AI is going to be our biggest game changer
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I particulary like this person's results wth the witches
https://www.facebook.com/groups/526007639164475/user/543595416/
I never could render such scenes
I can not be held responsible for any existential crisis that may follow.
it's open beta now but I use all my free goes in one day
only credit card for subscription sadly not Paypal
but that might be a good thing as I will need to actually make an effort to buy a prepaid toppable card not linked to my bank account
so keep rethinking
Maincoon cat and Cockerspaniel dog owners are unhappy BTW, get flagged for banned words and threatened with account closure
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/571401/the-future-and-artists-redundancy#latest
was a thread in the Carrara forum I started but I feel this is a wider community topic
Pandora has opened her box
It looks like AI won't be a game changer as much as a game ender.
I was surprised about the Paypal. Hopefully someday.
I did the basic 10$ sub... I think that might be enough once the newness wears off.
Right now, barely enough. I don't consider it art, per se.
But it is fascinating.
@TheMysteryIsThePoint
I look forward to AI taking over mundane tasks like UV mapping and creating realistic human voices.
I can remember( back in my “stretched canvas/fine art “days),
hearing old school traditional artist ridicule the notion that any any “art of substance”could ever by created on a computer.
I remember how George Lucas was brutally savaged by traditional Directors for not only his use of full CG actors but his use of digital recording instead of film.
Today most hollywood ,big budget films are shot on ARRY 8K Digital Cinema Cameras and Thanos was totally believable.
When I get a decent GPU machine I will migrate to UE5 and the metahumans.
I dont fear these advances I embrace them.
The whole point is, eventually we won't be needed anymore, either.
Users will be people telling an EZ-AI agent to assemble images and sequences and perhaps entire narratives using graphic and audio elements created and gathered by superior and mostly anonymous curators, artists and artisans. The most obvious use case and impetus for development is pornography, but I'm sure other segments of the entertainment market will follow eventually. For all we know, considering the popularity of automated online gambling, there may not even be a need for human athletes anymore, and event outcomes will be decided by quantum-based random number generators.
So... one tells the AI what one wants to see, the AI parses the web for pictures fitting that wish and arranges as good as possible to produce something, that it's code tells it the human wants to see?
Had only a short look at one video with examples and I can't say that I'm impressed.
And I can gladly say, that I don't give a flying eff about it. From what I've seen, it's "Art For The Smartphone Generation" aka "Press a button and let the internet algorithms decide what you want to see", which is in no way creative or artistic. But of course there have to be people who think otherwise, like with all these utterly fantastic NFTs.
So yeah, it's a great intellectual achievement to train the AI to assemble pictures by certain algorithms, but it's still only the modern version of the "1 millions chimpanzees with typewriters are sure to produce a Shakespeare play" meme.
Seems like a dead link to me
Right now, the algorithms still seem to need human input to do their job. But I agree, that soon the point will be reached, when the only ones who consume this AI made "art" are other AIs, as some/many/most/all humans will get bored by it.
I'm 62 years old, and have seen so many "worldchanging new technologies" in my livetime that sparkled for a couple years, just to fade away into nothingness after the glamour wore off.. I don't expect it being different this time.
I'm really tempted to let the AI produce a picture showing "a maine coon pawing a big black (insert the other word for rooster here)" and seeing the results.
When one uses the same description again and again and again... when will the AI start to repeat it's output? I mean, there's still a limited amount of material on the internet it can work with, in some areas..
I struggle with what makes rendering in DAZ so different?
I buy a character, an outfit, a pose, a light and an environment made by artists. I tweak it a little bit and set up a camera and press render.
Am I an artist? Am I creating art??
Now, I join Midjourney I just tell it what to put in a scene with words, can also tell it what kind of lighting to use, how to set the frame, etc, etc, etc
Is it so different from what I did in DAZ?
These are questions I struggle with and don't really have a final answer to just yet...
As with anything, the fine print of the User agreement will determine who owns the resulting AI art. If AI generates and / or manipulates, then it takes at a minimum, the "Licensed USE" rights of the work. No thankyou.
The big difference is that with Daz Studio, you have a lot more decisions to make, and work with a lot more limitations. mostly your own.
the facebook link works for me on multiple devices so maybe one needs to be signed into Facebook
the user is not a "Friend"
it actually doesn't simply trawl the internet for pictures rather it is fed pictures for deep learning and creates it's own using models, Dr Karoly in his 2 minute papers explains this better than I ever could.
Are you sure about that? It certainly plays a part, but it isn't what the brain is "made of" in aggregate.
How will the Daz business model survive the AI generated art revolution? There are many models in development by companies with deep pockets (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Tencent, Nvidia, etc.) and open source communities. I don't think people understand that within a few years, photorealistic generated photos at a reasonable resolution will be available to the public. When anybody can type in a textbox and get a photo of whatever they want, why would anyone use Daz Studio? Daz has built their business on selling content, partly depending on new users. What will be the "hook" to get new users to buy into the Daz ecosystem? Who is going to want to spend hundreds of dollars on assets and hundreds of hours learning Iray, 3D terminology, posing, lighting, postwork, etc. when a new user can get just as good or better results from an AI model.
And... Is it the brain that makes us conscious beings, thinking is another matter... Some think with their brain, some with their hart and some with organs located down south...
Why do some people restore old cars or write novels that nobody is ever allowed to see, when one can buy premade new cars, books, movies, whatever.
It's more about the creation process than the result.
Will there be enough of these people to sustain the Daz business model? Will this reduced number of new users be able to provide the cashflow for PA's to make new content?
It's just that: we humans a curious by nature and try to create as long as we live- no matter if it is art, cooking, or turning timber into a house. AI still needs the human drive to create and command. I'll start to worry the day AI makes Art without getting a command, just for the fun of it.
Engineering could benefit. The learning curve to do the simplest things is very steep. For exmple, say "make a cylinder, chamfered appropriately, 3" by 6" and place it on the floor." That's really hard in almost all tools and it's the easy part. Now in DAZ, I'd love to have a way for a character to move realistically without floating like a balloon, feet on the floor, you know, gravity. Our computer software tools are really awful, I look forward to the improvements.
I agree 100%. I think all the mocap gear I blew hard earned money on will be obsolete by the end of the year. And I couldn't be happier about it.
For what you are asserting to be true, there would have to be no instances where the democratization of these technologies have not empowered an individual to do something that a short while ago only ILM or Dreamworks or Lucasfilms could have done. You are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. See @Wolf359 's post... that is what is happening.
You may not give a flying whatever, but a billion dollar industry is being driven by these technologies. Because they are empowering creative people to do something that they could not previously do in a manner and efficiency that was not previously possible. Ever single generation has it's luddites that resist the inevitable and inexorable forward march of technology and don't realize that they are now their grandparents. And the result has always been the same: some will be a part of this future and some will not. Guess who will better express their creativity when you will either get concept are for virtually free and in minutes, or at $450 and in weeks.
That analogy is nonsense. To call that "assembling pictures by certain algorithms", is to call everything that we do the same thing.
I repeat that anyone who has not been shocked, amazed, and even a little afraid by the acceleration of the pace of advancements in AI is simply willfully ignorant. It's staring us right in our faces; you just have to not want to not see it. Things like Midjourney are not even the most incredible examples of what is possible now that wasn't 5 years ago.
As more support, I reference an argument that Neil deGrasse Tyson gave. He called it something like "The Time To Blow Your Mind" function. He pointed out that at the time of the last Ice Age, you would have to go back in time twenty thousand years before the people of the current time would have a technology that would blow the minds of the people of the previous time. He pulled out his iPhone and noted that today, it would have blown the mind of someone just 20 years ago. Now, I'd say were are down to less than a year. How can anyone dismiss this as a fad?
Mutatis mutandis.
Yes, it is the brain that makes us conscious beings. Everyone thinks with their brain. You are conflating objective reality with the figurative.
Very well said.
AI is certainly going to destroy certain fields, but they are the fields that should be destroyed. I cannot help but observe that we have had advancing technology since fire, but we all still have jobs and lead lives that we consider productive and meaningful. I, for one, am glad that I don't have to forage for food or die in my 20s from an infected tooth, and have time to do 3D animation instead of fighting against nature for my own mere survival.
Anyone remember the movie Quest For Fire? Wasn't the final scene of the two of them laying, gazing up at the moon a powerful image? She was Homo Sapiens; she was smarter than him and it was her brains that allowed them to transition from existing always on the edge of extintion at the hands of nature, to leisure and intellectual thoughts like "What is that big round thing up there?" i.e. the beginning of Scientific Inquiry, which is responsible for virtually all human progress. I totally think that's still happening today.
Back in the day, there was a lot of crappy "Art" made for home decor. Maybe still is, I don't know. But I used to know a guy who worked for a company that hired "painters" to follow certain formats to make a painted landscapes. One guy did backgrounds, another, buildings, another trees, another ocean waves, another, figures. Assembly line 'art'. Their output was amazing, and perhaps could have been completely mechanized, but the company wanted those little human errors made by the painters during the process, to give it a more human feeling while mass producing. I think certain AI programs will turn out that way.
I was at a McDonald's drivethrough a couple of days ago and I'm certain a robot took the order. It spoke like Alexa and Siri, and things I ordered would display on the screen almost right after I said them. The only flaw was the machine could not understand "fish sandwich". You have to say "filet-o-fish". Aside from that, it was less stressful than talking to their human employees.
Yeah, every generation has it's share of people who welcome each and every new technology and ignore the negative aspects for society, humankind and, sometimes, the whole planet. Like plastic... omg, how could we ever live without it... took a while to notice the shipload of problems this material produces in the end, but hey, that's the march of technology - some things are bound to get trampled by it.
And yes, I've come quite a bit like my grandparents. And I have to admit, that I'm glad about it. Most people become like their grandparents later in their lives, when they notice that not everything "old" isn't automatically bad, and not everything "new" is automatically good.
And there's quite a few possible futures that I am glad to not to be a part of. For these, I dearly hope that "possible" does not automatically means "unavoidable" for some of them.
Probably those persons, who have some creativity in their genes? Without the spark needed to start the flame called art, nothing given to someone will kindle the flame, no matter how much money they invest or how many technical help they get...
I'm not an artist... I only do pictures and stories.
zombies have clogged arteries then?
AI art is as well artistic as fractals. It's a computer that produces these pictures, but is a human who chooses which picture realla appeals and has some meaning.