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LOL, to true.
They should just cut all the drama and face reality...they are and always will be 'AS' to 99.9% of us...
Dawn reminds me of being in High School and the new girl comes in and people automatically don’t like her even though they have not got to know her yet.
Reading over this thread the popular census seems to be that there are not many DazStudio Dawn characters and that the Dawn characters still look like Dawn. But browsing around Hivewire, there does not seem to be a flood of morph texture characters for her, and the few HiveWire has really transforms her with different character shapes and textures, there are also DazStudio versions and DazStudio only characters there.
Dawn is not here to replace any of your other 3D models; she is here to work with them. I think she looks good standing next to the Daz models.
i agree !!!!
I got to know As-Shanim and Siliphiel very well a few years ago. One thing that I came to understand about them is that they will always be artists first and merchants second. Like many artists, their hearts and emotions are deeply engaged with everything they do. While it might be easy to think of their name changes as 'drama', to them something changed in regards to their lives, goals, etc.
Knowing them as I do, this latest name change probably signifies a good thing for them.
Just a reminder that HiveWire is not the only store selling Dawn related characters and clothing. RDNA has some, and there's quite a large selection at Renderosity, where I've been getting mine.
Speaking of Rendo's content for Dawn, there is a package called "Tribal Witch", which is really interesting. Finally somebody made a character that doesn't look like Dawn in a different makeup. Plus the clothes are good. Fabiana made some updates to her hairdos, which is a good sign for the new figure (Eternal Kyra is updated among others if I am right). RDNA offers some neat products which are usually clothes and haircuts for V4 AND Dawn. Still, it's a bit too few of them to make people focus on Dawn instead of having them just to make femme fatales or emo rebels I told you about.
Yea, 95% of the vendors there still focus on the OLD V4. They loose business by not supporting newer figures but I understand that it's allot of work to get familiar with new figures but that is the wave of the future, weight mapped figures are SO much better in so many ways. They won't make a dime from me as long as they stay with the older technology.
How do you know they are losing business? This is the thing to know when you look at a store:
Vendors produce items that make them money. So if you see a store focusing on one character, that's the one that's pulling in the majority of the money.
So if you see a vendor (or a group of vendors) try a new figure and go back to older figures, then more likely than not they haven't made money on that new figure to justify the change. So if that happens, you probably need to look at why vendors are going back to older figures such as V4. Chances are the market isn't large enough to support the change, not the vendor is unwilling to try new technology. If that's the case, then the focus should be on why the market didn't buy into the new figure or more likely, the software to support the new figure.
How do you know they are losing business? This is the thing to know when you look at a store:
Vendors produce items that make them money. So if you see a store focusing on one character, that's the one that's pulling in the majority of the money.
So if you see a vendor (or a group of vendors) try a new figure and go back to older figures, then more likely than not they haven't made money on that new figure to justify the change. So if that happens, you probably need to look at why vendors are going back to older figures such as V4. Chances are the market isn't large enough to support the change, not the vendor is unwilling to try new technology. If that's the case, then the focus should be on why the market didn't buy into the new figure or more likely, the software to support the new figure.
This. I'm not a vendor, but I've read multiple posts by them who've said as such.
Take AS for example: http://forum.runtimedna.com/showthread.php?79921-Poserpro2014-gt-gt-gt-Victoria-6-Genesis-2-Female&p=765307&viewfull=1#post765307
Obviously they aren't losing business that they already have. Potential business, probably.
It's pretty obvious that much of the market is looking for a way to make weightmapped figures work for them. So far none of them seem to be really giving V4 that much of a run for her money. Chiefly because you can still *use* V4 in both of the dueling apps. And probably in most of the additional higher-end apps as well. She isn't going to disappear, because she still has a lot to offer.
But still, we've seen Antonia polygon, My Michelle, Roxie, two or three weightmapped versions of V4, probably some others I don't remember, and now Dawn all jockying for position and so far none of them appears to be a conclusive winner. Dawn appears to have the broadest range of vendor support out of the box -- except that it isn't exactly out of the box. But it hasn't tapered off yet, so i think we can expect to see her gain a bit more support, at least on the Poser side. I don't think it unreasonable to suspect that by her 2nd anniversary, she may have generated enough support and content to be a real contender. Probably not the level of a contender that Genesis 1 was, but she may be more in use in Poser than Genesis 1 may be.
She does not appear to be making anything like the same inroads in Studio, and her Studio support is half-hearted at best. Which should surprise nobody. Studio already has weightmapped figures which are easy enough to use for any rank beginner to be willing to use them.
nevermind ;)
Both sold at HiveWire as well, FYI
lol what?
I didn't do it, I swear. :d
lol what?
I didn't do it, I swear. :d
I did it...or at least part of it...
So did I. I started it.
Nanner nanner.
Ok, if you two are willing to accept blame, for whatever it is that you did, I'm fine with it. :P
This. I'm not a vendor, but I've read multiple posts by them who've said as such.
Take AS for example: http://forum.runtimedna.com/showthread.php?79921-Poserpro2014-gt-gt-gt-Victoria-6-Genesis-2-Female&p=765307&viewfull=1#post765307
I guess you are right, this is business, so if something makes loses, one must abandon it - especially if it is his or her only job. I can imagine some people make smaller stuff like poses as some kind of a good combo of making some additional "pocket money", let's say, but having fun at the same time. But if 3D is your full-time job, then sentiments don't mean anything. You have to sustain yourself and probably your family as well. You also need to constantly improve your skills to be competitive. This requires money to invest.
I am always impressed by vendors who know how to create high quality content for several figures. Take Sickleyield, DarioFish, StudioArtVartanian, P3Design, Mairy and 3Dream. This way you can get more attention from customers using different figures. Basically, you can buy a product and no matter if you prefer Genesis, Generation 4, Gen2F/Gen2M or even Dawn, you can use it.
I would be far from saying OLD V4. Having such wide array of products designed for her - and the ability of Genesis to use her clothes, textures and hairdos with no or minor adjustments - make her a good choice for the majority of vendors. The base V4 is not so fantastic nowadays when you compare her to Genesis, but get a few packs and she's transformed into something very good. I'd never abandon her completely just for the sake of great freebie morphs and character packs Thorne makes :). She works well it both leading 3D applications (DS and Poser), so it's no surprise nobody thinks of getting rid of her. I would be very far from such "aggressive" suggestions like somebody raised in the previous month about DAZ archiving stuff for figures older than Genesis. I am much more surprised that someone may still use Poser native figures like that Roxie or Alyson. I won't discuss that any further, because I don't feel entitled to do so as I never used Poser, but the pictures on the Web show how superior even the base V4 is.
Dawn. Head by StudioArtVartanian, texture by Tempesta3D, Shape of Dawn by Lyrra, Hair by Fabiana, Superheroine outfit by Powerage. Crappy Poser render by myself. Not overwhelmed to begin with. More I use her, the more I like her.
I like the way you put the elements together here. I know some people say that she looks the same in every render, but they must not have seen the more recent renders. In the early renders, everyone was using her base skin, and why not. I cannot think of another single figure whose base skin material was suitable for making a decent render. But there are several different face materials now and different morph options out there that make her very easy to dial. Posing her is a delight. So as more things have become available, I find myself inspired to create art with 3D again and I must admit that before she came along, it was kind of starting to wane a bit, since V4 as versatile as she was, lacked some of the bells and whistles of the newer figures.
The first few times I used her I was impressed but not blown away. As time has gone on, I have really grown very fond of her especially since more morphs and textures have made her easier to use and easier to make more diverse characters.
If only vendors stop sticking to fair-skinned women of Europe or the US, Dawn may have a chance. There is an Aborigin morph at HiveWire, but this is the only unusual set so far (apart from the tribal witch package).
Nor fair-skinned women ...
http://www.runtimedna.com/Mst-Exotique-for-Dawn.html
http://hivewire3d.com/mst-sam-for-dawn.html
http://hivewire3d.com/shop/people/texture-skin-maps/ml-alisha.html
or
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/ml-alisha/102855/
http://hivewire3d.com/shop/people/texture-skin-maps/the-face-of-asia-for-dawn-467.html
http://hivewire3d.com/shop/people/texture-skin-maps/the-face-of-asia-for-dawn.html
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/lk-miriam-for-dawn/102076/
Avery Scales
sorry late to the party, still got the Dawn sr1 whatever updates sitting unzipped too, nothing against her, just not a priority
"Dawn… am I the only one not fond of her?"
No - you are not :P
If only vendors stop sticking to fair-skinned women of Europe or the US, Dawn may have a chance. There is an Aborigin morph at HiveWire, but this is the only unusual set so far (apart from the tribal witch package).
Why is that then? I like Ethnic stuff too, but its well known that there is not much demand for in this market.
Seems there are a handful of people who are very enthusiastic and vocal about it, but when it comes to sales, the vast majority are not that interested.
I love her and use her most of the time now, and it really isn't that expensive in my opinion as I am able to use V4 clothes on her, V4 textures on her, genesis poses work with minor adjustments, the current hairs I have work after being refitted. Yes I had to spend a little more to get the reality paint texture program, and the hair transfer program, but it greatly extends the use of the all the other products I've bought over time for V4. She will only get better as time goes on. I still use all the other figures as well but she has a definite place in my runtime. Here a few of my renders of her.
Nice findings, Kerya! I think Miriam looks different enough, Sam is a bit Arabian as well, but the problem with Dawn is that vendors may change the skin tone, but the face is still not diverse enough. I noticed that almost every character's nose is nearly the same as the default one. And noses are very distinctive features of a human face, so they should be varied.
If only vendors stop sticking to fair-skinned women of Europe or the US, Dawn may have a chance. There is an Aborigin morph at HiveWire, but this is the only unusual set so far (apart from the tribal witch package).
Well I think like a lot of figures the majority of the characters are and have always been of the anglo variety, but actually there are more than two ethnic character sets out there for Dawn. I know because I actually own these--
MST Sam for Dawn—Hivewire
Face of Asia Dawn-Hivewire
Alisha for Dawn—Hivewire
Kerri for Dawn—Hivewire
LK-Miriam for Dawn—Renderosity
Rui for Dawn—Renderosity
Kimiko for Dawn- Renderosity
MST Exotique for Dawn RDNA