Why so many female content releases?
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@Pippen: Yes, I have it and the other business suit. Since the alternatives are all so weak, I use the H&C Business Suits. But their lack of morphs and poor fits (and posing) limit their usefulness. But they are worth having simply because there is such poor competition. Also, I have been able to get more realistic results from the tie than from other ties available (but I have to load and position it as a prop).
The same vendor had two suits for Genesis at Renderosity that had much better fits and morphs. But they are no longer available for purchase.
There are plenty of male content if you venture outside of Daz community, so that's what I do. I grab those and use them.
Welcome to the forum. You know after seeing your post I really would buy boy anime characters etc, especially the pretty boy stuff you mentioned. Artists like Throne, Sarsa would be perfect for making cutsey stuff like that
Can you link me a couple of your favorite clothes? I see not much male content on other sites, either, and unfortunately this means I am also even less familiar with the vendors to watch.
LOL. Those pants fit funny. She looks like she has two um...male members.
I was responding to someone who was commenting about the lack of "matching" clothes and uniforms for lines of work/situations that hold men and women to the same dress code. In those cases (doctor, police, etc), the problem is usually the coexistence of six different fanservicey female versions in the store with one "responsible adult" version geared towards male characters, in which case the solution is to ignore the six different fanservice versions, buy the male version, and autofit to your female characters.
That person was answering the question what type of male outfits do they want, lol
I don't think I should link them. After all, they are competitors, sort of. But I use mainly CGtraders and Turbosquid. Go there, type in what you want and choose.
Generally, I never use the ones I buy as is. I modify them almost always and then rig them to work.
I don’t have great luck fitting clothing made for previous generations especially layered outfits made in marvelous designer to Genesis 8 for some reason.
LOL!!!!!
You can if someone asks, but no worries. If it involves rerigging I'm better off just modeling myself to get MD dynamic cloth.
If you are not interested in re-rigging, then there is Renderosity.
Daz products have an issue where, if one's used to Daz products, they are able to recognize them on instant. It doesn't help by the fact that Iray produces distinctive render as well.
Renderosity is 10:1 female content recently, and a good section of the male clothing is the same guy reselling super basic bodysuits with different textures. Not much of an alternative, sadly. I would rather model myself and stick with dynamics.
That is probably the better choice. I sometimes model clothes by myself as well. But I sometimes buy it when I see what I want on the cheap.
Can only speak for myself, I simply don't have enough enthusiasm for male stuff. There aren't even any commercial aspects in play at all.
I have a hard time believing all these 'oft quoted excuses.
It's beginning to sound like one vendor's predicament fits all.
- cause we keep going with that logic, then female skimp-wear should be the ONLY thing Daz sells and the ONLY kind of vendro we should have- if it's so tough all over
no one can afford to make men's clothes.
1) every vendor that does clothing isn't living check to check.
2) every vendor that makes an item is concerned with finding the ultimate number in sales
3) Some vendors do this as a hobby and it's a plus that it brings in some extra $$$$
4) Daz has in-house artists called Daz-originals, which as far as I can see from what they make, they don't spend every second thinging about the bottom line.
5) No vendro has showed up and said, here I make male and female clothes and, here's my exact sales numbers and yep, we can see this statistical trend that male clothes don't sell and female clothes pay the car note and skimp wear pays the mortage. This is always running 84% on speculation and anecdotal non-vendor inference.
6) You make the same damn shoe. One with heels is hers, one with flats is his. Same jacket. Longer one is his, the one with the exposed belly is hers (lol). His belt thicker. Her belt thinner. Her pants, tigher fitting. His, looser. Her top V-neck. His top circle. Both have tank tops. With there being room for so much similarity- it's a ratio that fits. The female version sells 5X as the male and as a vendor - you spent 5X less on the secondary, male version (which I have heard vendors say it's easier to make men's clothing than female clothing- and then cross fit as it's easier to shrink than expand [a'hem])
7) Let's ger creative. Skimpwear should be an option and shown greatly in the promos. Make the FULL shirt. You know what, make the belly and lower neck a piece that can be added or subtracted. You want cleavage, add the version for warm weather and let the rest of them have regular non-erotic clothes. I have a pair of shoes where heel-length is a morph. Wish I could remeber which. And some shoes/poses have the feet in different positions. Make boots. Make the toe an area that can be included or not. Make the calf on the back of the boot- able to be exposed. You could do that with A LOT of clothing items.
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What I'm not really seeing is progress or expansion.
You'd expect to leave Daz alone for a year or two and come back and see different. ("Oh my, they're doing what now? Oh wow, look how the clothes come- they didn't have this many options when I was into this before..") Hello deforce
Why not boots that come as a non-wearing-prop set ---- where the boots are left laying around the room. You know, how the boot-neck collapses and flattens. Why not unworn shoes where it has untied lace draped in a few positions.
Generation 8 is getting THE SAME (yeah, literally the same) clothing as generation 3.
Gloves (why not make a glove that has fingers cut off or included.) Why not the sleeve length as a morph. Why not have a set of gloves with a zipper on the side. Why not black leather and brown leather and white and grey? Why not include them as a separate not-wearing-them prop where the two are mushed together?
Glasses ( why not up and down and FOLDED) Why not cracked lens? Why not super cop-reflective or magnified?
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There's a a dozen cool ideas for everything.
The items in the best seller's list are always the stuff that had more options.
Go look.
Hard to say- more variation and options doesn't sell- when the Daz store, itself, says different.
Actually there was one vendor or two that did this maybe 2 or 3 years ago to show the difference between male and female sales.. yet this conversation still goes on. I'm sure people will never believe them and that's fine; it is what it is and ultimately vendors don't have to pull out their W-2s to prove a point that some are unwilling to hear. Really the only real solution to this is to actually go into vendoring yourself. I've seen a few people didn't believe these conversations until they actually started selling and found out they weren't being lied to.
At the end of the day, vendors have to do what they need to do to pay bills. I don't think inferring that vendors are being dishonest is the best way to move a conversation forward.
Although I am using a $3500 Application that Also happens to have
good modeling tools,
I think the updated (free?)Hexgon Will make it easier
for people to get serious about jumping off the Daz content Hamster wheel
And begin producing thier own clothing.
There does not exist a more accurate description of the term
"begging into a vacuum", than the subject of this thread.
First the question of why no mens stuff.
Then the usual "It does not sell" response
Enter the Daz PA to explain the harsh economic reality of that answer
Then to rebuttals and threats to not spend money here or only support those who etc etc
Then the list of who is making male stuff
Then the general wish lists from the crowd,of the male stuff people wish some kind soul
would make.
It is like some manner of Star Trek "temporal causality loop"
repeating endlessly.
The only way to escape is to learn to model.
And no, you dont need marvelous Designer
In fact MD make may prevent development of
good fundamental 3D modeling skills
I have some scenes coming up in, my sci fi film, featuring a futuristic
conservatively dressed Muslim Woman.
After a whole day of experimenting with finicky cloth dynamics
and not getting the exact look I desired yesterday.(Arrghh!!)
I awoke this morning with the idea to use conformers instead
Started Around 7 am and was watching the amazing DAZ transfer technology
work its magic by 11 am.
This is true freedom IMHO limited only by your imagination
Liberate yourselves Dear humans,..learn to model
For #5, I can state a popular, longtime vendor shared with me exact numbers on a certain set with many pieces where there was both a male and female version and the female version did much, much better. Since that information was shared in a private venue, I cannot tell you who it was or the numbers. But I saw them with my own eyes. As someone who focuses more on making male characters, I have no reason to be disingenuous about this information. They learned their time was better spent focusing on female items for the return it paid them versus the effort and poorer showing for similar male items.
Trust me that if making well-done male items paid close to what the female items did, PAs would be cranking them out, too. After all, most PAs are doing this to make a living.
Indeed not.
But if PAs don't sell products, products will not get made, and there will still be none of the type you're looking for.
... And none of any type at all.
We can create whatever we wish; we prefer to make stuff that stands a good chance of selling.
And if vendors that aren't making the content I want, stop making content I don't want, what does this lose me, exactly?
Also, come on. There's a catch-22 here. Either my support has no meaning, in which case "but you're punishing PAs" is a bit of an...odd and irrelevant reaction. Or my support does have meaning, in which case I absolutely should be giving it to the vendors that make the content I'm interested in.
I guess it would be similar to somoene proclaiming they will never buy another car again because they stopped selling Saturns. Popular cars will continue to be made and sold, and that person will be the one that's walking in the snow.
Oh, so it's not about "punishing PAs." This is just concern for everyone who might miss out on content that they don't want.
Both, by not shopping at all you punish the vendors that are making the stuff you want and as a result they turn to stuff that will sell; but ulitmately that stance has no effect on the vendors that make content the majority wants. So you will hurt yourself with the stance that will further contract the market in favor of female clothing.
Only buying male content does not somehow damage the male content market. Good lord.
Which is really funny, because what was actually said was "if more male things don't show up, I won't be buying anything"
This is exactly in line with how things work out when you focus on buying male clothing. You can't buy something that doesn't show up.
Trust me that if making well-done male items paid close to what the female items did, PAs would...
So I ask, why does it have to be one or the other?
Adding a full shirt to a sci fi outfit or adding a 'swashbucking shirt' without deep cleavage is not the same as starting from scratch or making one OR the other.
If I can auto-fit female to male- then all it is- is a design issue.
Same for boots and shoes. one, with huge stiletto heels and one flats for the males (or action females) - THAT is not the same amount of work. That extra 10% of effort can still be worth 1/10 of additional sales.
That sounds like pure maths, right there.
Maybe the better phrase is more Unisex clothing.....
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To be specific. I have looked at this item for months.....
It has been in and out my cart several times.
https://www.daz3d.com/aftermath-the-admiral
I have a dozen of his items.
I really want this one....
It got close with the flat boots, but the pantaloons and hip area are screaming female, plus- I'd need more parts of clothing to kit bash.
Add a male version with a jacket and different shirt- even slightly different billowing pants and I can build a whole universe around these clothing items.
THEN I can kit bash and swap different bits and make clothes for the whole crew and THAT captain in different situations....
- I mean this to say, sometimes just accomodating both genders adds some versatility. - which folds back as the women can also wear the men's clothing.
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But maybe then, we have to eat it too.
If we are really limited to Dressing women figures in skimpwear - cause that's all that sells -
Then, the next time you explain your hobby and someone calls it Barbie dress up with sexy 3D dolls - don't argue it isn't.
Say yeah, the numbers show that.
lol, not lol.
Why do people who haven’t done a thing insist that the people who have are wrong about doing that thing?
That’s weird.