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"Even non-Season Pass holders can join the contest, but Season Pass holders get early access to each contest!"
Pay. to. win.
thats the term for that in the Gaming World... buy this weapon/tank/char and get an advantage on those that don't pay!
Daz been bought by EA then?
What's even the difference between a $45 "core" or "base" figure and a $20 PA character these days, aside from $25 price hike for an official Daz endorsement? In the old-old days, all characters were built off the small number of base characters so they were essential. In the less old days, they became characters that lots of other characters were built off of, not necessarily essential but nice to have with good quality textures and shaping. Now, they're pumping out new characters faster than they can QA and it doesn't seem like many other characters use them as a base (probably why they've been renamed "core" figures).
Can't imagine wanting to collect them all sight unseen, but at the very least, I'd wait until a better sale than the season pass. Something like Victoria/Michael has brand recognition at least but the rest of the traditional base figures (Aiko, Hiro, Gia, Monique) seem to have been skipped for things like Cleopatra.
You're not old. I mean, maybe you are, but that's not why you're confused why anyone would want the $100+ Shudu sprites. They unstickied the NFT thread presumably because no one wants or likes the NFTs. Most of the NFT sales, and only a couple have sold, seem to be going to one buyer. From what Diigitals has said, it looks like they got into NFTs for the hype and didn't bother doing research first. The only artists who seem to defend them are a small number of established, already highly successful professionals (but none here, even Shudu's creator seems to regret not doing research first), and for buyers it seems to just be wealthy tech enthusiasts, the kind who get enthusiastic about new tech for the sake of being shiny new tech, and even then largely just wealthy folk interested in speculative trading through the block chain.
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Brooke 8.1 in the Season Pass — does this hint at the return of Liquid Rust???
Remember Brooke 2.0 for Victoria 4?
https://www.daz3d.com/brooke-2-0
I would never buy any characters sight-unseen, especially not knowing whether or not they're even male or female. My luck they'd all be female and I don't need any more of those. Plus, too much money up front. I'd take my chances with the day of release like I always have (if the NFT stuff comes off).
I've got 4.15. All I need now is the hardware to make it work.
I think it’s the fact that Daz is spending time on new marketing ploys rather than fixing existing issues. If they fixed all the existing problems FIRST, then came up with this, I’m sure there would be a lot less discontent.
If a character appeals to me, then I'll probably buy it. However, I've been buying noticably less new core characters the past half year, since they simply didn't appeal to me. Some pro-bundles and new-style bundles I bought more for the extras (hairs, outfits, environments) than for their core characters. But even then, I have also been cherrypicking and just buying the 1 or 2 things I liked (or just none at all) and skipping the bundle entirely.
Where I used to get about 4 out of 5 core characters in their pro-bundle, I'm now closer to 2 out of 5, and not always bundled, with a vague intent to pick up the other 3 out of 5 if they come with a very steep discount (though there are more now for which I have absolutely no interest whatsoever, so I probably wouldn't get them unless they were free).
So, overall, with an interest in maybe 2 out of 5 core characters these days, this season pass is not really for me. In the days of Genesis 3, I probably would've bought it without blinking, and have faith that any discount on a pro-bundle would more than make up for it, to a degree that I'd still expect to break even if I bought only 4 out of the 5 involved pro-bundles. These days, I'm not really convinced that I'd break even on the purchase of all 5 involved (no longer pro-) bundles, and I already have interest in only 2 out of 5 of the core characters..
Will be great hearing form season-passers through the grapevine about imminent releases though, so I can prepare a few days in advance when Cat 8 or Lilith 8.1 come up, and reserve funds.
Or more of those damned centaurs...
I'm sort of tempted, but I dunno. I've got FOMO I think.
For me my opinion is:
Putting flair ( Gold -Silver - platinum ) under my name is the kind of laughter on the chins Where do I spend this feature? It's useless .
I don't pay until I see the character accurately and I don't care if I got it Get an early release.
I don't care about discounts or free items - tutorial and contest .
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It is basically a gimmick, look at the last 5 characters released, would you pay that amount for them? I seriously doubt they are going to make it a grandious character which is not just slightly altered from the G8 mesh. Look at the last 2 free products released for PC if you have it. Would you pay that for them? It sounds like there is some big thing, but that is the catch. To make you think it is bigger than it is going to be. IS there any value in having an art contest that doesn't include the mass customer base? Any value of live tutorials, when at somepoint in the distant future it may be covered on a different platform. This appeals to the customer that wants it all now, and will put out cash blindly.
With so many ways to export their Daz3D Assets to different programs, I don't see the Daz Stuido program itself lasting much longer, they make no $ off of Stuido by itself, and they don't seem to be spending much time or $ on its support.
Gen 8 and now 8.1 has brought the program to its knees with 3-5 minute loading times and every Gen 8/8.1 character we buy just slows the program that much more.
I think that is why they have started focusing on the exporting what they actually sell and make $ from, the 3D Assets.
OH, and i totally expect Brooke 8.1 to be a updated remake of FWA Brooke 7 (Brooke 7 with just 8.1 textures) but thats just my guess
There will be only one day of advanced notice from Season Pass holders...
I've been thinking the very same thing....for MONTHS. Not liking it either. Even if it's not the case, I'm seeing some rather dumb decisions being made lately.
Until now, I never realized that DAZ assets were in a sense "collectible." I just assumed people purchased the assets they needed or desired, based on commissions or their own artistic interests. Purchasing every base character is essentially "collecting." DAZ says they are expliciting appealling to that part of the customer base with Season Pass. DAZ has made that clear, as have many of these collection-driven customers who have posted here.
I guess I've just viewed these assets as artistic tools and nothing more. Never realized they were in a sense, virtual action figures.
Live and learn.
Then we will see daz + blender = dazlender 1.0
I think people are mostly concerned about what it says about the direction Daz is going in the future, especially since it comes right after the NFT debacle, a rise in basic QA issues, and Platinum Club already exists so another premium-type subscription is redundant and the whole thing feels like a cash grab. Anyone who holds out will eventually get far better deals on the characters anyway.
Would've made more sense to run PC special where new characters have the discount with free HD added on (one day early access is a bit of a joke), and give PC the the flair, two free mystery items that may or may not be low value throw away items (hard to tell whether they'll be any good when we know nothing), and I guess the special contest and tutorial for those who care. No guarantee PC customers would buy all five, but if they wanted to appeal to collectors, well the collectors would, right? Might even have brought in new PC members. Plus I just don't see why "core" figures are supposed to be $45 worth of special these days. It's nothing personal against Season Pass adopters.
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When the Season Pass was announced and some of the responses here clarified some details about what it was, I did my own analysis of my purchasing habits to see if they matched what the Season Pass offers.
1) I don't buy every character that comes out. That's a full stop on getting the Season Pass right there for me. No need to continue, but let's keep going for analysis.
2) Forum Flair. I'm not a stand out in the crowd kind of guy, but do sometimes appreciate the little awards in forums. Count me in as agnostic about this one.
3) Render Contest perks. I'd rather view the entries into the contests than participate in them. I'm a bystander, so no first-order value. However, if it contributes to others showing off their work and new characters, then I see my second-hand benefit, even without buying Season Pass.
4) The Freebies. I already get freebies via the Platinum Club and also enjoy the lower prices. Big Platinum Club fan here, so I think I'm good on this.
Would I discourage someone else from buying the Season Pass? Nope. As reported by the moderators/DAZ staff, DAZ has looked at customer purchasing habits. They've determined that there are significant enough numbers of customers who might enjoy the Season Pass. I say let DAZ tailor sales to certain buyers. If this means the Season Pass isn't for you, then the next one might be. There's always the Platinum Club which isn't going away (right?). And the usual generous sales that DAZ puts on with regularity.
In short, I see the Season Pass as serving those "Power" customers who are delighted to buy every character that comes out (and use them) and offer that ability in a pre-paid package with some nice perks thrown in for good measure.
If DAZ adjusts the idea of the Season Pass to accomodate the feedback from the customer base, we might get something that works for another segment (or more customers.)
I hope DAZ is successful with this promotion and that success will help bolster them to continue creating content, software, and services well into the future.
Lee
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Not by EA. But they got a grant from Epic. And this company is notorious for Loot boxes and other hoaxes.
I don't know to what extent that's true. Lots of people in 3D seem to know about it, at least from my perspective as a Blender user (might be largely unheard of in Maya communities!), and to me it seems it's only recently started to get some respect as more people have come to respect it's valid not to do every aspect of the character creation (and then environment creation!) workflow from scratch yourself and instead use some pre-made assets as at least a starting point for composing, lighting, and rendering a scene (which are separate speciality jobs in some some studios), though people still rag on it a bit. Diigitals mostly made vague references to learning 3D modeling to explain Shudu and the other "virtual models" creation before his partnership with Daz, presumably because he wanted more respect than he'd get if he named his "modeling" program.
Watching/reading character modeling tutorials for Blender has led to quite a few ads for Daz Studio too, and mentions of Daz in comments or videos, so they're marketing the product and reaching an audience.
a grant is not buying ownership...
with that logic, Epic Bought Blender... which they did'nt, did they?
I don’t think they are that exportable. I was talking to someone last night who was trying to use a Daz character in Unreal and said it had to be completely re-rigged. I don’t know that much about it, but that’s what they said. They said animating Daz clothes was hard too but they weren’t too up to date because they hadn’t heard of dforce and were using older conforming clothes and probably didn’t really know what they were doing. I still think if they spent more time getting DS to work better and having an advanced manual, it would be adopted by more people and more assets would be purchased. Many people in the 3D space have never heard of Daz at all in any capacity. Maybe in the future they could even charge professional studios (NOT individuals!) But I don’t think Daz has figured out what they are yet. It’s like they’re throwing spaghetti up against the wall to see what sticks.
I can't say anything about UnReal, but the Blender export is awesome and it's getting better with every update. And not just the Daz to Blender Bridge, but Diffeomorphic is fantastic as well. I can render shots for my animations in Iray and Cycles and it's to a point where when cut together, you really wouldn't know which shot came from which. The line is blurring. And as far as cloth sim, in Blender, I can get anything from Daz to simulate, including hair. It's not that difficult at all. But again, I don't know how UnReal works, so that might be an issue. And quite honestly, the new 8.1 PBR skin looks so fantastic in Blender when ported over. I can't tell the difference in Daz really between the two, but it's noticable in Blender and I prefer it actually. There's ways to export animation from Blender to UnReal that should be super simple from the tutorials I watched online about it a few months ago, have your friend maybe look into trying Blender and putting that into UnReal to render. I know it's an extra step, but sometimes that extra step takes way less time than trying to get something to work otherwise.
Would I prefer them putting effort into getting an actual rig that doesn't move when you don't want it to instead of sales gimmicks? Absolutely. It's rough when I have sixteen keyframes and not once did I move the feet and yet they're dancing all over the place even with the proper IK chain set up. But with the ability to export Daz stuff to programs with rigs that work, I'm a little more forgiving in that respect.
I'm still on the fence though with the season pass. I probably would pick up all the characters anyways so I'd be spending it anyways, but it's a lot of scratch up front and I'm pretty budgeted month by month right now. We'll see. I do wish we could opt out of the flair thing, I really don't want to advertise what I buy like that.
DAZ has stated that this is not aimed at everyone.
I buy mostly male characters and I don't think it is unwarranted to think that at least 3 if not all 5 characters will be female. I'm guessing it will be a 4 to 1 ratio so they can say "see, we don't hate male characters". So with a choice between spending 150 dollars for a character and HD that I want (and 4 I don't) or 40-50 dollars for a character and HD I want the choice is obvious. Besides, I can probably wait for 6 months or so and get a big discount in one of the big sales. That's where I get most of my female characters.
The 2 mystery items are not likely to be garbage but not likely worth 150 dollars either.
I have zero interest in the forum flare but I do understand that "flexing" is a big thing with some people. BTW, does that badge go away after the season ends?
Tutorials might be nice but not worth 150 dollars.
Special contests: I'm not going to be winning any contests, so again, not worth the money.
All in all, I can see being disappointed but I don't really get some of the hostility here. I don't take it as a personal slam that they are offering this. I am not missing out on anything by not buying the season pass.
It could be that my hardware is sufficient enough, but I really do not want to test it out, only to realize that all I got is a constantly crashing system with disappearing icons and other hick-ups.
Technically, there is no reason to upgrade from 4.14 to 4.15 aside from the wish to use the new generation models.
But in my view, the new Genesis 8.1 base characters are too overpriced, while in addition, the bundles, especially the Victoria 8.1, Michael 8.1, and August 8.1 bundles, lack severely in quality.
I am still learning, as I have only begun with 3D arts a bit over two years ago, and thus I am hardly knowledgeable about all the quirks of working with Genesis 8 and DAZ Studio itself.
Working with Genesis 8.1 affords apparently a totally different workflow, which is even confusing artists much more professional than me, while at the same time, most expressions and a lot of poses from the Genesis 8 generation are not working correctly on Genesis 8.1 characters due to changes done.
It might be dubbed Genesi 8.1, while in reality, it is rather Genesis 9.0 Alpha because of all the incompatibility with Genesis 8 assets.
If DAZ Productions, Inc. would have really wanted me to jump on that new generation adventure, they should not have increased the prices while at the same time reducing content, quality, and buying enticements.
That's the long explanation why the season pass is a clear pass for me, as I am not using Generation 8.1, and I do not see myself using it. I better stay with Genesis 8 until Genesis 9.0 RC appears on the scene.
Community Supported Agriculture.
there are actually 2 types
the more common type 1: pay a farmer and then go pick up a box of whatever veg they decide give you once a week
the other type: give a farmer $500 have 550 credit you can use to purchace whatever you feel like
this lines up pretty well with this new season pass and gift cards funnily enough
(despite type 1 being more common for whatever reason right in my area there are a bunch of the second type, I have credit at 3 different local farms, but where I previously lived I subscribed to the box type)
I am a big fan boxes of loot provided that the loot is edible.