs or not. I only own Photoshop CS5, so I would rather pay a monthly fee and get free software upgrades than buy After Effects for $900, Flash for $700, etc and then have to pay $300 or so again for upgrades whenever CS7 comes out. If you only need one or two programs (which I might after the year, don't know yet), then yes, you're probably better off buying each one.
I think that Adobe makes a sharp divide between their "Professional" users and their "Hobby" users.
For the hobbists they have the "...Elements" products (i.e. PhotoshopElements and PremierElements). Those are cool in their arena but the corresponding professional products (PhotoshopCSx and PremierPro) have so much more to offer for those users who want to get beyond the Tinker-Toy level. Especially when you start using the pro products as a suite encompassing a broad workflow covering many graphic disciplines to achieve your final product.
I believe Adobe's philosophy is that the hobbiest will pay about $100 and that's it, but the professional will pay whatever we charge. I also believe that they've realized that that philosophy ain't quite working out so well so they sweetened the pot a little with this cloud concept but still they want to suck about $400 a year from you. Gives them quite a nice cashflow ledger.
I like the pro products because they are very complete. So much complete that after about 10 years of working with Photoshop I still find dusty corners that solve a particular problem. Not to mention my lesser skills with Illustrator, Premier and AfterEffects even as old as my copies are. I love software that is done right! Not saying they don't have problems but the goal of the products is to set the standard, and they have for a long time.
I just wish there were a marketing model where we could specify the bundle we want and get a decent discount for buying say, any three in a bundle for a significant discount of the individual products instead of buying the whole CS suite containing many products I have absolutely no interest in. They created several suites with specific products to match an industry need. They've got a magazine suite, and video suite, and web suite, and complete suite but I'd like to see a "pick-your-own suite".
I'm not at all fond of the "cloud" concept. I'm an old-timer I want my to buy my software and to hell with the concept of perpetually leasing it. Needless to say I don't own an iPod, smart-phone, or tablet. 8-o
I've never purchased any of the Elements versions of Adobe products. I've only purchased the full versions especially since I used them in college for classes then upgraded from the student versions to the full versions. I also go for the Pro versions because they have the features I'm looking for. I don't do the bundled CS packages because they only have a few programs I'm interested in and they're too expensive especially if they have to be upgraded from.
I think this cloud concept might be good for those willing to shell out money every month, but it's a ripoff for me. If I was running a business, it might be worth it instead of upgrading every year. I like your concept of picking your own suite. That's why it would never work for me to get the bundled suites they have now. I only use Premiere Pro, Photoshop, and Acrobat. Sometimes I use Dreamweaver and Audition, but not often.
I don't own an iPod, smart phone, or tablet either. I have a cheap cell phone I hardly use. All of these electronic devices are overrated.
I think that's a misquided way of looking at it. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with anything not working. That's easily determined by the fact that everyone is going the way of the cloud now. It's just another sign (like Internet being integrated into more devices like Smart TVs), of the future of how ubiquitous the Internet will be, and how storage will grow increasingly virtual.
I'm sure in the long run the cloud may prove more profitable for Adobe, but I don't see anything to conclude that their previous philosophy was failing.
For the other hobbyists ... those big grey .exe files are zippers. They can be unzipped with the free 7zip program. As at least one of the them otherwise needs to be run in XPSp2 mode to work, 7zip is great :-)
If one uninstalls one of the listed programs [i.e. the movie one], one will have to reinstall Photoshop so it can find itself again. Does a 'repair' install :-)
I think that's a misquided way of looking at it. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with anything not working. That's easily determined by the fact that everyone is going the way of the cloud now. It's just another sign (like Internet being integrated into more devices like Smart TVs), of the future of how ubiquitous the Internet will be, and how storage will grow increasingly virtual.
I'm sure in the long run the cloud may prove more profitable for Adobe, but I don't see anything to conclude that their previous philosophy was failing.
Well perhaps. I was thinking more in the line that the full big suite for $$$$ has a relatively limited market and that market might be getting close to be saturated. Programmers are getting more expensive, keeping the lights on is getting more expensive, translating into umpteen different languages is getting expensive, so given the choice of upping the price on the suite yet again or finding some way for more people to join the exclusive club and convincing them to send them money every month in perpetuity was probably an idea that resounded around the boardroom table and found it's time with the advent of the "cloud". So now, like Cadillacs, the little people can have one too if willing to buy on installments. 8-o
Ask DAZ if getting people to send you money every month in perpetuity ain't a bad idea!
(* "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" he's just pulling your levers *)
I think that's a misquided way of looking at it. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with anything not working. That's easily determined by the fact that everyone is going the way of the cloud now. It's just another sign (like Internet being integrated into more devices like Smart TVs), of the future of how ubiquitous the Internet will be, and how storage will grow increasingly virtual.
I'm sure in the long run the cloud may prove more profitable for Adobe, but I don't see anything to conclude that their previous philosophy was failing.
Depends on their specific business model. If it works for them then they're off to the races. Using the Cloud is still new and it's really exciting to think about the possibilities. But history shows that often the first wave has many failures since it takes time and many experiments for things to settle out.
Stay tuned.
My interpretation of Adobe's silence means the attorneys are still working on it, and what Adobe has already said could be used against them.
There is a graphic on one website's forum that shows a conversation between a customer and one of the chat reps claiming it is free to use for anyone including those who don't have a valid CS2 license. From personal experience, many times with Adobe chat reps, they don't always know the facts and can be very misleading. Most are non-US citizens who don't have a good grasp of the English language so anything they say could be an error on their part.
I think it's safer to just not install it until we hear an official word from Adobe. Most of what I've seen on other sites is just speculation and wishful thinking. I've never known Adobe to give away software unless it's a trial. They don't even sell old software. I'd be willing to purchase older versions if they were available.
Maybe so, but ... I think that Adobe would never own a shot in the foot.
and if the officials had misinterpreted as free, have already closed the download link. Because "After Effects" this is not on this list!?! Because they took the after effects?? I think they know what they're doing Since version CS5.5, Adobe's software are all for only 64-bit system.Adobe is discarding platform 32 bit
I think Adobe wants to increase its margin of users, and they taste after taking the software will finally buy a current version.
The latest I've heard from an Adobe rep (Dov) is that it isn't free and now everybody in the forums are trying to justify keeping it because it was posted on Adobe's website. Very interesting over there. One person says now all these freeloaders are customers.
Like I said over there, I wonder how many people are still using CS2 products. They've probably all upgraded since then. It's possible this was never meant to go public and somebody goofed. I've never heard of Adobe giving any software away (except the Reader and Flash Player).
Well, I'm still using GoLive CS2. Once I get some Dreamweaver training I won't be. But I still am now.
Hell, I'm still running FreeHand 10.
If they were smart, they'd release the CS2 suite as free, and draw more people in, then whet their appetites for more powerful software. Which the customers would have to buy.
Even if only 1% of 100.000 downloads leads to somebody buying their stuff. They'd gain 1000 new customers. And 1000 is still better than 0.
I never cared much for GoLive. I have one of the pre-CS versions and I thought it was more difficult to use. Dreamweaver was much easier since I started with the Macromedia version and liked it. Only the MM version crashed a lot.
I'm still using my CS2 and I'm still on Winxp too; not everybody can afford the latest and greatest and if it still works what's the problem?
Yes, those who bought CS2 then, probably all upgraded, as for most of us, like myself, who do not have any version of photoshop ... The CS2 is a new year gift!!!!! !!
Is Dov Isaacs post still there? When I checked the links yesterday or the day before, intending to post them again, it was gone - perhaps they've moved it and that's broken the link?
I haven't been able to find it anywhere...even Googling for it. Any links I can find, go back to that original, now dead link.
I ran CS5.5 and CS6 on a 32-bit system, so that's not true. Unless you are just referring to Adobe Premiere and After Effects, because neither of those ran on 32-bit systems.
Which links are you saying??
Yes, you're right! I got confused.
Only Adobe Premiere and After Effects
sorry
what link do you want - my link still works .
Not exactly correct. When I was in college, I wanted to get the academic version and they told me that my school had to be on their special llist of approved schools.
Also seems to work only for schools in the US. If you teach elsewhere, in another non-approved school, or overseas, sorry, no academic version for you. I asked 2 years ago and that was their answer.
hence why I never bought it. :(
Well they gave you incorrect information then. I bought the CS5 academic version 2 years ago, overseas, in the Netherlands. Our school isn't on any approved by adobe list, we're just a local high school. In the Netherlands there's an organisation that works with colleges and high school arranging all these academic licenses. If you work on a high school you can order adobe software and many other stuff through them and they take care of the whole academic license stuff. Of course they do need proof that you a student or working at a high school / college. All I had to do is supply them with my school email address and they took care of the rest. I paid roughly $20 for CS5 design web premium then and if I want I can get CS6 for the same amount. If I prefer CorelDraw or Painter or PSP, I can get that for a good price there as well and lot's of other software. At that time, they even had 3D Studio Max for $100. Now they splitted the sales into high school and college and max is under a college license.
So, you can still get adobe academic licenses, but you need to find out who is the official distributor in the country you live in. Adobe should have been polite enough to refer you to them.
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html
Dov Isaacs link... http://forums.adobe.com/message/4974662#4974662
His message was deleted, then the official Adobe update was that while it could be interpreted as a freebie, they did it to help their customers.
Subsequently, the CS2 download page was changed so that you could access downloads and serial numbers without even having to login/register.
After that, silence.
If it's not a freebie, all they need to do is take down the download page and make an exclusive arrangement for registered customers.
Personally, I think they did make a mistake, but then decided to just run with it - the more people that are comfortable with their user interface, the more people will become paying customers. After all, that's the entire reason for discounted student versions of programs, it's not charity, it's to get their foot in the door so when people try out rival software, it feels wrong because you're already used to using their interface (not forgetting a sweet tax bonus too).
Yes, it was the link to Dov Isaacs' post I meant - which post-dated 9and quoted) the blog comment about the files being there for their customers. The fact that it has been removed doesn't, however, mean that they are explicitly approving the downloading - it just makes it that much harder to figure out what they are doing.
Anyway ... I think there was a flood / storm downloads. Now the whole world should have at least one product adobe.