Dawn... am I the only one not fond of her?
dakkuuan
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As the question in the title poses, am I the only one who doesn't like her? My main complaint with her is she really is a bit too specialized for my taste, isn't quiet general-looking enough. Pile on top of the fact she doesn't have any compatibility with other characters, meaning she has little versatility, the only use in my work I can see for her is one specific character in my book that seems to match her general look. Maybe what has brought on this line of thought is a lot of freebie work seems to be aimed at her lately and not other new figures, like the Genesis 2 figures. What do you guys think? Is she really that great and I am missing out on something or is she an acquired taste?
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No I havent bothered or need it V4 G1 g2...
Since this is DAZ territory, probably not the best place to get an unbiased opinion, which isn't really fair to Dawn. I do think, however, that it doesn't look nearly as realistic or versatile in facial appearance as the Genesis line.
I think she's like Victoria 4 was during her first year of release - interesting, but not supported to the extent that the previous popular character was at the time. (Which is somewhat unfair - the newer character can't possibly be as well-supported as the previous popular character because the newer character is too new.)
Once she has more morphs and wardrobe options, she'll be more useful. For now, I'll stick with what I have.
...I just couldn't afford to invest in another figure and all the supporting morphs/content to make her useful.
Besides I can make teens, kids and elderly people with Genesis and Genesis 2F/M. Can't do that yet with Dawn.
I wanted to like her and support the community effort around her, but after playing with her and the morphs available, I can't get an attractive figure that I can use in my work. She is just to dumpy, to general in her looks for my tastes. Which is kind of a good thing after hearing from Rawn about their policy on not allowing private bits on textures sold at Hivewire, I can't see supporting a store that is that closed minded (and I thought DAZ was bad, LOL).
I feel the reason she is regarded so high is you have a big group of poser users that are anti DAZ/Genesis and look at Dawn as "their" new figure
I gave her a try, but I was disappointed by the starter morph package (the lack of head morphs in particular), and when they finally released the full morphs for her... I realized that G2F was going to be the better value, dollar for dollar.
She has a lot of potential, but I only have so much money to spread around.
Played with Dawn for awhile, but like every other realistic figure I've played with I found it lacking compared to Genesis 1.
Dawn... am I the only one not fond of threads putting her down. If you don't like her ...just uninstall her. (yes I am cranky the 49ers lost!!)
Dawn sucks plain and simple. Just a dumbed down version of V6. On top of all that, her morphs aren't very realistic (especially the boobs).
I'll stick to Genesis.
I live in Vancouver BC so was rooting for Seattle. Wife & I admit 49ers were ripped off by the officiating.. I think Broncos will take it though..
I am a Poser user who is has a lot for Vicky 4 and I use Studio too, and I so wanted to like Dawn, I really did but with what is out there in terms of characters I am really disappointed there are so far only couple or so decent looking characters for her those being Laureen and Alexis for Dawn both are very good looking characters but not worth the out lay for me at the moment..
The problem I have seen is that the bulk of the characters I have seen have too much of the base figure showing and even after the release of the morphs well will have too wait and see..
I had bought a lot of Genesis 1 stuff and the best thing with G1 specially with GenX I can port my V4 characters over to G1. I was holding out on G2F when I heard about Dawn but after a while I started buying G2F content and since DSON works ok in Poser (I use Studio more for G1/G2F) lets just hope that support for Dawn increases more than what it has..
As at the moment with Victoria 4 still being supported heavily on one side and G1 and G2 on the other it is going to be hard..
I checked out Dawn, but her figure and shape reminds me too much of gen 4 characters figures. I didn't find anything in Dawn I couldn't find elsewhere.
I do want to support HIVEWIRE3d, though. Just don't have much use for this figure. I'll buy other stuff as soon as there is more genesis/Michael6 content.
Dawn is more like Daz characters than she is unlike them. For Poser users who don't have direct access to Genesis line figures, Dawn can fill a huge void. That said, Dawn for my tastes looks all wrong in the nose and ears, so I don't buy into her at all, nor any of her derivative characters. Dawn is however far better of a figure than I could ever produce on my own.
Dawn will only get better with time. It's too soon to count her out just yet.
Daz might even learn a thing or two from Dawn. Who knows?
...concerning the 49ers, same here. Sea Chickens will be tramped under the Broncos' hooves. (never was a big Seattle fan, football or baseball).
Personally I like Dawn and my interest is increasing as she evolves, I find that a lot can be done with her, I picked up a Xdresser licence for her and so can transfer clothing to fit her (although I much prefer autofit and would love to be able to use it for her).
She's a lot more versatile than many give her credit for.
here are a couple of images I did using her just using the morphs that are available for her.
As for Dawn, she's okay. There's not as much official support for her at the moment, so it's no surprise there aren't nearly as many morphs or clothing options as other figures currently have. Much like any figure in my library though, it's another tool which is available to me should I need it. I confess that Genesis 2 didn't sit well with me when it first released due to the gender split and lack of child morphs that Genesis classic has. Despite the scathing I gave it in those early days though, I find myself using the Genesis 2 figures as my first choice. As a result, I've learned to be more open minded when it comes to these things and avoid jumping to hasty conclusions.
I think a lot of people are taken with Dawn because she's a weight-mapped figure which is available in native Poser format. Even now, Victoria 4 still dominates the Poser world as many were slow to adopt Genesis and some claimed issues with the DSON importer. Dawn effectively gives them a little of that Genesis flexibility. Considering Poser's own range of figures largely look like an American footballer stereotype (broad shoulders, face that looks like it was chiseled in granite), Dawn must be a breath of fresh air for some.
There are differences between Xdresser and autofit especially how they handle things, one of the things that makes me prefer autofit is the way its inside DS, I find it fits my workflow a lot better than Xdresser.
I don't use Poser and you might be surprised how many DS users are using Dawn, its not just Poser users, Dawns shoulders can be altered as most of her can be, and personally I don't consider her face to look 'chiselled in granite', you need - as with any figure - to use your imagination and creativity and see beyond the base figure.
She looks a bit outdated to me.
And I'd also like to support HW3D but the lack of male content is rather odd.
I gave Dawn a try but I just didn't see what the value was for me. To me she felt like basically a 'new' Victoria 4.2 and that just didn't provide me much return on investment.
Have you seen the contest entries in the Hivewire gallery, there are some amazing images and they help show Dawn's potential, its really worth a look.
Dawn will be getting a male counterpart and then I think you will see a lot more male content in the store, at the moment the store is still building its stock and is mainly centred around Dawn.
...but how many of those works were done by people with advanced techniques like scripting custom morphs and make sculpting tweaks to the figure using programmes like Zbrush?. I and many others don't know how to do that nor can we afford such software so we have to rely on what is available commercially.
I think you will find very few. Personally I only used morphs and things that are either free or purchasable, many other finalist did as well.
To state that Dawn can only be altered using expensive products or skills you don't have shows that you have little experience with her, just because you don't think you could do something doesn't mean that someone else 'cheated' to do it.
Hey Scorpio, I do agree that a lot of the result depends on the artist's skill and I did see the entries :)
Some are very beautiful and impressive indeed, but still she has a kind of CG feel to her that I find myself hard to see past.
Glad to hear that she will have a counterpart!
What I like with Dawn is her slightly different looks. The default Dawn has an South-Eastern European look (think Romania, former Yugoslavia, even Turkey....) that differs enough from the more Scandinavian looking default Victoria to add diversity to my runtime. What I like less of course is that she's not compatible with any other character's clothes, which limits her a lot, as I'm not interested in purchasing an entirely new wardrobe for her.
I've no doubt that some Daz users make use of Dawn, but the vast majority of renders I've seen using her so far have been made in Poser. I saw only a handful of DS ones, and they were all test renders from people trying out the figure. I picked up Dawn more out of curiosity to find out what the fuss was about more than anything, but it's a capable figure even if it's not quite on par with Genesis in my opinion.
As for the differences between Crossdresser and autofit, the main one is that autofit works on Tri-Ax figures while Crossdresser is designed to re-rig the outfit to match the new figure. Both ultimately give very similar results, but Crossdresser is the only way I know of to convert clothing to Gen4 figures as there is no autofit function (that I'm aware of) for weight-mapped V4.
I don't get the Dawn dislike. She's pretty much like genesis, support is coming, more morphs just came out, and she CAN become a baby or a werewolf just as easily as genesis can. As long as someone makes them (have you seen Sparky's cat for Dawn?? LOVE IT) I'm sure there will be a male figure when they have time to work on it. They are a much smaller team and store so it will grow with time. :)
I really haven't ever seen a figure that had a beautiful base shape. All of the victoria bases- come on, we never used the base shape or base texture for ANYTHING did we?? i sure never did.
I'm not giving up on Genesis but i have plenty of room for Dawn in my runtime and she's quite a lovely lady IMO. :) I enjoy the variety and it's nice having a different female shape for once. :)
I didn't make this thread to bash Dawn, I don't dislike her, but even on the free level she will likely always lack the versatility of Genesis and Genesis 2. I just wanted to know what the fuss was about, since there seems to be a growing amount of support for her. Maybe I'm a little cranky that free stuff made for v4 I can use, which a lot of people still make. Until someone makes an autofit clone for her to Genesis or G2, there are some very cool, free outfits I likely will never get to use. I don't think she's bad, I just wanted to know if there was something I was missing (which apparently there isn't, yet).
I don't have any feelings on Dawn, I got her base figure when she free at one point, but never downloaded her, but seeing a lot of clothes and stuff released for her through Poser World definitely makes me want to give her a try, I'm not sure when I'll get around to buying the morphs and stuff for her but there seems to be a lot of freebies for her to give her a try.
I like all of my dolls ...
That said: http://hivewire3d.com/forum/showthread.php?393-Create-a-V4-Clone-for-Dawn-(a-tutorial)
You can put V4 clothes on her.
With me the issue is quite simple: there are very few interesting outfits to go with Dawn but loads for Victorias four, five and six. Note that "interesting" is, of course, a highly subjective term.
My taste in outfits tends to go to two extremes, ankle-length historical and fantasy gowns and glorified bikini fantasy warrioress outfits. Dawn is at present poorly served in both departments.