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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    pov2

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    inside

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    pov3

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    MadisonXF said:
    Here is a new version of the portrait I posted a page or two back. I changed the skin to Bree so that I can have a no-eyebrow option (wish that was standard with all skins!), upgraded to Interjection skin and eye shaders, copied the hair settings from Reby Elite hair, and pushed raytracing from 0 to 1,

    Certainly an improvement, but I went from 10 minutes to 3 hours! Worth it? What do you think?

    Still dull and a bit grainy, are you sure you set the quality of the UberEnvironment light to 4X, I find pressing ctrl and double clicking makes it work. Your occlusion should be 128, that should get rid of all the grain.

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited February 2013

    Great stuff Bob!

    You might have noticed I've taken a slight break, I 'm making sure I can allow time to get everything I need done, which is something I haven't had this past couple of weeks.

    CHEERS!

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    I'm still trying to find good settings for realism. so I've been doing a ton of renders of the same person trying to get it looking right. I'm pretty much hitting a wall in the form of SSS maps which you really need to get the best look out of your figure. I might have to pick up DimensionTheory's Interjection, though it's not a catch-all solution for all the figures I use since it's lacking maps for K4 and M5, the former of which I use a fair bit.

    Outside of 3Delight, I've been playing with Luxrender volumes a fair bit, though largely unsuccessfully. Having to manually input SSS settings is pretty tough since it requires a pretty solid knowledge of how light refracts and reflects on skin. Haven't found any settings which produce visible results yet. 3Delight still gives the better SSS so far.

    Here's one I did recently without any maps. Still playing around with a lot of settings, so it's far from perfect, but I figure if I keep tweaking I'll get there eventually.

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  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    MadisonXF said:
    Here is a new version of the portrait I posted a page or two back. I changed the skin to Bree so that I can have a no-eyebrow option (wish that was standard with all skins!), upgraded to Interjection skin and eye shaders, copied the hair settings from Reby Elite hair, and pushed raytracing from 0 to 1,

    Certainly an improvement, but I went from 10 minutes to 3 hours! Worth it? What do you think?

    Still dull and a bit grainy, are you sure you set the quality of the UberEnvironment light to 4X, I find pressing ctrl and double clicking makes it work. Your occlusion should be 128, that should get rid of all the grain.

    CHEERS!

    Hm, I checked and the light occlusion is at 128. I reloaded the lights, in this case Lantios Core Lights, and set it to 4X. I also upped raytracing from 1 to 2.

    Took off the hair for a quick render.

    Any better?

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Not particularly,

    List your full render settings for us and we'll see if there's anything missing. Something must be otherwise her skin would look like my renders which were done with Lantios Portrait Lights.

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    HeraldOfFire said:
    I'm still trying to find good settings for realism. so I've been doing a ton of renders of the same person trying to get it looking right. I'm pretty much hitting a wall in the form of SSS maps which you really need to get the best look out of your figure. I might have to pick up DimensionTheory's Interjection, though it's not a catch-all solution for all the figures I use since it's lacking maps for K4 and M5, the former of which I use a fair bit.

    Outside of 3Delight, I've been playing with Luxrender volumes a fair bit, though largely unsuccessfully. Having to manually input SSS settings is pretty tough since it requires a pretty solid knowledge of how light refracts and reflects on skin. Haven't found any settings which produce visible results yet. 3Delight still gives the better SSS so far.

    Here's one I did recently without any maps. Still playing around with a lot of settings, so it's far from perfect, but I figure if I keep tweaking I'll get there eventually.

    Looks good for a doll. There must be some tutorials for Reality around, it's not something I use so I wouldn't know what to suggest.

    CHEERS!

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    HeraldOfFire said:
    I'm still trying to find good settings for realism. so I've been doing a ton of renders of the same person trying to get it looking right. I'm pretty much hitting a wall in the form of SSS maps which you really need to get the best look out of your figure. I might have to pick up DimensionTheory's Interjection, though it's not a catch-all solution for all the figures I use since it's lacking maps for K4 and M5, the former of which I use a fair bit.

    Outside of 3Delight, I've been playing with Luxrender volumes a fair bit, though largely unsuccessfully. Having to manually input SSS settings is pretty tough since it requires a pretty solid knowledge of how light refracts and reflects on skin. Haven't found any settings which produce visible results yet. 3Delight still gives the better SSS so far.

    Here's one I did recently without any maps. Still playing around with a lot of settings, so it's far from perfect, but I figure if I keep tweaking I'll get there eventually.

    Looks good for a doll. There must be some tutorials for Reality around, it's not something I use so I wouldn't know what to suggest.

    CHEERS!
    Reality doesn't actually support subsurface scatter, so it has to be added in manually. Unfortunately, it's a pain in the butt to do and I'm not even sure if the meshes are capable of supporting Lux volumes properly. Never mind the actual settings. Skin settings are going to be included with Reality 3, but that's a good few months away.

    There have been lots of talks on the Lux forums about using volumes, but all the talks go way over my head talking about calculating the exact sigma values required. In short, I've never really gotten realistic settings out of Lux yet, and volumes just don't seem to do much for me at the moment.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Hmm,

    I think I'll stick with 3Delight, I know where I am with it, just!

    CHEERS!

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited February 2013


    Hmm,

    I think I'll stick with 3Delight, I know where I am with it, just!

    CHEERS!


    Few things with using 3Dlight. My system is more or less tied up for the time it renders. and you cannot queue render. As you know I have no problems pumping moocho quality renders using Lux. It also allows me to do my RL stuff while renders bake away...Speaking of which....grab

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    confusion

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    amused

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Yeah, well, if you crank 'em out at the rate you do you're going to want something that'll handle it. PP2012 has a Queue Manager.

    I'm happy just being able to render at all.

    CHEERS!

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited February 2013

    All with my year and half old i7 8G what bugs me about 3Dlight is it never seem to improve. UE still looks like it did with DS3A to me

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Mine is over a year old and is an i5 6gb. I have a dedicated card (running alongside an integrated) which I largely dedicate to DS and I find 3Delight is a load better than I thought, particularly with UE and the HSS.

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    Yeah, well, if you crank 'em out at the rate you do you're going to want something that'll handle it. PP2012 has a Queue Manager.

    I'm happy just being able to render at all.

    CHEERS!


    ...I even use the Queue Manager when doing a single render as it performs the task in background taking less resources than with the application running.
  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    Mine is over a year old and is an i5 6gb. I have a dedicated card (running alongside an integrated) which I largely dedicate to DS and I find 3Delight is a load better than I thought, particularly with UE and the HSS.

    CHEERS!

    I guess if one is discovering UE & 3Dlight I can see it I find lux easier.

  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited February 2013

    Rogerbee said:

    Not particularly,

    List your full render settings for us and we'll see if there's anything missing. Something must be otherwise her skin would look like my renders which were done with Lantios Portrait Lights.

    CHEERS!

    Wow, maybe I'm just missing something really obvious and silly then.

    Thanks for all the continued support and inspiration - you guys are awesome.

    Here are the render settings I used in the last image, and some of the light settings on the UE - including the Occlusion.

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited February 2013

    Same here dual vid card system with software switcher with my 2G ATI 6770M vid card

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    MadisonXF said:
    Rogerbee said:

    Not particularly,

    List your full render settings for us and we'll see if there's anything missing. Something must be otherwise her skin would look like my renders which were done with Lantios Portrait Lights.

    CHEERS!

    Wow, maybe I'm just missing something really obvious and silly then.

    Thanks for all the continued support and inspiration - you guys are awesome.

    Here are the render settings I used in the last image, and some of the light settings on the UE - including the Occlusion.

    Those seem ok to me, anyone else got any suggestions!?

    CHEERS!

  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Those seem ok to me, anyone else got any suggestions!?

    CHEERS!

    Hm, weird.

    Definetly curious if anyone else has any ideas. It wouldn't have anything to do with the resolution or any other settings, would it? Or maybe because I am using the Interjection shaders? These are my first renders with those.

    Regardless, I still think the most recent renders look much better than my previous ones. I am learning as I go, thanks to all the help here on the forums, so thanks.

    If I have time later this week, I might try to throw together a few more test renders to see if I end up with different results.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    That's a possibility,

    I've never used those shaders myself. Try the just using the HSS.

    CHEERS!

  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited December 1969

    One other thing, I was just re-reading adamr001's great tutorial, when I noticed one thing that I may have missed. I have the overall render shading rate setting at .2, which seems fine. However, I have never touched the shading rate on the actual UE, which he recommends fiddling with. I can't check it until later, but maybe that is part of the problem...

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/5320/P30/#67989

    Rogerbee said:

    That's a possibility,

    I've never used those shaders myself. Try the just using the HSS.

    CHEERS!

    I'll give that a try ASAP. I had been using the HSS previously.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited February 2013

    Ahh, yeah,

    That might have a bearing. I just use presets and went with whatever they were.

    CHEERS!

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  • sneakygloworm_fbf110dfc9sneakygloworm_fbf110dfc9 Posts: 0
    edited February 2013

    Here's My attempt. How I would like to see the law.....10 hours to build and all done in DS3. :D

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  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited December 1969

    I like the reflections, DOF, and little touches like the nose piercing. Nice work.

  • sneakygloworm_fbf110dfc9sneakygloworm_fbf110dfc9 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Many thanks. I actually use the nose piercing as a reference point for reflections. I copy and paste the reflection map from it (which I initially saved as a character) to use in other reflective surfuces in a scene. So if the scene has any reflections, my figure will have a nose peircing. :D

  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited February 2013

    Ok, here is a new render, only change was taking the UE Shading Rate from 8 to .2. This didn't really add much to the render time.

    I think the character looks a bit sharper here.

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