Novica & Forum Members Tips & Product Reviews Pt 13
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Aiko 8 / The Girl 8
Alexandra 8 / Leisa 8
Babina 8 / Tasha 8
Bridget 8 / Mrs. Chow 8
Charlotte 8 / Robyn 8 In Progress
Christian 8 / Lucas 8
CJ 8 / Monique 8
Dain 8 / Leroy 8
Dain 8 / Owen 8
Darcy 8 / Zalara 8
Darius 8 / Diego 8
Dasan 8 / Lucas 8
Edie 8 / Mabel 8
Ellithia 8 / Kanade 8
Eva 8 / Gia 8
Eva 8 / Monique
Floyd 8 / Nix 8
Floyd 8 / Owen 8
Gabriela 8 / Latonya 8
Jenni 8 / Kala 8
Jenni 8 / Nida 8
Josephine 8 / Rynne 8
Kala 8 / Teen Raven 8
Kanade 8 / Teen Jane 8
Lee 8 / Toon Dwayne 8
Mabel 8 / The Girl 8
Mei Lin 8 / Zalara 8
Michael 8 / Silas 8
Mr Woo 8 / Yuzuru 8
Ollie 8 / Vladamir 8
Olympia 8 / Teen Raven 8
Robyn 8 / Tika 8
Sanjay 8 / Vladmir 8
Syndey 8 / Victoria 8 In Progress
The Brute 8 / Vladmir 8
Charlotte 8 Robyn 8
Charlotte 8 50% Robyn 8 50% Charlotte 8 Materials
Charlotte 8 50% Robyn 8 50% Robyn 8 Materials
Aiko 8 / The Girl 8
Alexandra 8 / Leisa 8
Babina 8 / Tasha 8
Bridget 8 / Mrs. Chow 8
Charlotte 8 / Robyn 8
Christian 8 / Lucas 8
CJ 8 / Monique 8
Dain 8 / Leroy 8
Dain 8 / Owen 8
Darcy 8 / Zalara 8
Darius 8 / Diego 8
Dasan 8 / Lucas 8
Edie 8 / Mabel 8
Ellithia 8 / Kanade 8
Eva 8 / Gia 8
Eva 8 / Monique
Floyd 8 / Nix 8
Floyd 8 / Owen 8
Gabriela 8 / Latonya 8
Jenni 8 / Kala 8
Jenni 8 / Nida 8
Josephine 8 / Rynne 8
Kala 8 / Teen Raven 8
Kanade 8 / Teen Jane 8
Latonya 8 / Teen Josie 8
Lee 8 / Toon Dwayne 8
Mabel 8 / The Girl 8
Mei Lin 8 / Zalara 8
Michael 8 / Silas 8
Mr Woo 8 / Yuzuru 8
Ollie 8 / Vladamir 8
Olympia 8 / Teen Raven 8
Robyn 8 / Tika 8
Sanjay 8 / Vladmir 8
Syndey 8 / Victoria 8 In Progress
The Brute 8 / Vladmir 8
One thing we can see from all this 50/50 is why we all have trouble with lighting characters. Just look at how different each skin pair looks under identical lighting!
Totally agree. And think of the issues of a multi-character scene. Lighting people on films must be highly skilled and with more tools than we have to do a crowd scene.
Of course, in real life, I expect it is rare for a group of folks to be at their absolute best, in the same enviroment/lighting setup.
Just back in from walking Bugsy. Temperature at about 18, feel like 8F. Snow falling lightly now, but with a bite. Thankfully Bugs did not want to take long.
Wow, 89F and sunny here in Florida.
Yeah, Easter Sunday saw a 42 degree drop from Saturday. This week it is snow. Then back to 60/70s. Spring in Colorado. My allergies are going nuts.
Well now I have to put Leisa on my wishlist for her materials!
Yes, It is really nice. It isn't orange, like so many skins.
Latonya 8 Teen Josie 8
Latonya 8 50% Teen Josie 8 50% Latonya Materials
Latonya 8 50% Teen Josie 8 50% Teen Josie 8 Materials
I mixed Edward 8 and Tristan 8 together, along with their HD morphs to 50%, Trevor Hair Set. Edward does not have fibermesh brows, so I used the ones from Liam, one of his add-on characters. Tristian 8 is one of the neglected core characters, with only two add-on characters and a morph pack.
Edward skin.
Tristan skin
Mary
Updating what has not been used yet:
G8F Core: Caryn 8, Karyssa 8, Mika 8, Penny 8, Sakura 8, Stephanie 8, Sydney 8, Teen Kaylee 8, Victoria 8
G8M Core: Jonanthan 8, Landon 8, Tobyn 8
Mary
Completed:
Aiko 8 / The Girl 8
Alexandra 8 / Leisa 8
Babina 8 / Tasha 8
Bridget 8 / Mrs. Chow 8
Charlotte 8 / Robyn 8
Christian 8 / Lucas 8
CJ 8 / Monique 8
Dain 8 / Leroy 8
Dain 8 / Owen 8
Darcy 8 / Zalara 8
Darius 8 / Diego 8
Dasan 8 / Lucas 8
Edie 8 / Mabel 8
Edward 8 / Tristan 8
Ellithia 8 / Kanade 8
Eva 8 / Gia 8
Eva 8 / Monique
Floyd 8 / Nix 8
Floyd 8 / Owen 8
Gabriela 8 / Latonya 8
Jenni 8 / Kala 8
Jenni 8 / Nida 8
Josephine 8 / Rynne 8
Kala 8 / Teen Raven 8
Kanade 8 / Teen Jane 8
Latonya 8 / Teen Josie 8
Lee 8 / Toon Dwayne 8
Mabel 8 / The Girl 8
Mei Lin 8 / Zalara 8
Michael 8 / Silas 8
Mr Woo 8 / Yuzuru 8
Ollie 8 / Vladamir 8
Olympia 8 / Teen Raven 8
Robyn 8 / Tika 8
Sanjay 8 / Vladmir 8
Syndey 8 / Victoria 8 In Progress
The Brute 8 / Vladmir 8
Sydney 8 Victoria 8
Sydney 8 50% Victoria 8 50% Sydney 8 Materials
Sydney 8 50% Victoria 8 50% Victoria 8 Materials
I believe Caryn and Tobyn are not "8" core characters. They are "for Genesis 8" characters, like PA characters are. Their names are not really Caryn 8 or Tobyn 8, they are Caryn HD for Genesis 8 Female and Tobyn HD for Genesis 8 Male. Of course that doesn't mean they can't be included. I'd say it is up to Novica whether she wants to extend the gene pool that far.
Stephanie 8 and Nida 8 I have to say, I haven't looked at Stephanie since her release because of the orange skin. But I think with Nida mixed in, that skin color seems to mellow and work with the adjusted morph. And I am not sure, but I think with Nida's skin, there is a likeness to Michelle Obama. Need to mess again with Altern 8 for Stephanie's skin.
Stephanie 8 Skin
Nida 8 skin
That is correct, except they released add-on characters for them. Which led to some confusion on their release.
Of course, Daz could simplfy our lives and come out with Baby 8 after Cat 8! :-) I adjusted the list.
G8F Core: Karyssa 8, Mika 8, Penny 8, Sakura 8, Teen Kaylee 8,
G8M Core: Jonanthan 8, Landon 8
Aiko 8 / The Girl 8
Alexandra 8 / Leisa 8
Babina 8 / Tasha 8
Bridget 8 / Mrs. Chow 8
Charlotte 8 / Robyn 8
Christian 8 / Lucas 8
CJ 8 / Monique 8
Dain 8 / Leroy 8
Dain 8 / Owen 8
Darcy 8 / Zalara 8
Darius 8 / Diego 8
Dasan 8 / Lucas 8
Edie 8 / Mabel 8
Edward 8 / Tristan 8
Ellithia 8 / Kanade 8
Eva 8 / Gia 8
Eva 8 / Monique
Floyd 8 / Nix 8
Floyd 8 / Owen 8
Gabriela 8 / Latonya 8
Jenni 8 / Kala 8
Jenni 8 / Nida 8
Josephine 8 / Rynne 8
Kala 8 / Teen Raven 8
Kanade 8 / Teen Jane 8
Latonya 8 / Teen Josie 8
Lee 8 / Toon Dwayne 8
Mabel 8 / The Girl 8
Mei Lin 8 / Zalara 8
Michael 8 / Silas 8
Mr Woo 8 / Yuzuru 8
Ollie 8 / Vladamir 8
Olympia 8 / Teen Raven 8
Penny 8 / Teen Kaylee 8 In Progress
Robyn 8 / Tika 8
Sanjay 8 / Vladmir 8
Stephanie 8 / Nidia 8
Syndey 8 / Victoria 8
The Brute 8 / Vladmir 8
The only thing I have on the missing list is Sakura 8, and she doesn't really work well at less than 100%, because of her added eye mesh. I couldn't figure out how to adjust that. Maybe someone else has that figured out.
I went back through page 9 and could not see Karyssa 8, Mika 8 or on the guys side, Jonathan 8 or Landon 8 listed. I am almost done with Penny 8 and Teen Kaylee 8.
So as I finished that above, the last render completed. Here is Penny 8 with her HD and Teen Kaylee 8, in Textured Bob Hair. At 50% Penny turns into a pretty teen girl. Their skins are very similar.
Penny 8 skin
Teen Kaylee Skin
G8F Core: Karyssa 8, Mika 8, Sakura 8,
G8M Core: Jonanthan 8, Landon 8
Aiko 8 / The Girl 8
Alexandra 8 / Leisa 8
Babina 8 / Tasha 8
Bridget 8 / Mrs. Chow 8
Charlotte 8 / Robyn 8
Christian 8 / Lucas 8
CJ 8 / Monique 8
Dain 8 / Leroy 8
Dain 8 / Owen 8
Darcy 8 / Zalara 8
Darius 8 / Diego 8
Dasan 8 / Lucas 8
Edie 8 / Mabel 8
Edward 8 / Tristan 8
Ellithia 8 / Kanade 8
Eva 8 / Gia 8
Eva 8 / Monique
Floyd 8 / Nix 8
Floyd 8 / Owen 8
Gabriela 8 / Latonya 8
Jenni 8 / Kala 8
Jenni 8 / Nida 8
Josephine 8 / Rynne 8
Kala 8 / Teen Raven 8
Kanade 8 / Teen Jane 8
Latonya 8 / Teen Josie 8
Lee 8 / Toon Dwayne 8
Mabel 8 / The Girl 8
Mei Lin 8 / Zalara 8
Michael 8 / Silas 8
Mr Woo 8 / Yuzuru 8
Ollie 8 / Vladamir 8
Olympia 8 / Teen Raven 8
Penny 8 / Teen Kaylee 8
Robyn 8 / Tika 8
Sanjay 8 / Vladmir 8
Stephanie 8 / Nidia 8
Syndey 8 / Victoria 8
The Brute 8 / Vladmir 8
While this doesn’t EXACTLY fit the requirements, here’s a render I did of Sakura (actually Pix Charu for Sakura) and Mrs. Chow:
Mrs. Chowru
Robyn 8 50%, Tika 8 50%; Amelia Hair. (I've been staying with short hair for these, so more of the shape is visible, from the ears to the jaw line.)
Materials: The Robyn default load, Low Translucency.
Materials: The Tika default load, Low Translucency.
I haven't been mentioning which presets, but I wanted to mention all my renders for this challenge are using the Easy Portraits - Light Presets, mentioned in my first post of the challenge. The difference lighting can make has been mentioned, so I changed up the lighting and rendered this set again… Robyn's materials first, followed by Tika's materials. The only difference is which lighting presets I used. (The backgrounds show the color of the lighting presets.)
Aiko 8 / The Girl 8
Alexandra 8 / Leisa 8
Babina 8 / Tasha 8
Bridget 8 / Mrs. Chow 8
Charlotte 8 / Robyn 8
Christian 8 / Lucas 8
CJ 8 / Monique 8
Dain 8 / Leroy 8
Dain 8 / Owen 8
Darcy 8 / Zalara 8
Darius 8 / Diego 8
Dasan 8 / Lucas 8
Edie 8 / Mabel 8
Edward 8 / Tristan 8
Ellithia 8 / Kanade 8
Eva 8 / Gia 8
Eva 8 / Monique
Floyd 8 / Nix 8
Floyd 8 / Owen 8
Gabriela 8 / Latonya 8
Gabriela 8 / Sakura 8
Jenni 8 / Kala 8
Jenni 8 / Nida 8
Josephine 8 / Rynne 8
Kala 8 / Teen Raven 8
Kanade 8 / Teen Jane 8
Latonya 8 / Teen Josie 8
Lee 8 / Toon Dwayne 8
Mabel 8 / The Girl 8
Mei Lin 8 / Zalara 8
Michael 8 / Silas 8
Mr Woo 8 / Yuzuru 8
Ollie 8 / Vladamir 8
Olympia 8 / Teen Raven 8
Robyn 8 / Tika 8
Sanjay 8 / Vladmir 8
Syndey 8 / Victoria 8
The Brute 8 / Vladmir 8
I decided to tackle the issue with Sakura's eyes…
(I dialed in Sakura 50%, then tested different figures at 50% until I found something that looked reasonable. That's how I ended up with Gabriela.)
The problem with Sakura's eyes may be surmountable, but I found the easiest thing to do was to delete the separate Sakura 8 Eye Balls and Sakura 8 Eye Sockets. That does mean, however, you'll have to find another source for the eye materials. The G8F eye materials zones are essentially turned off by the Sakura 8 materials preset. I don't have a lot of toon characters, but I was able to apply Toon Dad's eyes and get a reasonable result. If you look close, you'll see the Sakura 8 materials essentially hide the lacrimals. I ended up using the DG Iray Toon Styles for Genesis 2 on the eyes for the Iris color, which applied without issue, so the UVs must not have changed much from G2 to G8, (or there was an update that's not mentioned on the product page.)
To blend the two face shapes, I had to modify the eyes. Selecting first the Left Eye bone and then the Right Eye bone in the scene tab, I increased the scale to 105%. I moved both down, (Y-Translate,) -0.20 and forward, (Z-Translate,) 0.20; I moved the left eye to the left, (X-Translate,) 0.10 and the right eye to the right, (X-Translate,) -0.10. Finally, I increased the size of the Irises by 25% using the Eyes Iris Size morph from the Head Morphs for Genesis 8 female(s), although it might look fine to increase the size even more for the toon materials version.
Here are the renders, Gabriela 50%, Sakura 50%, eyes modified as described above. Expression created using Expression Mixer, Randomize All, (as mentioned by @barbult. Thanks!) and then tweaked.
Materials: The Gabriela default load, Low Translucency.
Materials: The Sakura default load, Low Translucency; Sakura 8 Eyelashes, Sakura 8 Eyebrows. (Eye materials modified as described in the first paragraph of the post.)
The hair is Bella Bleu Hair for G3F/G8F, default load.
That looks like a good compromise on the Sakura eye problem.
@L'Adair, to say that I am in awe of what you described, is an understatement. You are incredible.
Mary
For the two main characters: are we to start with the base G8F/G8M and then dial in the two characters 50-50, and apply whichever skin of the two?
Awww. Thank you.
(Give yourself another 4-5 years working in DS and you'll probably be running circles around me…!)
I started out using the two G8F figures in the scene from the previous comparison. I didn't fully realize Sakura used replacement objects for the eye balls and eye sockets until I was trying to load the materials. At that point, I probably wasted half an hour or so trying to apply similar changes to the addons as I had for the built in eyes. I decided it wasn't worth the effort, to be honest.
I found using two figures in the scene, in the same space worked really well. In 4.12, ctrl-click on the top level hides everything parented to the figure, so I unparented the hair, and I could quickly go back and forth between the figures to test lighting, hair color, etc. Selecting both in the scene tab and the choosing All in the Parameters tab allowed me to make most shape changes to both figures at the same time. Same with pose controls for the expressions, untiil I started using the Expression Mixer. Then I created a preset to transfer the expression to the other figure.
I parented the camera to one head, so it moved up or down with the head as the shape morphs changed the figure height. Then I tweaked the view, if necessary.
I totally agree!!!!
And compliments on everyone's renders. Wow, just wow.
That's a shame about Tristan.Those men look really good!
So I think we got almost everyone, if not everyone covered for the 8's.