Male Support Discussion Thread
RCDeschene
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So, I decided that ever since it was brought up and discussed midway into Another Topic, I might as well give it its own light here. Basically, this is all about the ever infamous concern about the disproportionate amount of marketing in regards to male character support and their clothing. During Genesis 1's Gen 5 run, the situation with male clothing seemed like it had a bit of a light finally shining its way where clothing made for Gn1 were practically unisex. Now with the advent with Genesis 2 with the separate male figure base yet to emerge, this is something that seriously must be dealt with more so than ever before. Warning, you guys are in for quite an essay…
The topic I linked to is where some of us have tried to dissect why male clothing sells much less than female clothing. As we all should find it clear, females received the most amounts of character sets and skins, morph support, and clothing. Most of this clothing is in the form of impractically revealing fantasy items. These items commonly involve a trend of cleavage exposure, exposed midriffs, miniskirts and provocatively attractive long, heeled boots. Products like these are infamously known here as "skimpwear". It shouldn't come across as a surprise to anyone that, much like anything else in computers, the 3D Art realm is largely invested by men who find these sorts of things very sexually appealing. This doesn't dismiss the fact that there are plenty of women who invest in these particular articles as well out of their own sense of appeal. There is nothing wrong with this, of course, however, the odd thing about this is, there are a number of male fantasy pieces as well, and yet, they simply do not sell enough.
Why is this? My hypothesis is that it is because most male clothing here themed in ways that are not appealing enough. There needs to be more sexualized male clothing, or "hunkwear" made available. What fashion of "sexualized" are we talking? As a human race we live in a world various cultures with ideals that are just as diverse, yet there are common attractions between each gender. What commonly entices a man about a woman's body is her curves, her chest area, her waist, her hips, and her legs. In retrospect, what commonly entices a woman about a man's body is his angles, his muscles, his arms, his chest, and his abdomen. It is also significant to mention that on a psychological level, men are more sexually drawn to physicality while women are more sexually drawn to emotionalism. You'll notice that the skimpware sold here works perfectly to help bring attention to all female factors mentioned. So, in this respect, clothing that exploits the male characteristics as well as those that garner romantic interest should help to balance things out. These items can and should include articles such as fitting spandex, sleeveless shirts, open shirts, form-complimenting suits and outfits.
How do I know this? A few examples that I found to be impacting were a few items that were released at launch for Hiro 5 and David 5. In both of their Pro Bundles, there were certain items among their contents that gained particular attention. For H5 these items were Octavis and Night Out Suit. For David, it was Men's Night Life. Octavis is a form-fitting outfit that comprises of a tanktop and pants that allows muscle definition to be seen as shown Here. Night Out Suit is depicted in a rather attractive light in This promo image, sporting a texture that can trigger the feel of a romantic date. Then there's D5's Men's Night Life, which is the biggest definition of hunkwear I've seen yet here on DAZ. This piece not only exposes the arms and has fitting pants, but it exploits the exposed torso principle, and is a "real world" outfit on top of that. According to PA's that were involved in these bundles, they each sold very well.
There are actually other examples that incorporate the principals of hunkwear, even pieces that have rather equivalent body exposure to female skimpware featured at other places such as Renderocity. An artist in particular who uses this tactic well is a PA by the name of Lajsis. Her M4/H4 Characters and their smooth, flawless skins are the perfect examples of what needs to be seen here at DAZ. I've seen her work used in many renders all over places like tumblr and DeviantART. So the style is a definitely a proven one.
There is certainly more that needs to be discussed that factors sufficient male support, such as selling cycles, content that appeals to male consumers, everyday and fantasy style clothing, morph support, etc. But this is, without a doubt, a major area to tackle. If Genesis 2 Male is going to be worth the gender split from versatility to specificity, the right strategy to actually get male support to successfully sell needs to found.
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Actually, the generally accepted term for the female stuff is skimpwear - skank is, if anything, more offensive than slut and you might want to edit it from your post if you want to concentrate the discussion on male clothing.
"Hunkwear" is a good term. (A friend I was describing this argument to also suggested "primpwear" for both genders.)
As mentioned in the other thread, IgnusSerpentus' "Godspeed" is another example of a male outfit that sold very well, and I would say definitely qualifies as hunkwear. What's covered draws attention to what isn't, emphasizing the shoulders. But plenty of attention is still on the groin area, emphasized by a short skirt that offers fan service opportunities, especially on a guy who can fly.
I suspect asymmetrical outfits like Gladiator also call attention to the features only partially covered, or covered only on one side.
Littlefox's "Notorious" at RDNA seems like another good example, making use of partial covering and asymmetry to emphasize broad shoulders and narrow hips.
In a more contemporary and practical vein, Badkittehco's Toolboi sets are both good examples. The sleeveless shirt and suspenders of the summer set again emphasize the shoulders, and the winter set has a wide variety of "open" morphs to show off the body. I think there's also another attraction implied with these two sets-- a guy wearing clothes like these might be more likely to be well employed and a good provider, which many women find quite attractive. ;)
i'm happy to finally have a few mankinis and bodjocks for my M4. is there a term for male diva?
would luvv more conforming long hair options for M4. a eurdora hair conforming for M4.
I think another factor that drives this is the release cycle. Female characters are always released first, and end up having a longer development period than male characters.
Several months if we are lucky. M4 wasn't out for two years.
Typically, female stuff comes out first because it sells better. It sells better so there is more of it.
From my observations of the freebies created by fans, the most popular mens wear is the tunic (due to it being an old classic + extreme versatility) the M4 Valiant set (VERY popular-- again, this is also versatile), M3 Normans, M4 Fable (again, both are versatile), ISOP's Casa Blanca suit, and Adzan's outfits (Still Life being the fave all around)
Only some of Adzan's goodies and the Casa Blanca outfit count as hunkwear (the latter if you only use the open full shirt version)
I don;'t know how popular the male bondagewear on Renderosity or Sharecg is, but looking at the free stuff for M4 and M3, this is what I've found so far. Note that the older M3 stuff has the most downloads in general. I've put aterisks by entries that count as hunkwear.
I've tried tro avoid famous users and cosplay uniforms which skew the results.
RCS Tee for M4: 569
M4 Victorian Vest: 632
***Executioner's Hood: 1209
Labcoat and Scrubs: 1085
Cowboy Hat: 1056
Cowboy Hat (diff): 1707
Socks for M4: 835
M4 (dynamic) Leather Coat: 1421
M4 Dress Boots: 1327
**Celtic Conforming Loincloth: 888
***Poseable Handcuffs for M4: 2048
**M4 Laced Shorts: 1944
Mountain Blues Boots for M4: 1464
Dynamic Tshirts: 1539
Boxer Shirt: 1177
**M4 Sumo Loincloth: 1124
M3 Indian Outdit: 1525
***Ecchu Fundoshi: 1257
***Mawashi: 808
M3 Tshirt: 3659 (VERY old entry)
If we compare this to famous user and cosplay models...
**SAV Spartacos Slave Hiton: 583
Fable M4: 2045
Sav Famous Hat Collection for M4: 3030
Iceboy Business Suiot: 1957
Iceboy Spider Suit: 1101
Iceboy MOS Suit: 1147
Iceboy GAT Suit: 1320
Iceboy Super Suit: 1857
Iceboy Geog Suit: 1949
Iceboy Batsuit: 2348
Iceboy SP Wear: 1616
*Iceboy Jackets IB: 1660
Iceboy DOB Suit: 1676
Iceboy M4 Boots: 1160
Iceboy Low Shoes: 970
Iceboy SP Shoes: 1192
Iceboy PoPSuit: 1616
Iceboy Geosuit: 1121
Iceboy Work Boots: 1084
Iceboy Danno: 947
Iceboy Brinko: 1323
Iceboy Flipflops: 1132
Iceboy Hooded Sweatshirt: 2611
Iceboy Dirty Shirt: 1279
Iceboy Shirt - Pants dynamic: 1937
**Iceboy Trunks: 1167
Iceboy Shoulder Armor: 904
Hal001 Hero Mask (batman): 1810
Hal001 Nordic Hero: 1800 (compare the two to Hal's Super Heroine Outfit at 2265)
***Iceboy Alien Armor: 1851
Sickle's Morphing Trenchcoat: 2911
Sickle Skinny Tee: 1237
Superconforming Shirt for M4: 632
Kyotaro Mens Gloves: 1703
Mostdigitalcreations Assassin Hood: 1348
Mostdigitalcreations Cowboy hat: 875
Rose's Kodiak for M4: 781 (In comparison, Willow has about 1200 downloads)
EdenEvergreen's Second Skins for M4: 680
Uzilite Super Hero: 1662
SAV Open Tie & Dynamic Boxer: 1467
Vintorix Hashshashin Warrior: 1854
Vintorix Denim Jeans & Shirt for M4: 2224
Space Moisture Farmer Boy for Valiant: 1807
ESB Bespin Suit for Valiant: 1334
Wing Pilot Flightsuit for Valiant: 1633
Sensible Shoes M4: 1204
***Trekkiegrrrl's morphing undies: 1293
***Trekkiegrrrl's morphing y-fronts: 1369
***Trekkiegrrrl's loincloth: 1191
SAV Volgs Jacket: 2474
Mongoloid's Nitro Knight Armor: 2255
Tau Firewarrior (warhammer 40) Armor: 1876
Mayuta M3 Sweater: 825
***Mostdigitalcreations M3 Shorts: 1942
***Earane skirt refit to M3: 1648
Batcowl: 1779
**Mapps M3 Conforming Bodysuit: 4062
I'm going to do another experiment.
I may be a rarity, but I like to buy clothing that looks well made. Many of the clothing and textures don't look well made. So if it isn't well made and there's less of it, as in male clothing, I buy less of it. Female clothing sells more, and has stronger sales for specific items, as many PAs have said over time on these forums and over at Renderosity. and RDNA. I have to say, too, that the more solid looking, manly male outfits (mostly ancient warrior, pirate, space or work outfits and some casual outfits) seem the best made and they come up earlier in search which makes me believe they are better sellers so there's an indication as well. They also have better promo pics that look manly in a Clark Gable, James Bond or Superman kind of way. They make you want to say, "I'd like to be him!"
This, exactly. I'll generally buy a well-made suit even if I already have something pretty similar. Stuff like Uzilite's. Just beautiful.
Arah's Gothic: 2100 (I'm honestrly surprised Arah's models aren't more popular seeing as they're every bit as good as Sickleyield's-- but perhaps it's because her models are resource hogs...)
Jan's stuff... wow... not very popular on Renderosity. I wonder if Renderosity and Sharecg have differing demographics...
Dress Up Chest: 1911
Gothic Bride: 890
Glimmer: 1033
Duchesse De Collette: 566
Cortigiana: 1126
Rose 2000:
Egyptian Goddess: 1212 (possesses both skimpwear and nonskimpwear versions)
Greek Goddess: 1641 (possesses both skimpwear and nonskimpwear versions)
Lady of the Nile: 1021
Fantasy Pants: 789 (kinda skimpish)
Dreamwalker: 1103
Willow: 1252
Mistyrain: 997
Well, definitely in Rose2000's case, the skimpier outfits are the most popular-- and I should mention that these outfits, like those of Jan's and Arah's, are primarily popular with other females. I'm surprised that Wanting has 1000 hits seeing as Rose stated she didn't consider it even worthy of uploading (as far as quality)
Now let's check something else...
Littledragon's V4 tanktop: 4079
Littledragon's V4 tubetop: 2167
Littledragon's V4 haltertop: 1608
Littledragon's V4 stockings: 2858
Interesting that it's the versatile rather than skimpiest that is popular in this case.
Arah's Gothic: 2100 (I'm honestrly surprised Arah's models aren't more popular seeing as they're every bit as good as Sickleyield's-- but perhaps it's because her models are resource hogs...)
Jan's stuff... wow... not very popular on Renderosity. I wonder if Renderosity and Sharecg have differeing demographics...
Dress Up Chest: 1911
Gothic Bride: 890
Glimmer: 1033
Duchesse De Collette: 566
Cortigiana: 1126
Rose 2000:
Egyptian Goddess: 1212 (possesses both skimpwear and nonskimpwear versions)
Greek Goddess: 1641 (possesses both skimpwear and nonskimpwear versions)
Lady of the Nile: 1021
Fantasy Pants: 789 (kinda skimpish)
Dreamwalker: 1103
Willow: 1252
Mistyrain: 997
Well, definitely in Rose2000's case, the skimpier outfits are the most popular-- and I should mention that these outfits, like those of Jan's and Arah's, are primarily popular with other females. I'm surprised that Wanting has 1000 hits seeing as Rose stated she didn't consider it even worthy of uploading (as far as quality)
Now let's check something else...
Littledragon's V4 tanktop: 4079
Littledragon's V4 tubetop: 2167
Littledragon's V4 haltertop: 1608
Littledragon's V4 stockings: 2858
Interesting that it's the versatile rather than skimpiest that is popular in this case.
Now let's take a look at Pretty3D's freebies. I have ranked them from least to most skimpy (though LotS can be much skimpier depending on which pieces you use and don't use)
V4 Lassie of the Seas: 5504
V3 Fairy Tale Costume: 6327
V4 Sexy Leather: 8722
V4 Lovely Senses: 2024 (roughly equal w sexy leather)
V4 Pretty Nights: 3878
V3 Pretty Nights: 10920 (here we can see as with M3, that we can't compare popularity simply by comparing downloads bet. different generations)
V4 Love Fairy: 2678
Let's take a look at SAV's stuff. The skimpier stuff has asterisks. I've ranked it from most to least downloads
M4 Volgs Jacket: 2474 (old entry)
V4 Greek Style Dress: 2297 (oldest entry)
***V4 c-string: 2052
*19th Century Dynamic Coat for M4: 1662
***V4 Artemis SC Dress: 1599 (newer entry)
***Dante's M4 Promo Dynamic Open Tie & Boxer: 1467
***Electra Outfit Pantie: 1368 (newer entry)
*1+1 V4 Elf Dress: 1257 (old entry)
K4 Patrick's football outfit: 1123
**Sonias Dynamic Combination: 1104 (newer entry)
Ky dynamic ampir: 901
V4 Marina's Dynamic Dress: 893 (new entry)
*Nevil's M4 dynamic pants: 839
*Atlas M4 Dynamic Kilt: 835
**M4 dynamic pants helper prop: 793
M4 Spartacos Slave Hiton: 583 (new entry)
Now Richabri is a known fetish merchant (if his mainstream products weren't a big enough giveaway, you can also find him on Rendererotica)
As with P3D, here's his Renderosity listing from least to most skimpy. (though I did not compare the upload date for comparison-- that tends to make a difference)
V4 free pearls (necklaces) and fans: 1667
V4 slip: 1545
V4 Honshu: 1407
V4 corset & Collar: 2465
V4 Fantasy Warrior outfit & Props: 1591
V4 lingere: 3802
V4 V-suit: 2473
V4 Lace Outfit: 2409
V4 strap outfit: 1314 (tied with lace outfit for skimpiness)
the props just for comparison:
Mission style diningroom set: 1157
Greenhouse set: 1418
Bakery shop: 935
Old books set: 1733
Special ops weapon: 1545
New Graffiti Wall Set: 2423
Poser club (stripper) stage: 2220
If we're not slut-shaming, there's nothing wrong with the word slut as encoding a person who is overt with, and proud of, his or her promiscuous sexuality. My problem comes with the idea that these outfits are for ordinary women in ordinary jobs, or when women in slutwear are shown next to men in full body-covering outfits as if that's the norm in their world (slutty nurses next to men in full surgeon garb, for instance). That's what makes steam come out my ears.
Mostly I have Haven for my forays into cute male stuff, when I get time to do anything for it in between trying to keep up the sales in my DAZ store (I'm still working on my Impractical Rogue set). So far it appears to me that DAZ will publish exactly two types of male outfits that show skin: 1. Greek-themed and 2. barbarian-themed. I feel both of these were well-served with Genesis, and others have done them better than I could anyway (I freely admit, inlaid metal textures are not my best thing).
What I'm saying is, when DAZ is willing to publish a male jewelry, thong, and thigh boots combo, I will be more than happy to make one. I don't think it would make it to the store as things presently are. ;)
So far it appears to me that DAZ will publish exactly two types of male outfits that show skin: 1. Greek-themed and 2. barbarian-themed.
That's because those are the only forms of male skimpware that will appeal to the male demographic. Just like the slutware has to be made in a way that it appeals to the female demographic (which isn't that difficult-- just don't make it pure fetishwear or some sort of micro bikini/v-suit that looks like it would be incredibly unconfortable to wear-- even though Aerysoul's Elven Strapped seems to be incredibly popular with the females.)
That is why a male jewelry + sexy leather set would never cut it. Esp. since that combo is associated with flamboyant homosexuals-- Sadly, due to our sexist and homophobic culture (actually, just gay homophobia, and I'm going to shut my mouth now before I derail yet another thread), a lot of the male customers are likely to feel dirty just looking at the hit on their search, and many are likely to go so far as to complain that the product's promo image in the general "Clothing an Accessoeries" page makes them feel uncomfortable, even though they don't complain about the equivalent female outfits *shakes head*
Hmm... except for the boots (and my M4 wants them stiletto-heeled just like Vicky's) you can get a pretty good set of that kinda skimpwear using Jepe's Body Jewels. Right here at Daz, too. But if memory serves, one must go to MPE for the Body Jewels toast add-on. Oh, and if you ever made such an outfit for Mike, I'd be there with bells on ready to buy. :)
For some reason that seems to have been more acceptable in M4 than Genesis, I've never known why. I have and adore the Body Jewels. :-)
Yes, that's one of my favorite sets. Sure wish I could use it with Genesis, but if there's a way I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe someone can sweet talk Jepe into doing a Genesis version whenever the new guy comes out.
Quality is definitely a factor for Renderosity freebie clothing, as is versatality. As I said, my only guess as to why Arah's models never took off is that they're huge resource hogs. They have all the morphs of the V4 morphing dress and possibly more, and if you load just one article into DAZ, there's serious lag (and the program may crash when you try to save it-- if successful, you're looking at waiting a good 2 minutes for the save bar to finish)
Brand name also speaks volumes. I'm betting that if Pretty3D released a free amish dress for V4 around the same time as Lassie of the Seas, that it would have roughly 3000 downloads due to brand recognition.
Sickleyield's products are also about quality (though her old-ass freebies leave something to be desired-- I'm talking about the K4 clothes) I ran the "what's hot" filter on M4 clothes at Renderosity and the Sickleyield clothing for genesis is at the very top, though her M4 loincloth is also way up there.
Looking at the results of my searches and tallies of Renderosity freebies, I found that by far the most popular clothing is Pretty3D's stuff, and also that upload date makes a huge difference as well-- the P3D Pretty Nights outfit for V4 has half the downloads that the V3 version does, and it's also impossible to compare ancient M3 clothing uploads to any M4 ones.
I also noticed that in general, cosplay clothes have an average of 1500~1700 hits, regardless of gender.
Definitely the models with the most hits are the extreme skimpwear, esp. by Japanese users (who seem to be more into that sort of thing anyhow, though this seems to be a cultural rather than psychological difference-- western porngazers don't appear to be big on any type of non-photographic uber-extreme fetishwear outside of the BDSM category-- if it's drawn or animated, the gals had better be undressing or naked, not wearing tape over their naughty bits or a bikini consisting of little more than a cord or ribbon. Make no mistake-- one of the primary uses of Poser and DAZ are in the rendering of 3D porn, but the tastes between the west and Japan differ culturally.)
One thing that really stood out however, is that versatility is preferred over detailed specifity. Some of the most popular models and textures are for very generic clothing such as Littledragon's tanktop and the M4 Valiant uniform. I took a look earlier at V4 shirt models not outfits, just shirts) and found that nearly all of them had a lot of hits. Actually, here's the statistics right here:
In the T-shirt category:
Axeswipe's tshirt: 1634
Maevris's shirt 01: 3907
Button up Shirt Category:
Kabuking's simple shirt: 3796
Tanktop, sphagetti strap, and similar Category:
Tentman Turtleneck: 1492
Yanelis3D's (now defunct) promotional shirt: 3217
LittleDragon's V4 Tanktop: 4079
Ei_Lee's RCS Tanktop: 1431
Mapp's Conforming Tanktop 1919 (boobsacks ahoy! This is a 5 year old model, though)
Prae's tanktop: 2042
Angle-shirt and other mild slutware category:
Yanelid3D Nice Shirt: 4037 (angle shirt)
LD V4 Tubetop: 2167
Sickleyield V4 Free Loincloth Tubetop: 1183
Definite slutwear:
Tentman TMTop 2: 1870
tied top: 2212
The button-up shirt could count as slutwear. Overall we see only a mild preference at best for slutwear, but it's very difficult to determine using this chart because many of the popular items are either from big name PAs or freebie makers, or there is a huge disparity in upload date (Mapp's boobsack shirt is one of the older entries *in Mapp's defense, the shirt doesn't look nearly as bad with darker or bolder non-pastel colors)-- I disregarded PhilC's freebies entirely because they're some of the oldest uploads on Renderosity, which renders their true popularity inconclusive.
One final thing I noticed is that accessories tend to have more hits than clothing items, though they don't possess the bellcurve seen in clothing models (in general, accessories range from a minimum of 500 to a maximum of 3500 hits.) Obviously, the primary factor here is the versatility element mentioned before-- most accessories work with nearly anything from very conservative clothing, to formal business wear, to skimpwear, to fantasy and scifi-themed outfits and armor, to flat out fetishwear. Want Michael 4 to be wearing nothing save a pair of socks and a cowboy hat? Yeah, that's no problem at all.
It's probably worth noting that DAZ3D isn't the entire male clothing universe. For reasons that I have never understood, pointlessly sexy clothing for male figures almost never appears here. And when it does, it tends to be stuff like Gladiator, where people can reasonably say that it's not THAT far from what the original period clothing looked like. (Dragonlord for Genesis is truly, pointlessly sexy; if they existed, nobody would go to fight dragons wearing that. However, it also provides WAY more coverage than an equivalent female outfit would.)
I don't know if content creators think it won't work here, so it just never gets offered, or if it gets offered and declined. But you can find clothing of that sort at Renderosity and RDNA and a bit at Content Paradise. Not a huge amount -- there isn't a huge amount -- but far more than you can find here. DZheng, in particular, tends to make a lot of stuff in the "No real man could or would wear that ... Yay!" category.
That said, in some ways, that type of clothing is, in some ways, harder to make for male characters. Not in terms of the work involved, necessarily -- a clothing person would need to speak to that -- but because basically, love it or loathe it, a lot of the stuff is oriented to people who find mostly inappropriately under-/undressed women to be sexy. Unless you're going so far as to have the guy wear lowcut unexpectedly revealing gear or actually have the penis hanging out, you can have a guy pretty much completely naked and it doesn't technically register as sexualized in the same way -- purely as a function of the clothing, I mean. Mesh shirts work, largely because it subverts the purpose of the clothing more than because of what it reveals. Skimpy swimwear kind of works.
(Purely a side note: the title of this thread, before I clicked in, made me wonder whether this topic was about some sort of trauma support or jockstraps. Jockstraps it is!)
Yes, that's one of my favorite sets. Sure wish I could use it with Genesis, but if there's a way I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe someone can sweet talk Jepe into doing a Genesis version whenever the new guy comes out.
Huh? It's super easy to use with Genesis. Create a Geometry Shell parented to your Genesis, set the offset low, and apply the mats to the geo shell. Geo shells can now have different UVs from the body under them, so just use any body texture and set the geometry shell UV to M4.
I don’t know if content creators think it won’t work here, so it just never gets offered, or if it gets offered and declined. But you can find clothing of that sort at Renderosity and RDNA and a bit at Content Paradise. Not a huge amount—there isn’t a huge amount—but far more than you can find here. DZheng, in particular, tends to make a lot of stuff in the “No real man could or would wear that ... Yay!” category.
To be fair, at least from my observation, the skimpiness of skimpwear reaches much higher levels on Renderosity than it generally does here. So it's not surprising that male skimpwear would be more common there.
I'm wondering if perhaps it has to do with more lenience on Renderosity's part towards adult content promo images than here. Actually, I'm thinking that's probably it. Renderosity allows for full frontal nudity in marketplace promo images so long as a content advisory censor thumbnail is given. I do not believe that DAZ allows nudity in its promo images, but perhaps I'm recalling what I'vce seen incorrectly.
This means that vendors who cater more towards fetish and extreme skimpwear will prefer to do business on Renderosity and may even refuse to sell anything on DAZ due to disagreement with its policies on nude imagery.
A ban on adult content images also limits fetishwear and extreme slut/manslutwear since it means that any clothing with a bit of areola or shaft peeking out-- or a skintight manthong/bodysuit that leaves a bulge in the shape of the genitals visible-- can't be displayed in all its erm-- glory.
I would have to disagree just ever so slightly... (but not by that much).
I don't think the ignusSerpentus "godspeed" outfit sold well just because it was sexy.
I think think the IgnusSerpentus "godspeed" outfit sold well because it was an absolutely amazing outfit!
Ah -- just to clear things up, I completely agree with you. I meant that both things are true -- it sold well, and it qualifies as hunkwear. I didn't mean to imply that it sold well only because it was hunkwear.
I can only speak for myself but any hunkwear that is sci-fi related is an autobuy. I'd love an outfit like Skychaser (for example) that was for men.
Some great underwear basics would also be great for gen 1 guys. Heck even a pair of boxers would be nice.
The hunkwear I've seen for men, hasn't thrilled me. I'm not particularly interested in bondage or the mankini/spandex bodysuit outfits. There just isn't enough application in my runtime.
A decent loincloth, a swimsuit etc. would also be good though. Suitable for most renders.
There are actual professional Barsoom comics? :ahhh:
How did I not know this? I really hope they come digitally.
Oh, yes. They're put out by Dynamite, and should be available at comixology.com. There's "Breasts of Mars: Dejah Thoris" ... er, pardon, A Warlord of Mars: Dejah Thoris, about what was happening on Mars for the hundreds of years before John Carter got there. Seems to be the only active title at the moment, although there used to be a couple of others, I think.
The hunkwear I've seen for men, hasn't thrilled me. I'm not particularly interested in bondage or the mankini/spandex bodysuit outfits. There just isn't enough application in my runtime.
A decent loincloth, a swimsuit etc. would also be good though. Suitable for most renders.
Well ... all of that is available for Genesis males. Just, you know, not here. I don't know why it's not here -- especially the more basic stuff -- but it isn't. (Although a couple of the barbarian sets do have loincloths.)
There is an underwear set technically available here, but only as part of the M5 pro bundle. It has no separate listing in the store. Which is a fairly bizarre decision; I wonder if maybe it's just a complete oversight? Every other generation has a set of underwear or "undergarments" available for each of the male figures except Genesis. Gen3 and Gen4 even have texture sets available for theirs.
In any event, if there'e a clothing person who wants to make something of the sort that they could actually sell at DAZ, clearly, the niche is there. You could even do a separate set for G2M -- whenever he comes out, with Michael 6 popping out slightly later than that -- and bundle it, the way Zev0 has done for some of his morphs. You could even do elaborate texture sets to make something fancy or swimwear, or something really skimpy out of it... although I suppose how elaborate you can get with men's underwear might be somewhat limiting. But still, the space is there.
Well ... all of that is available for Genesis males. Just, you know, not here. I don't know why it's not here -- especially the more basic stuff -- but it isn't. (Although a couple of the barbarian sets do have loincloths.)
There is an underwear set technically available here, but only as part of the M5 pro bundle. It has no separate listing in the store. Which is a fairly bizarre decision; I wonder if maybe it's just a complete oversight? Every other generation has a set of underwear or "undergarments" available for each of the male figures except Genesis. Gen3 and Gen4 even have texture sets available for theirs.
In any event, if there'e a clothing person who wants to make something of the sort that they could actually sell at DAZ, clearly, the niche is there. You could even do a separate set for G2M -- whenever he comes out, with Michael 6 popping out slightly later than that -- and bundle it, the way Zev0 has done for some of his morphs.
Good call. very true. Starting with the basics would be a step in the right direction at least for me, and probably mostly what I need. I don't need anything too exotic. Tried to find a loincloth for Michael, and ended up using the one for the troll. LOL
I honestly hope we don't wait long for gen2 male. =-) Even if they don't release M6 right away, I see no reason not to release the base figure.
What do you think about this men clothes? Would you want get M4/Genesis/G2M wardrobe like this?
If answer is Yes, Why? If answer is No, Why?
I surely want things like this for 3D men, Not only "litle-sexy-clothes" but strong and modern clothes like this.
http://www.fashionising.com/trends/b--mens-bomber-jackets-27763.html
http://www.fashionising.com/trends/b--mens-velvet-clothing-4505.html
http://www.fashionising.com/trends/b--camouflage-clothing-mens-camo-print-37242.html
http://www.fashionising.com/clothing/b--balancing-classics-comodo-square-mens-28490.html
http://www.fashionising.com/trends/b--motorcycle-jacket-biker-jacket-men-50138.html
http://www.fashionising.com/trends/b--how-to-wear-blue-clothing-for-men-50076.html
http://www.fashionising.com/runway/b--belstaff-mens-pf-13-37487.html#0
http://www.fashionising.com/runway/b--paul-smith-mens-ss-14-mens-57394.html#pg1
http://www.fashionising.com/trends/b--prints-for-men-26731.html
http://www.fashionising.com/clothing/b--balancing-classics-comodo-square-mens-28490.html#5
http://www.fashionising.com/runway/b--belstaff-mens-aw-13-mens-40295.html#1
http://www.fashionising.com/lookbook/b--belstaff-mens-ss-14-look-book-58005.html#0
Okay, I'll bite. What on earth is a Geometry Shell and what can I do with one, assuming I have one? I only use Studio to convert stuff for Genesis so I can use it in Poser. Took me nearly a year to figure that much out, so pardon my stoopid. :blushes:
I favor this sort of look, personally:
http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/mens_victorian_outfits.php
and I'm delighted that Marieah and SickleYield have provided so well for us:
http://www.daz3d.com/morphing-business-suit-bundle
http://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-morphing-tux-bundle
There are a few more pieces I'm looking for, but SickleYield, in particular, makes what I like. :)
Edited to add: like this! http://www.daz3d.com/doomed-poet-clothing :lol:
Do you mean something like that?
This is a little something (loinclothes and sandals, there is also a vest) I did for M4 a while back.
Okay, I'll bite. What on earth is a Geometry Shell and what can I do with one, assuming I have one? I only use Studio to convert stuff for Genesis so I can use it in Poser. Took me nearly a year to figure that much out, so pardon my stoopid. :blushes:
Oh. Blast. Well, that's the problem, then. Poser doesn't do geometry shells. In DS you can generate one from the "create" menu just as you would a primitive, a light, a camera, etc.
God I hope we don't wait months for G2M, I'm betting Girl6 will arrive first since hints to her are popping up already, but certainly hope we at least get basic male close too it.
Dunno, but maybe the men would get a higher opening sale intake if they weren't released after countless female characters ;-P Hint: wont be able to afford him if you keep releasing stunning chicks lol