OT - Adobe CS2 now free, perhaps

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969
  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
    edited April 2014

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
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    I don't think "a" and "an" are so difficult to deal with though when you know how to pronounce the words which usually is obvious from the first letter in the word. It gets more tricky when used with words like "herb" where many who are not so familiar with the language don't know the "h" in "herb" is mute in US but not in UK so in US you say "an herb" but in UK "a herb" (at least that's how I understand it). It gets even trickier if there's an adjective put in like "an colorful herb". ...

    As described in the last article I pointed to, it's the sound of the immediately following word, be it noun or adjective, that establishes whether to use "a", or "an". So in the case of the phrase "a colorful herb" it's the consonant "c" in "colorful" that dictates use of the "a". Whereas one would use "an" in the phrase "an odiferous herb", because of the vowel "o" in "odiferous" regardless of how you pronounce "herb".

    Well I have several times seen it being expressed the way I describe it ("an colorful herb") so apparently there are different opinions about it then. I do agree though that it sounds odd, literally.

  • TheWheelManTheWheelMan Posts: 1,014
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
    Taozen said:
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    I don't think "a" and "an" are so difficult to deal with though when you know how to pronounce the words which usually is obvious from the first letter in the word. It gets more tricky when used with words like "herb" where many who are not so familiar with the language don't know the "h" in "herb" is mute in US but not in UK so in US you say "an herb" but in UK "a herb" (at least that's how I understand it). It gets even trickier if there's an adjective put in like "an colorful herb". ...

    As described in the last article I pointed to, it's the sound of the immediately following word, be it noun or adjective, that establishes whether to use "a", or "an". So in the case of the phrase "a colorful herb" it's the consonant "c" in "colorful" that dictates use of the "a". Whereas one would use "an" in the phrase "an odiferous herb", because of the vowel "o" in "odiferous" regardless of how you pronounce "herb".

    Well I have several times seen it being expressed the way I describe it ("an colorful herb") so apparently there are different opinions about it then. I do agree though that it sounds odd, literally.

    Seeing it expressed that way doesn't mean it was correctly expressed that way. :-)

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited January 2013

    Taozen said:
    Taozen said:
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    I don't think "a" and "an" are so difficult to deal with though when you know how to pronounce the words which usually is obvious from the first letter in the word. It gets more tricky when used with words like "herb" where many who are not so familiar with the language don't know the "h" in "herb" is mute in US but not in UK so in US you say "an herb" but in UK "a herb" (at least that's how I understand it). It gets even trickier if there's an adjective put in like "an colorful herb". ...

    As described in the last article I pointed to, it's the sound of the immediately following word, be it noun or adjective, that establishes whether to use "a", or "an". So in the case of the phrase "a colorful herb" it's the consonant "c" in "colorful" that dictates use of the "a". Whereas one would use "an" in the phrase "an odiferous herb", because of the vowel "o" in "odiferous" regardless of how you pronounce "herb".

    Well I have several times seen it being expressed the way I describe it ("an colorful herb") so apparently there are different opinions about it then. I do agree though that it sounds odd, literally.

    Seeing it expressed that way doesn't mean it was correctly expressed that way. :-)

    Sorry I let this get sidetracked. This is my absolute last word on this. I promise.
    I too have seen the "a"/"an" situation used clumsily. Too many times. It's not evidence of other opinions, It's evidence of ignorance or at the very least, of carelessness. And I hope that one doesn't use newspapers or (*shudder*) web articles as examples of well constructed grammar. Newspapers these days are an absolute joke. Well perhaps the big ones still hire people who know how to write but any newspaper with less than a million circulation is teetering on bankruptcy and cuts corners at every turn. Competent writers and editors seem to be the first to go. And don't get me started on web bloggers and other semi-literate creatures. The problem is we learn our speech patterns from listening to people and we learn our writing skills from reading. And the expression "garbage in, equals garbage out" applies as well to our communication skills as it does to computer databases.

    And please don't hold my feet to the fire about any errors I may have in my postings. I'm especially bad about commas and I don't claim that there is an absolute right way but for some things (like the "a"/"an" thing) there is linguistic logic behind it that is almost intuitively obvious to the most casual observer once it's pointed out. On the other hand if you come up to me and say you'd "like to axe me a question" I'd probably just turn and walk away.

    And just to keep this post ever so slightly on topic I'm in the process of testing some of the Adobe CS2 products on a Win8Pro 64-bit system. I'll be back with some results.

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
    Taozen said:
    [ ...

    I don't think "a" and "an" are so difficult to deal with though when you know how to pronounce the words which usually is obvious from the first letter in the word. It gets more tricky when used with words like "herb" where many who are not so familiar with the language don't know the "h" in "herb" is mute in US but not in UK so in US you say "an herb" but in UK "a herb" (at least that's how I understand it). It gets even trickier if there's an adjective put in like "an colorful herb". ...

    As described in the last article I pointed to, it's the sound of the immediately following word, be it noun or adjective, that establishes whether to use "a", or "an". So in the case of the phrase "a colorful herb" it's the consonant "c" in "colorful" that dictates use of the "a". Whereas one would use "an" in the phrase "an odiferous herb", because of the vowel "o" in "odiferous" regardless of how you pronounce "herb".

    Well I have several times seen it being expressed the way I describe it ("an colorful herb") so apparently there are different opinions about it then. I do agree though that it sounds odd, literally.

    Seeing it expressed that way doesn't mean it was correctly expressed that way. :-)

    No, but I guess I must have thought that "since it isn't logical but many do it anyway, it's probably the 'correct' way to do it". If you get my point... :-)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,200
    edited December 1969

    this thread has taken a very strange turn %-P
    I thought my portable FAT drive was oddly named for such a slim little unit ;-P

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited January 2013

    this thread has taken a very strange turn %-P
    I thought my portable FAT drive was oddly named for such a slim little unit ;-P

    I thought a FAT drive was when you took the car to the doughnut store!

    Back on topic again. I've apparently successfully installed Adobe PremierPro 2.0 on Windows8Pro 64-bit.

    I didn't let it install into "...\Program Files(x86)" but directed it instead to "C:\Adobe\..."

    I installed as a "Standard" user but had to provide the administrative password.

    However, successful install does not mean successful execution. :(
    After I get through the registration page (I didn't register) and the "Start new project" page it brings up the interface windows but then pops up a window with an "OK" button in it and the cursor just spins and the interface is hung. I waited about 4 minutes and eventually aborted it. :( Maybe it needs to run as administrator. I'll try that.

    Edited to add:
    Well, it worked as administrator but I logged back in as a "Standard" user and it worked there this time too. I think the issue was related to the fact that the pop-up with the "OK" button was telling my my audio card didn't have sufficient features. I told PremierPro to not warn me anymore and after that the interface worked OK. I haven't made a video yet but at least the interface doesn't wig out on me.

    I used Premier6 for many years and produced a lot of standard 4x3 and 16x9 digital videos but damn, now I have no excuse for not getting an HD video camera and a heftier computer to handle all that video processing.

    The only thing about installing this copy of PremierPro2.0 that I haven't elected to do yet is "Activate" it. I guess if I don't it will time out in 30 days or so. I'll have to think about this a while.

    I installed the PhotoshopCS2 download onto the same Windows8 machine as a Standard user into folder "C:\Adobe\..." I eventually had to set the "Run as Administrator" option to keep the AdobeUpdater from asking me for permission every time I start the program during the program load. I still have to give the admininistrative password but it's at the beginning of the process not in the middle. However, the good news is that it works! I actually have a purchased copy of Adobe PhotoshopCS2 in the original box but never tried it on Win8.

    Edited to add more:
    Back to PremierPro2.0, apparently you don't have to "Activate" it. The "Help-->Activate" and "Help-->Transfer Activation" are grayed out.

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  • edited December 1969

    As for amazing plugins, I've just stumbled across Filter Forge. Wow! It's 70% off right now, too. After playing with the trial and downloading all of those amazing filters, I'm totally hooked. :)

  • SotoSoto Posts: 1,440
    edited December 1969

    Filter Forge is awesome. I love it. Its stand alone too.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...so can you upgrade from one edition to the next as well? The Pro is still a bit much but I am interested in the Standard edition.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Photoshop CS2 doesn't have to be activated either. So long as it works and keeps working I'll be happy.

    CHEERS!

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    The download page(s) are all also openly available via a Google search. And we all said "thank you Adobe" ... and moved on to talking about "a" and "an" ... my how things change.

    The rules taught years back were fairly simple. It's "an" before a vowel, and "a" before a consonant. The only exception being SOMETIMES for the letter "h" because "h" can be considered either a vowel OR a consonant and THAT is 'the only' letter of the alphabet for which it would matter "how it sounds when used" as to whether or not to place the "an" or "a" before it.

  • edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...so can you upgrade from one edition to the next as well? The Pro is still a bit much but I am interested in the Standard edition.

    Yes, no problem with that. I've done a lot of research on this before I buy it. But you can still use/download all the filters made in 3.0 and below after 4.0 comes out. They don't make you upgrade.

    The nice thing about the professional is that if you're into texturing, it will print out normal, bump, specularity maps, etc. But it is a bit pricey.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    ...
    I installed the PhotoshopCS2 download onto the same Windows8 machine as a Standard user into folder "C:\Adobe\..." I eventually had to set the "Run as Administrator" option to keep the AdobeUpdater from asking me for permission every time I start the program during the program load. I still have to give the admininistrative password but it's at the beginning of the process not in the middle. However, the good news is that it works! I actually have a purchased copy of Adobe PhotoshopCS2 in the original box but never tried it on Win8.
    ...

    Copy the settings for AdobeUpdaterPrefs.dat in C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Updater from your Admin folder to the user folder.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited January 2013

    When installing photoshop Cs2,
    he was installed along with another program, called Image Ready.
    what is this image ready? he seems to have everything there in photoshop
    what is the purpose of this?

    The main thing that I've used ImageReady for is making animated GIFs like my squirrel avatar above. ImageReady has all the controls to modify all the special options of GIF images, and specifically, the display time for each individual frame in the GIF. Many of these features have been rolled into modern versions of Photoshop but back in the days of Adobe CS2 products those features were in ImageReady. If you bought PhotoshopCS2 you also got ImageReadyCS2 (and the Adobe BridgeCS2). You were able to flip between Photoshop and ImageReady with a single click on the toolbox. Kind of like switching between DAZ Studio and Bryce.

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  • Miss BMiss B Posts: 3,071
    edited December 1969

    When installing photoshop Cs2,
    he was installed along with another program, called Image Ready.
    what is this image ready? he seems to have everything there in photoshop
    what is the purpose of this?

    The main thing that I've used ImageReady for is making animated GIFs like my squirrel avatar above. ImageReady has all the controls to modify all the special options of GIF images, and specifically, the display time for each individual frame in the GIF. Many of these features have been rolled into modern versions of Photoshop but back in the days of Adobe CS2 products those features were in ImageReady. If you bought PhotoshopCS2 you also got ImageReadyCS2 (and the Adobe BridgeCS2). You were able to flip between Photoshop and ImageReady with a single click on the toolbox. Kind of like switching between DAZ Studio and Bryce.
    Oh this so brings back memories. I haven't done any animated images in years, but when I first started in web design I used ImageReady7 which came with Potoshop7, to make rollover buttons. I liked it because it would generate the generic HTML code to go with them, which I could then copy into my HTML text editor and set them up for the site I was working on.

    I've tried other animation software like Animation Shop that came with old versions of Paint Shop Pro, and ImageReady7 did a much better job of it, and the resulting GIFs were always lighter in weight, which was good back in the days of old version 4 browsers and lower bandwidth.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited January 2013

    OK, so I've played with the downloadable version of Adobe Audition3 it installed on Windows8Pro 64-bit, but I installed it into the non-special folder "C:\Adobe". I installed it as a Standard user but had to provide the administrative password.

    It executes but initially gave me a warning about my audio card using direct input and not being able to record. I Googled this problem and got a clue that it could either be an inadequate driver for the audio card or just needing a microphone plugged into the card's input jack. I didn't look for a better driver. I just plugged a microphone into the jack and it still didn't work. Then I played around with the "Audio Hardware Setup" preferences in Audition3 and enabled the microphone DirectSound input configuration dialog and it all seems to work. My input level is very low but I'm using probably a 50 cent microphone that's about 20 years old. (I've also got a professional studio mic & pre-amp but they're neatly packed away somewhere.)

    I also noticed that when Audition3 unpacks its zip file there is a copy of AdobeBridgeCS3 in there. It doesn't seem to get installed by default but I was able to click on its "startup.exe" file and it installed OK apparently leaving BridgeCS2 still functional too.

    As nice as these tools are I will probably never get beyond the "ooh, & aah", stage. The machines that I have them running on are pretty puny and I don't really have any projects in mind for them, and my poor old brain doesn't climb learning curves as easily as it used to. I'm still struggling with Photoshop and Illustrator even though I've had them for a decade or more. I'm not really trusting enough to install any of these old Adobe products on my spiffy main computer because of my previous experience with mixing old & new Adobe on the same machine.

    Also, I haven't done real-world testing on these products. They start and don't crash immediately. That's all I can say for sure. I suspect that there are some "gotchas" waiting to jump out the moment someone has to rely on these old products on new machines. Murphy's Law. 8-o

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,200
    edited December 1969

    this one?
    get that on record on individual track but not transport on bottom, still records

    warning.jpg
    588 x 229 - 35K
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited January 2013

    this one?
    get that on record on individual track but not transport on bottom, still records

    Well, no. But yes, I get that one too. The one I'm thinking of is titled "Adobe Default Windows Sound Driver" and says: "The currently installed soundcard driver does not support DirectSound Input Record audio is not possible." But only when I have the microphone unplugged when I start Audition3. If I plug in the microphone and restart Audition3 I don't get the message but that was after I had enabled "Microphone" in the "Edit-->Audio Hardware Setup...-->Control Panel" dialog. The exact details depends on the sophistication of your sound card. But in essence if you want to record from a microphone you need to make sure you have one, it's plugged in, it's enabled all the way through the system, and it's selected. Duh!!!

    I don't know what the option "Release ASIO Driver in Background" is. It doesn't seem to matter if it's checked or not???

    I guess I'll have to see if I can find a manual for Audition3 :-(

    After browsing through the menus and settings I'm blown away by this recording/mixing application. It's got frequency analysis!! The last time I messed around with digital recording I used some freebie application that had the basics and it got the job done and I was satisfied, but this Audition, like all major Adobe products has all the bells & whistles and makes you realize how little you really know about the technology.

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  • riftwitchriftwitch Posts: 1,405
    edited December 1969

    this one?
    get that on record on individual track but not transport on bottom, still records

    You can get better latency with ASIO. I use ASIO4all (asio4all.com). It's a good, free ASIO driver.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,454
    edited December 1969

    riftwitch said:
    this one?
    get that on record on individual track but not transport on bottom, still records

    You can get better latency with ASIO. I use ASIO4all (asio4all.com). It's a good, free ASIO driver.
    It looks like http://asio4all.com/ is down, but I have found it on Cnet
    http://download.cnet.com/ASIO4ALL/3000-2120_4-75724497.html

  • jorge dorlandojorge dorlando Posts: 1,157
    edited December 1969

    Now, After Effects is included in the list
    http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html

  • SotoSoto Posts: 1,440
    edited December 1969

    Along with this disclaimer in scary red:

    The serial numbers below should only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products.

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    It didn't have the red notice when I downloaded CS2 and Audition from there. They are bolting the stable door after the horse has fled in my opinion.

  • jorge dorlandojorge dorlando Posts: 1,157
    edited December 1969

    It didn't have the red notice when I downloaded CS2 and Audition from there. They are bolting the stable door after the horse has fled in my opinion.


    When I downloaded photoshop CS2 also did not have this warning.
    Also, I think that this announcement came late ... Now that everyone has downloaded the software ....

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,614
    edited December 1969

    Now, After Effects is included in the list
    http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html

    .
    I'm glad.
    I was wondering why it wasn't included in the first place.
  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,614
    edited December 1969

    There is an interesting article I just read...
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33153_7-57563544-10391733/why-adobe-and-other-vendors-should-give-away-older-software/
    .
    It talks about companies giving away older software and why that's a good thing.
    .
    Worth a read no matter what side of the discussion you're on.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited January 2013

    Hellboy said:
    Along with this disclaimer in scary red:

    The serial numbers below should only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products.

    But the sentence immediately before that is "Adobe strongly advises against running unsupported and outdated software." The phrase "strongly advises" is not a prohibition. And far from being a legal repremand, the word "should" in the other sentence is rather wishy washy.

    As I've said before from long previous experience, trying to run old Adobe software mixed with new Adobe software on modern machines can get clunky, buggy, and frustrating because of all the gunk that Adobe keeps in the Windows "Registry". However, some of these older products do work tolerably well if you remember the caveats about their proper installation places and original Windows interfaces. Installing them into non-special folders, running them as administrators, and perhaps even running them under XP emulation might alieviate some problems if they pop-up.

    I'm still of the opinion that they opened the bottle and the genie escaped. Whether it was intentional or not, the result is not debatable. Somebody pointed out that Adobe probably doesn't want to get accused of "dumping" onto the market so they have to cover their ass with at least weak attempts to post a notice on the open barn door saying that the horses that were in the barn were theirs but who knows where they went. And besides, they were glue nags anyway.

    I actually have a legitimate copy of AfterEffects but I'm downloading the one offered on the website along with its license key. It's not a horse it's a hippo at 2.6GB !!!! 8-o I've been downloading for 20 minutes and am at 4%. The downloader's estimate is for 12 more hours. :-(

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  • bighbigh Posts: 8,147
    edited December 1969

    Hellboy said:
    Along with this disclaimer in scary red:

    The serial numbers below should only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products.

    But the sentence immediately before that is "Adobe strongly advises against running unsupported and outdated software." The phrase "strongly advises" is not a prohibition. And far from being a legal repremand, the word "should" in the other sentence is rather wishy washy.

    As I've said before from long previous experience, trying to run old Adobe software mixed with new Adobe software on modern machines can get clunky, buggy, and frustrating because of all the gunk that Adobe keeps in the Windows "Registry". However, some of these older products do work tolerably well if you remember the caveats about their proper installation places and original Windows interfaces. Installing them into non-special folders, running them as administrators, and perhaps even running them under XP emulation might alieviate some problems if they pop-up.

    I'm still of the opinion that they opened the bottle and the genie escaped. Whether it was intentional or not, the result is not debatable. Somebody pointed out that Adobe probably doesn't want to get accused of "dumping" onto the market so they have to cover their ass with at least weak attempts to post a notice on the open barn door saying that the horses that were in the barn were theirs but who knows where they went. And besides, they were glue nags anyway.

    I actually have a legitimate copy of AfterEffects but I'm downloading the one offered on the website along with its license key. It's not a horse it's a hippo at 2.6GB !!!! 8-o I've been downloading for 20 minutes and am at 4%. The downloader's estimate is for 12 more hours. :-(

    Boy I feel good now - the hippo is taking me 6 hours ( all most done )

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