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"Everyone I don't agree with is a troll. Also, let Webroot tell you who is a troll and who isn't."
the old forum gave leetl green boxes.
adopt a llama badge?
mebbe i should go with a Trollup label. tee hee
And we totally appreciate the hard work you guys all do. (typos and all lol) I haven't put anyone on ignore in this forum yet, as I am usually pretty good at just walking away from a thread that is beginning to irritate me lol. I also remind myself that I may be reading something into someone's statement that isn't there since I can't see their body language or facial expressions. I do appreciate having the option though lol.
It depends on how it's worded. I'm more likely to respect a comment I disagree with if it's clearly stated that its the poster's opnion than if it's phrased as an insult of some kind.
Why would anyone want to ignore this adorable guy?
+1
Agreed. And most such get escorted out by our highly capable moderators. :-)
I have only ever ignored one person on this forum (can't say who). Having said that, I'm sure I'm ignored by more than a few :P
Laurie
It's kind of interesting the different culture that has developed with the internet. Prior to the internet most of our interactions with other people were in person. Or on the phone. And in that environment people are far less likely to behave like their inner 6-year-old. We know who people are, we see them and look them in the eye.
But with the internet everyone is hiding behind a strange name, and nobody knows who we are. So everyone is free to tap into their inner 6-year-old, without having to put on a polite front.
I'm guessing that if you met in person some of the people you consider "trolls", you'd have an entirely different view of them. But on the internet people can let their egos take over, and call others names and do stuff they'd probably never do to someone's face.
So people growing up in the internet age must feel like the world is this terrible place filled with trolls who always hurt their feelings. And to make it worse, instead of being taught to just ignore them, or take the good and discard the rest, people seem encouraged to make a big deal of it and let their emotions take over. And we expect life to have moderators who somehow figure out all the things that might upset us and shut down the discussions so we don't get hurt.
LOL, agree. I haven't ignored anyone yet, but there are a couple that make me think about it from time to time, I honestly don't see the point though, especially with how heavy handed effective the moderators are.
That is a very valid point of view!
does posting in this thread means i'm a troll?
or trollup
I thought you were fighting trolls....
, Or does saying that make me a troll....
(Ouch, you'll be fighting me then.....)
On a more serious level, never did hit an 'ignore' button for anyone; simply don't react (any longer) if I think it's not worth it,,,,,,
<<<< Official Troll hunter.... well My Khajiit called Khajiit is.... they attacked his home several times, killed his chickens and Khajiit's Horse III. Khajiit shows no mercy to Trolls!
my workmates make any internet trolls look like kittens.
I have one who continually calls me a adjective that rhymes with trucking moron, keep telling her my given birth name is Wendy and in a professional environment I expect her to use it, which only sets her off more.
I'd echo Kyoto Kid: great moderation here, rarely over-heavy - well worth the 125% discount. I have always found this a very friendly and supportive community & a refreshing change from some others.
...for myself it's what rhymes with "Brick Yard" but the first word begins with an "L" and and ends in a "B" with the second beginiing with a "T". .
FWIW, here's my own version of how to deal with internet trolls:
Instead of taking the approach "you said something to hurt my feelings therefore I hate you forever", try a different approach. How about trying to turn an enemy into a friend?
In my experience, the following tends to work surprisingly well:
At the end of the day, I think most people are just looking for a little validation. Some do it by making others look bad so they themselves look better in comparison. Others do it by spending hours and days arguing their point until somebody finally concedes (which nobody ever does...).
I dunno, in the real world we have to deal with the people around us. And personally I don't recall ever having a moderator to protect me in real life. Nor would I ever expect someone to figure out the things that might possibly offend me and protect me from them. That's my job.
TROLLs are usually there JUST TO ARGUE and stir up trouble. Rile you up, if you will. Many don't believe what they are saying/typing and half the fun is to continue to battle AFTER they have been proven wrong. When the argument part fails, it's time to switch what they are arguing about and after that well runs dry, hurl insults...
and the final technique is to play victim. Anything to extend the back and forth.
I've seen epic clashes where one side actually switches their argument - and argues that they've agreed from the start, but the other side 'missed their point'.
I don't know why, but the engagement part is what drives them.
They say "Don't feed the trolls" and ignoring someone that wants to do nothing but WATCH you fight is the only defense.
There is no victory in 'being right' because they never wanted to be right to begin with.
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The moderators here are probably on their job like crazy, because the common troll thing is to say something incendiary and then watch the sparks fly and only show back up to stoke the flames. I have no idea why people do that.
So don't engage. Seems simple, but so many people seem incapable of self-restraint, and have to jump in. And as a result they make themselves miserable. I don't blame the trolls, they're just acting like 6 year olds. I blame the people who can't restrain themselves, jump into the argument, and then turn around and blame others for their lack of restraint.
They've had a raise! Bless.
Ignore makes it easier not to engage and in a lot of venues in real life if someone is consistently awful I just avoid them. Which is like real life Ignore.
And this forum is pretty good, which is why it's the only one I'm on nowadays.
One thing I learned from much worse places is that being open minded and free speech and so on doesn't earn you magic purity points. No point making myself miserable having to put up with it.
It's not like I'm unaware of other views and voices or can't find a hundred jerks arguing for any terrible idea with an easy Google search or reading the news.
Sometimes it's just nice to kick back somewhere and chat about art without being reminded how absolutely awful lots of people are, for a change.
I know a lot of people come down on the heavy handedness of the mods here sometimes, but I appreciate the work they do. I'd rather have vigilant mods and a decent community than watch yet another thread go down in ugly app-war flames because some poor newbie mentioned what they like about the competitor's product.
My opinion: it's not lack of restraint to attempt to correct a misconception about a product or attempt to clarify if someone's statement is their opinion of a product, and disagree with them if it seems to be the latter.
At the same time, the forums here feel like the inside of a church, rather than a public park like another site I hang out on.
the troll I had issues with a few years back was someone who repeatedly replied to every post in a software forum rubbishing said software, that fits my definition of a troll, sadly he was careful to never be abusive (extremely polite) and stayed within the TOS, so others who used the software in question and defended it got into strife not him.
Public parks, sometimes people wee on your leg. ;)
Oh, I thought of another great thing about Ignore.
There are some posters who make exquisitely designed and rendered scenes with subject matter I find unpleasant, for one reason or another.
I don't hate those posters, they have every right to post, but I don't want to see any of their images. So... plonk.
Crickey. Well, each to their own. For me, the avoidance of images on a visual arts site is a great reason to ignore the ignore button.
I've never used the 'ignore' feature and am mildly surprised by how many people do. Just as in real life, I have a mental list of people and subjects I avoid, and I do. The only time I've ever used anything like it was when I was a Powerseller on eBay and used a 'blocked bidders' list, but that was only to save myself admin time instead of letting people who had been trouble in the past do the same thing all over again. The main drawback for me with my mental ignore list (or any other kind) is that once people are on there I remember it forever, but almost immediately forget why I put them there. Consequently, no one ever gets a second chance with me. Admittedly you have to do a lot to get on there, but maybe I'd give some the opportunity to redeem themselves if I could only remember what they'd done!
There might be something in the 'paying people a compliment' thing (whether or not it's in front of others), as I do try to find something nice to say to sweeten anything I'm saying that might be perceived as spiky, but there's no way I'd ever say I was in agreement with something that I wasn't. I would not continue to argue, though. Having stated my views and examined the views of the 'opposition' to see if there was anything in them that might change my mind, I would just tell them it was not something we could ever agree on and leave it there.
So... agreeing to something whether or not you agree is not something we could ever agree on :)