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...well they should still keep development of the Daz programme going. Can't afford any of the pro stuff, not very fond of subscription software, and Poser's UI is still clunky.
One of the things that helped get me into this was that the core Daz programme was free, fairly intuitive, and did what I needed the software to do.
For the people who collect characters, it’s great they get a deal (if they consider it a deal.) What bothers me is being left out of the contests and tutorials just because I don’t care about core characters,
For me, The best way to think of it is as a gamble. If Daz delivers, then I'd buy next season's pass, if not, that's all right but I wouldn't buy any more passes. Not everybody likes to gamble, that's all right, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose ;)
I would never, ever in a million years subscribe to a SILLY Season Pass!
Unless…there was forum flair involved.
I feel like we should at least be able to get an idea of what the Free items are and at least what one of the bundles are. Like give us a sample of what we're going to get at least!! Would it kill them to give us a peek to know what's coming? And if the pass lasts two months, then all 5 get released in those 2 months??
And I've seen others with the pass wondering when the first character goes live?
I do feel like we should have dates of when they release. My guess is that we won't have the first character coming out until after the platinum early bird special ends. You are going on faith. I'm still going to sit on it, but the HD addons are really appealing for my work.
One of the moderators talked about the idea of this being credits to use on whatever characters you want and that would be better for sure. Or for this to be about the pro bundles OR at least a character bundle that comes with an outfit and hair. A lot of the pro bundles have stuff I won't use and those get a pass from me. But having at least each character come with a base outfit and hair would be awesome.
I've seen the last 5 releases and honestly loved most of them. So as long as these aren't weird cat people, orcs or something I'd be happy probably. But that's it the "probably".
I really wish they'd allow you to pick one character at least. If I could get Torment or August, something I know I want and then gamble on the rest I'd have bought already.
The ONLY time I've bought a pass without knowing what DLC I'd get is Crusader Kings 3. Every other time? Even with games I think I would like, I don't buy them... and I can't think of any case where I regretted waiting. I can't think of any time a game has lived up to its hype, especially in selling DLC/passes.
It's pretty much a BAD practice amongst game devs.
Why emulate it here? It's not a valid excuse that other companies do bad things with season passes. It's not making Daz better... it's making Daz more like one of those horrible video game companies.
Nobody likes this gamesmanship by the likes of mega-companies, even when the DLC turns out okay... EVERY TIME it gets criticized, and Daz won't escape criticism here, either.
A lot of us are long-time Daz customers as well as long-time video game customers. I gladly threw down full price on the fancy pack for Crusader Kings 3... but at least with CK3, I knew what I was getting into. They provided game clips, screenshots, etc.
I get nothing here. No real information. It's still BAU, don't tell the customer anything about your upcoming releases. People have to dig through data just to see a NAME of a POSSIBLE upcoming character.
Like... what's so hard about giving us names and marketing descriptions? Is that so hard? If you're going to change business practices with season passes, WHY NOT CHANGE and give us information about upcoming character releases? It's not like they don't know. They're commissioning work from artists to get the releases done.
The lack of information on this is terrible, and I LIKE collecting base figures.
In the end, I may still get this thing. I just think it's a shoddy practice (replacing "shoddy" with a 4-letter word).
Uhhhhhhh..... Nah Nah Nah..... You divided the community.... You should live with the consequences of your choices.
I mean how can we know how popular it is if we aint seeing all the closet ballers roaming around?
Yeah they'll do that ... and 2 weeks after that, they'll release the next version of DAZ not using QT which will render it completely obsolete and useless.
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I can already see the lack of interest in this early access, pre-release, loot box, gamble. I wouldv'e seen it before they announced it.
Wise man once said ... Rarely would you wanna pay more than 30% of MSRP at DAZ. Unless you got alot of money or no time.
As to the flair, what is this, Chotchkie's?
I bring my own flames to forums thank you very much.
@Daz_Jessica today is another example of this. I own 25% of the products in the Gargoyle bundle. Summing up the prices, that's the most expensive one of all the items in the bundle: takes up 44% of the bundle price. Aaaaaaaand I got a 15% discount for already owning it. I really hope the Season Pass discounts will be a lot better than this.
that's exactly the eason why I didn't bought the gargoyle bundle today and why I don't get the session pass.
I think the target group of the session pass are not bundle buyers.
OPINION: Some people, like me, are buying the Core Figures sans their bundles because the bundles are consistently low quality, too expensive, redundant, stuffed with old items we already own. Buying the Season Pass is really a bet that the bundles are going to stay that way (which is a very safe bet viewing recent Daz history). Indeed, a less than 25% discount on the bundles for Season Pass holders will be further confirmation TO ME that bundles are dead and worthless.
In light of this, it seems that I can expect more of the same from the bundles and their discounts. But I remain persistently hopeful.
This marketing approach by Daz should be listed as an example of what not to do.
I think it should have been a $150.00 pass for forum flair + special hidden bonuses - and leave it at that. I do not mind spending the coin if they use the money (fingers crossed) to further develop the product in other ways, such as enhancements to the animation rigging, IRAY optimizations, better wardrobes, etc. Once you start to quantify things the way they this did with this Season Pass, people start to get expectations. Obviously, the users here are looking for true added value for them as buyers.
Daz Creators are not Gamers. They are dreamers, artists, and storytellers. Given the client base, it warrants a completely different approach in terms of marketing strategies. No fee for the consultation..
Yeah, yesterday with the cyberpunk bundle, that was the first one since the Kayo 8 pro bundle that I wanted but with less than six bucks off since I owned Juan made me not pick it up and just wishlist the items for later.
I'm leaning towards getting the pass because I'd more than likely get the characters anyway, but if I see that the discount on the bundles is only a few bucks off and they're awesome bundles, I'll be very disappointed. But I'm leaning still towards believing that it'll all be worth my while.
You want to pay $150 for a little forum icon and some unknown extras? That sounds so much worse than what they're providing. At least customers have a fairly good idea of what they're receiving, if not exactly which specific base characters. Your suggestion is a very expensive blind loot box and an icon. There's much better ways to support Daz, like simply buying their products.
Totally agree. More Stonemasons, Strangefates/Rogueys, Lindays, Hoffmeyers. There are a few others that are instant buys but only a handful consistently produce both beauty and quality worth the introductory price. Artstation appears to be teeming with talented 3D artists looking for work.
Actually the meager discounts are currently preventing me from buying anything on release day:
- $6 off for owning the base figure from the Dystopian Rider Bundle?
- $4 off for owning the mansion from the Gargoyle Guardian Bundle?
If this is a preview of what benefits the season pass might hold for bundle buyers I probably pass. Guess I could really do some months with very limited purchasing to see how things are developing. Might be occupied for months just trying out a fraction of the stuff I already own.
That Gargoyle bundle discount is kind of a slap in the face. That mansion wasn't cheap.
All DAZ discounts for the past few months are slaps in the face. Especially on bundles with content that so-called loyal (aka losing-out) customers already have.
As a purchaser of the Season Pass, I'm actively betting that the bundles will be of their customary low quality and that the discount for owning the main figure will be a paltry amount. But if even one of the next five are half-toons like Michael 8.1, Cleopatra 8.1, & August 8.1, I will lose the bet even if I win regarding the bundles.
Im curios about the 2 free items, I think it would be awesome if they could let us choose what to get for the 2 items instead?
I didn't own the mansion which made the bundle a great deal considering I had the $20 coupon. I found it extremely humorous that as soon as I bought it I got the banner ad telling me I could get 15% off it for owning the mansion.
I honestly think they calculate the discount based, not on what the already owned item costs, but on "how can we make this just a tiny bit less than buying the remaining pieces separately?"
I'm sure they're counting on people not looking at what proportion of the bundle price should be taken up by the already owned item.
Scene - A conversation over an evening meal.
My Bride: "Okay, but why are people being so weird about the flair thing? Like, wanting to turn it off or keep it hidden?"
Me: "Remember seeing people using Google Glass?"
My Bride: "Oh."
Me: "Right."
I'm lost in the marketing words. Could someone please explain what this "Season Pass" is, in words that convey significant meaning without requiring interpretive translation?
You give Daz money. They'll give you stuff worth about that much money, maybe a little more, later for free!
PS: There's no peeking!
So, how will we know that the base character / Core Figure (make up your mind; pick one or the other) has been added to our Product Library? And what happens when (almost inevitably) Daz neglects to load someone's library with the base character for which they bought a season pass?