Why so many female content releases?
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Been buying most of the male stuff that comes out. Appreciate the vendors who make it, but I think I've hit a wall with not just content but interest too ;). Seems I have a finite amount of years I can stay interested in this stuff before I need a couple years break. This will be my third time around now. I do have other hobbies that I neglect, like drawing, so it's not like I won't have anything to do. Besides, I have enough content to render something different every day for a few years. LOL. The fact that this is my third Genesis go-round and it's the same old female stuff that there was for V3, V4, etc and I'm just saturated I guess. The lack of male content is just the icing on the cake. I've been doing this stuff off and on for 20 years now and have waited for the males to catch up all that time, so I guess I'm tired :).
Laurie
Yeah, but that's not fair. They should give us what we want. For free. Okay, they can charge, like, $1, cuz that's all I can afford. But nothing more.
....even Goodwill and other second hand stores have far more of a selection of womens' than mens' clothing.
...and shoes.
Reminds me of Marshalls, we go there fairly often. 12 aisles of ladies shoes, 1 or 2 isles for men's shoes.
Like you, Divamakeup, I refuse to buy stuff that fails to meet my criteria. ;) If I have a guy with a great HD morph, excellent skin, believable beard and Redz hair, but I put a shirt on him with a one poly thick-looking collar that seems like it can't make up its mind whether to stick out or lie down, then it spoils the entire illusion. If the pants have no folds or creases or modeled seams or pockets, then it looks silly.
For the record, if it's a sufficiently unisex outfit for you to be wondering where the "male version" is when the female version releases, and it's not armor, the outfit probably autofits to the male base of the same generation just fine.
Ain't that the truth.
I believe that there is a generally good balance of male/female products in the DAZ store when it comes to practical, plausible wardrobe items that serve needs beyond pinup renders and fetish styles. The female product imbalance is primarily due to an excessive amount of lingerie and heavily sexualized (and impractical) SF and fantasy items that typically have no male counterparts. I've pretty much always considered that an entirely different category altogether.
Not all of us can afford to pay for all that. My current $ exchange rate adds approx 30% to US prices.
I can appreciate that. This is my second time around after a break. I find if I have to rely on Daz only mesh for my renders, I lose my creativity pretty fast. Luckily I use mesh from games and other sources and ones I make myself, so it tends to keep my mind more active and busy.
...with Daz updating Hexagon I will be able to get back into modelling with more enthusiasm and create my own meshes. My version of MD is old so I don't qualify for the upgrade pricing, though If I had the money, I'd definitely consider getting a perpetual licence for 7.
You remember that slogan "More people eat them because they're fresher. They're fresher, because more people eat them?" If the customers keep buying them, that's what will be made. If many artists don't want to take the risk of making something that will not sell, are they not just becoming smaller fish in a bigger pond? In real life, women's clothing or shoe stores outnumber those for men at least ten to one, probably because they spend ten times as much as men on clothing and accessories (generally speaking). I don't know, but there is ten times the selection. Fashion magazines? Fashion shows? What's being promoted there, and to whom?
Anyone have any idea what the male/female ratio is for DAZ consumers? The forums seem about evenly balanced (among the most vocal), but we all know guys don't like to talk about it, right? Plus, I think the average male customer/hobbyist would probably rather not want to deal with risqué male outfits, as opposed to the disproportionate number of similarly-themed female outfits.
I make an effort to get the corresponding men's stuff with the women's, if it exists. Still, I'm sure I have three times more female items than male, but male clothing (real or virtual) still tends to be fairly conservative (with some exceptions, of course) compared to the ladies, which does limit the possibilities. Pants, shirt, jacket. The permutations are, wow, mind-boggling. Okay, add some accessories. Maybe a hat.
They either ride the bubble or circle the drain. I know it's a business, with the goal of making money, but pursuing a saturated market segment must have diminishing returns. The more they make, the less they make. Knowhattamean?
You know I said the same thing years ago... and now I have them. Content purchases add up and equal software purchases. It's how you prioritze and it's not like I bought them all at one time.
So what's the big deal if a metal bikini is done 5 times as much as a metal Conan loin cloth? Or various villian and monster clothing. Filter all that out and the counts even up
Comics are always going to want novel designs of underwear. Even Superman has been showing off his briefs since Jun 1938.
Do they? Let's check the first page.
G8F
Nice formal dress: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-bow-dress-for-genesis-8-female-s
Tween jeans: https://www.daz3d.com/amber-clothing-and-accessories-for-genesis-8-female-s
Sundress and hat: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-audrey-outfit-for-genesis-3-and-8-female-s
Minidress: https://www.daz3d.com/h-c-club-dress-d-for-genesis-3-8-female
G8M
Diving suit: https://www.daz3d.com/freediver-wet-suit-and-accessories-for-genesis-8-male-s
And I'm preeeeetty generous counting the male diving suit but not the two female bodysuits.
I want matching outfits where you would find them naturally - uniforms, space suits, armor. It's difficult to write a smooth-flowing scifi or military, law enforcement, etc. story when the outfits for males and females are radically different. Even civilian work clothing, many businesses require a common appearance.
There can never be enough men's clothing for me.
I would like to see a modern tuxedo with attention paid to the collar an tie.
Ties you can dforce.
Collars and cuffs with sharp angles. Perhaps even as a different product as this seems to be a problem area.
More varied underwear, especailly in the.... Posterior region where they tend to go up the crack and morphs for moving it around. I really love the textures made by Shaara's Muse. I'd love for them to make additional textures for mens products.
Thicker winter coat, sweaters, hats.
Jewelry.
Sweaters.
Shirts which can unbutton and jeans which unbutton too.
Cloth with weight to it.
I am diappointed....I eagerly anticipated a hot young guy today....counterpart to Charlotte....someone like Elijah....but what comes is an anime girl..... I don't like her at all....I don't render anime at all and Sakura will not be part of my Library.... I do buy female stuff, if I like it... and I like it realistic..... I bought Charlotte and know she is feeling alone..... *sigh* but what I am realy was waiting for was a nice young guy..... *sigh*
...so.... I will save my money for the new PC I need...
You may have already seen it, but The3DWizard's JeanZ product does that and works for both men and women.
If a male character is muscular, the thighs/knees sometimes looks a little odd (draping of material) but just thought I'd mention it.
Man, I wish there was more of an impetus for PAs to strike out as an indie like Uzilite did. Not being constrained to a monopolizing marketplace = greater creative freedom to create new, unique stuff instead of the same 1,747,464th bikini and high heels IMHO.
Time to chime in! I was really hoping we’d get another male character today, but we got a highly stylized anime character instead (oh well). Personally, the DAZ male to female ratio is pretty unbalanced in the female favor. I generally buy all of the pro bundles to get the content and to support the artists, but most for the female content goes unused (you can only have so many sting bikinis). Personally, most of my art is male-centric, so most of my females just collect dust.
As for clothing wishes, I Ike normal, day-to-day clothing and hair (let’s not forget the hair). A nice suit is always great (or a tux). Something professional, yet casual, could also be fun for G8M. Even some other underwear choices could be useful.
Personally, I do create content for DAZ and give it away on ShareCG. I’ve been using Marvelous Designer since MD3, so it’s been awhile. My biggest complaint is the distortion (sometimes it’s the subdivision seems off, material zones don’t transfer correctly, or random issues with figure fit that are a pain) that can sometimes happen when importing it to DAZ. I really hope they build a bridge one day.
Hello :) first time joining in the forum, nice to meet you all lovely people!
I started consuming Daz products this year and has already let go of more than a thousand bucks, which in my part, hurts more coz of exhange rate T_T
Just like miss Laurie, I too, would like to see more male stuff.
In my case, particularly, I'd like stuff that would make the male characters pretty, coz those are the features that I prefer (influence of my environment, I grew up in anime land) and enjoy to work with (I make Webtoons :D). I have a big bro whose bag includes a a baby face powder, lip balm (if I remember correctly), compact mirror, etc, and I can 100% attest that he is straight. I could not remember the last time that he didn't have a girlfriend :D
Examples of items to doll up male characters could be;
- K-pop inspired hair,clothes, make-up
- girly/sassy boys style just like the Japanese boys in anime, i.e Griffith if you've seen Berserk
- for historical, a fancy and pretty robe for males, like a male version of Princess Asia, with all the accessories and fancy stuff.
another reccollection, I know of a Japanese friend. Male. Buys some women's clothes and bag. Has a beautiful gf he's crazy about. Women's items he bought is his. He wears them. They look pretty cool on him!
Sorry if I go out of topic and drabble on some parts. That's all I could think of for male items for now
It took me approximately two minutes to autofit this G3M outfit to Arabella, using no addons beyond basic autofit. It took me another five minutes to determine that SickleYield's Breast Helper was going to fix the pokethrough on the chest better than cranked up smoothing would. And I didn't have to buy two versions of the same outfit. Now, the scifi armors and outfits you have a legit complaint about because a lot of them involve rigid pieces that don't autofit well, but for present day stuff, most things that involve a dress code you can buy the male version and autofit to female.
Start with female characters and mod them. The Mods by Capsces usually have flat and/or male chest morphs. Unfortunately these are usually for V4 and earlier characters.
V4 and earlier also had male morphs built in. Geneses would also let you blend male & female features. I'm not sure avout Genesis 2,3 & 8.
Do you have some great suggestions for those good IRAY Shader packs?
Do you have? https://www.daz3d.com/h-c-business-suit-b-for-genesis-3-male-s ; If so, how do you like it?
Today sale item is...Sakura 8. Whoah an anime female character this time and as an added bonus you can get the two other female anime characters for free. Ugh.
Don't get me wrong, I think all three of those products look beautiful and great. But I already have more female characters and clothing than I could ever use.
As for learning how to design my own clothing or buy Marvelous Designer...yikes. $700 for that app (and all the other alternatives I have explored aren't cheap either) not to mention the learning curve. $700 would go a long way towards more good male content made by a much more skilled PA. Guess I will keep holding my breath for more male content than a pari of jeans and tennis shoes. Until then I really need to learn how to cross fit some of my items to male characters.
Load your male character, make sure you have it selected in the scene. Go to the female clothing directory, select the article of clothing you wish your male character could wear. A dialogue will come up saying that this article of clothing is not supported, and offering you options to autofit it to your current character. Select the figure it was originally for, and the type of clothing (shirt, pants etc). There are addons that can facilitate difficult autofits (like from the V3/M3 and V4/M4 generations, or complicated clothing like long dresses or capes), but for the kind of thing you'd presumably want to have a man wear, and assuming you're just autofitting from female to male of the same character generation, it shouldn't be that bad.
New Zealander? It does go on sale, not often, but patience pays off.
I would suggest when you know you will have time to play with it, get the 30 day free trial and take a bit of time to learn and make a couple outfits. That'll tell you if the cost is ultimately worth it.
Suggesting to fit male clothing to females (which is the right way to go about it) isn't too helpful when the complaint is that the male items are missing.