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  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615
    Stezza said:

    you must of missed my reply back on page 1

    better get to specsavers cool

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/861603/#Comment_861603

    No, I saw it fine, and my glasses are working okay. Thanks.

    But I was hoping for others to chime in with their experiences. One thing I've learned with computers is that one works for some is hopelessly broken for others.

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615
    edited July 2015

    And I think it was you Stezza who said you did a clean install and re-installed all your apps? Is that true? That's kind of a nightmare scenario to me. I can't imagine re-installing everything

    Is that really necessary? Anyone just installed Windows 10 and moved on?

    Thanks

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,079
    edited July 2015

    all my software/content Joe is on a second & third drive.. so after installing windows on the main SSD it's just a matter of about 10 minutes to get everything else up to speed..

     

    Windows 10 took about 30 minutes to install on my system, that's including downloading the 3GB file, so within an hour or so we are back to what we were prior to updating... too easy yes

    the important thing to remember is to backup the DiM manifest files which reside in the Public Documents of your OS.. if you don't then it can be tortuous! ( if you use DiM )

    if you don't want to do a clean install you don't have to.. no probs at all with the update over windows 8, you don't lose your files or preferences ect.. all good

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  • evilproducerevilproducer Posts: 9,050
    edited July 2015
    Stezza said:

    all my software/content Joe is on a second & third drive.. so after installing windows on the main SSD it's just a matter of about 10 minutes to get everything else up to speed..

     

    Windows 10 took about 30 minutes to install on my system, that's including downloading the 3GB file, so within an hour or so we are back to what we were prior to updating... too easy yes

    the important thing to remember is to backup the DiM manifest files which reside in the Public Documents of your OS.. if you don't then it can be tortuous! ( if you use DiM )

    if you don't want to do a clean install you don't have to.. no probs at all with the update over windows 8

    There's also lots of other info stored on the main OS drive. If you did a clean install, you didn't need to reconfigure your internet stuff, or re-enter a crapload of serial numbers for other, non-DAZ software?

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  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615

    Is DiM the thing that DAZ uses for content that I think I tried once and then realized it only works with new content and since I haven't bought new content in years it was pretty worthless so I stopped using it and probably never will? smiley

    Or is it another DiM?

    Thanks.

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,079

    if you do install over 8 or 8.1 you may want to do a system disk cleanup to reclaim a lot of hard drive space from your previous windows ( called windows.old ) especially if you have a smaller SSD like I have.

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615
    edited July 2015

    Right now I think my plan will be something like this:

    1. Spend a couple hours downloading Windows 10 when it comes out in a few days or whenever (my connection is limited to 5Mbps)
    2. Install it with my fingers crossed, and hope that Microsoft has made it a clean and easy install process, and it takes care of cleaning up all the old stuff and making sure there will be no errors that mess everything up (unlike I usually get in big installs like this, over many, many years of using computers.)
    3. Visit a psychiatrist to find out why I never learn my lesssons and I'm even considering being an early adopter of a new OS, especially Windows. And worse, why I'm expecting it will go without a hitch.
    4. Take appropriate medicine as directed and hope I get better
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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,079

    If you reserved it should download in the background on or sometime after the 29th then you will get the message it's ready to roll....

    I've never had a bad windows upgrade or install in 25 years .. but then again I like to have a PC which has all parts talking to each other in a correct manner.. bits and pieces machines with cheap or 2nd hand parts usually cause all the troubles..

     

    Good luck when it all happens for you .. fingers crossed yes

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615

    I was just reading a bit online at some sites discussing the Windows 10, and they recommend waiting a week or so until the servers calm down and the early bugs are worked out. And theoretically you shouldnt have to reinstall stuff, but just in case you should prepare by gathering serial numbers and backing up all your stuff. Pretty standard stuff you always here when stuff like this rolls around. One big nightmare, IMO. 

    I don't know. I'm really not looking forward to this. Maybe I'll just wait until next year, just before time runs out and they make it a paid upgrade.

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,079

    since it's release to the insiders about 5 days ago there has been 2 updates already....

    The only thing that hasn't worked for me is Poser 7..  no big loss..

    No probs at all with Carrara 864bit or 8.5 64bit.

     

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615
    Stezza said:

    I've never had a bad windows upgrade or install in 25 years .. but then again I like to have a PC which has all parts talking to each other in a correct manner.. bits and pieces machines with cheap or 2nd hand parts usually cause all the troubles..

    My jaw dropped when I read that. My hat is off to you. Not one problem in 25 years???  I've been working with computers since the 80's, and consider myself reasonably competent as users go. Most recently I recall being maybe an hour or two into an upgrade and I got an error from the installer, which I had no clue what it meant. 

    So I started the whole thing all over again, and next time it worked. Go figure. And it was a reasonably new laptop, which generally implies everything is working pretty well together and no new/cheap/2nd hand parts.

    Based on many years of Windows use and configuration, I generally expect maybe a 90% chance I'll run into some problems.

    I'd love to know your secret.. smiley

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,079

    being Australian yes

     

    no worries mate

  • evilproducerevilproducer Posts: 9,050
    Stezza said:

    being Australian yes

     

    no worries mate

    More like being lucky! ;-P
  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 9,989
    edited July 2015

    Being Australian is being lucky by definition. Like, look and me and Stezza and Wonga and Wendy! I'm surprised you have to ask...... Hold on, did you ask? Ah see, you know you don't have to ask , so you didn't. ;) 

     

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,079
    Based on many years of Windows use and configuration, I generally expect maybe a 90% chance I'll run into some problems.

    I'd love to know your secret.. smiley

    There in lies the difference I expect a 99% chance of success
    yes

  • MythmakerMythmaker Posts: 606
    edited July 2015
    Stezza said:
    There in lies the difference I expect a 99% chance of success 

    The same reason why I expect a 99% chance of a solid, updated, current-gen-UI Carrara 9. Soon too. 

    But hey why not just skip 9 and go straight to Carrara 10! Complete with smooth Windows 10 integration + touch-friendly interface preset option. lol.

    Anywayz, I have Win7/64b desktop and a Win8.1/64b Wacom Cintiq. Hate Win8 so I too look forward to Win10. Never been so excited about an upgrade and so tempted to be an early adopter - oh the cross-platform allure of OneNote. 

    Good to hear that Carrara 8.5 64b working well so far with Win10. Thanks for the info!

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  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615
    edited July 2015

    By the way, does anyone know if Windows 10 has done anything to improve the "Windows Update" process? Y'know, the regular updating of windows stuff like Maliciious Software Tool and Definition Updates and Security Updates, etc.

    Seems like I can pretty much expect that maybe 50% of the time Windows Update will have a problem. Like if I do a manual update it will sit there for 10 minutes, say it's "downloading updates", but no internet activity whatsoever. But at the same time I can access the internet with other stuff, just not windows updates.

    So I keep cancelling and re-trying. And then it will get done with the updates, and I re-check, and it says "updates available". HUH? I just got finished updating !!! And very often I'll look at the history and it will say "update failed" for various elements of the update.

    Just one of those Windows things that has never made sense to me, and has been a problem forever. And instead they work on a new "ecosystem". Geez.

    And recently, after getting re-frustrated with my updates, I stumbled on a video showing how to resolve many of those issues by clearing the windows update cache. And it was a 10 minute video describing how you use the CMD line to stop some services and clear the cache by going into these system folders I've never heard of.

    Command line stuff to fix an issue that users don't care about and is solely a Windows shortcoming? I hope the new ecosystem fixes dumb stuff like this.

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  • I have installed the new Windows 10 and it is fantastic!!! Carrara works just fine.

  • ToyenToyen Posts: 1,888

    Glad to hear that!

    More inf oby anybody would be welcome! Especially regarding DS.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    There is a DS thread  in the Commons, with a warning about GPU drivers appended just a while ago   http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/872507/#Comment_872507

  • SockrateaseSockratease Posts: 813

    By the way, does anyone know if Windows 10 has done anything to improve the "Windows Update" process? Y'know, the regular updating of windows stuff like Maliciious Software Tool and Definition Updates and Security Updates, etc.

    Seems like I can pretty much expect that maybe 50% of the time Windows Update will have a problem. Like if I do a manual update it will sit there for 10 minutes, say it's "downloading updates", but no internet activity whatsoever. But at the same time I can access the internet with other stuff, just not windows updates.

    So I keep cancelling and re-trying. And then it will get done with the updates, and I re-check, and it says "updates available". HUH? I just got finished updating !!! And very often I'll look at the history and it will say "update failed" for various elements of the update.

    Just one of those Windows things that has never made sense to me, and has been a problem forever. And instead they work on a new "ecosystem". Geez.

    And recently, after getting re-frustrated with my updates, I stumbled on a video showing how to resolve many of those issues by clearing the windows update cache. And it was a 10 minute video describing how you use the CMD line to stop some services and clear the cache by going into these system folders I've never heard of.

    Command line stuff to fix an issue that users don't care about and is solely a Windows shortcoming? I hope the new ecosystem fixes dumb stuff like this.

     

    I avoid all that by simply never updating windows!

     

    Turn off updates and just use a good AV program, Firewall, and a few specialty tools like Malwarebytes, Spybot Search And Destroy, and a few others as needed.

     

    Part of my online work is helping fight piracy. 

     

    For porn sites.

     

    That takes me to some of the most Horribly Infected corners of the World Wide Web, and I have never had a problem  (mods may have noticed my IP can appear from all over the world thanks to a VPN program that helps me visit such site with anonymity).

     

    But the point is that windows updates are vastly overrated and very rarely needed.  Windows 10 is something I will never use because it is a subscription based OS - the silliest idea I have ever heard for an operating system!!  I refuse to pay for my operating system more than once.  That, plus it will remove the option of blocking updates. 

     

    Not only that, but I keep old computers.  I have models dating back to the 1980's and all work just fine to this day.  Windows 10 would make paperweights out of them once the subscription runs out.

     

    So I will either go bac-to-mack or learn Linux when this system has to be replaced - but I expect to get 5 to 10 years out of the computer I'm on now with zero updates to anything except my own personal protection software.  An operating system should never need to be updated anyhow since it tends to break older software.  Remember mac's OSX 10.6?  It broke many of my programs that ran perfectly on 10.5, violating the 10 year backward compatibility rule all operating systems are required to maintain by Decree Of The Millennium Cow!

     

    Hey, I had to find a way to mention The Millennium Cow in there somehow...

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,584

    I only came back to Mac with Snow Leopard (10.6), and the old Mac stuff I had was all PowerPC, so I never really expected it to work. So far I haven't had any issues with new Mac OSs (there was the Render node issue with Mavericks, but that didn't affect me with just the one computer! I believe it's fixed in Yosemite?)

     

    I have heard the beta of El Capitan has issues with the writing software I use, so I'm kinda glad I don't have it installed!

    (BTW, rumour has it that when Apple runs out of California landmarks, their next OS series will be breeds of bovines . . .)

  • SockrateaseSockratease Posts: 813
    edited July 2015
    Tim_A said:

    I only came back to Mac with Snow Leopard (10.6), and the old Mac stuff I had was all PowerPC, so I never really expected it to work. So far I haven't had any issues with new Mac OSs (there was the Render node issue with Mavericks, but that didn't affect me with just the one computer! I believe it's fixed in Yosemite?)

     

    I have heard the beta of El Capitan has issues with the writing software I use, so I'm kinda glad I don't have it installed!

    (BTW, rumour has it that when Apple runs out of California landmarks, their next OS series will be breeds of bovines . . .)

     

    Yup, Bovine OS names would influence my decision!

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  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615

    It's kind of funny when the highest praise you can give an upgraded product is: "it's awesome cuz it operates like an older version" and "it doesn't screw up my existing stuff"  smiley

    Also I read a quote online from someone who said "Microsoft has a difficult job...always trying to upgrade the flashlight"   smiley

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,584

    New versions of an OS are always a tough sell, cos fundamentally nobody needs them. Same as new versions of things like Office. Your word processor already does everything you'll ever need it to. So what you're buying is "compatible with the new OS that you didn't need either", a new tool bar/ menu system so you can't find your most frequently used functions any more, and a couple of obscure commands that you'll instantly forget and never use.

    Yes, I am the marketing department's dream customer - not! :)

  • SockrateaseSockratease Posts: 813
    edited July 2015

    It's kind of funny when the highest praise you can give an upgraded product is: "it's awesome cuz it operates like an older version" and "it doesn't screw up my existing stuff"  smiley

    Also I read a quote online from someone who said "Microsoft has a difficult job...always trying to upgrade the flashlight"   smiley

     

     

    Actually, the Highest Praise would be "And they named it 'Holstein' just for me!"

     

    But if you don't value stability and durability, then to each their own.  I need things to work for extended periods of time and that is far more important than useless cosmetic features I will never use, or uniformity with smart phones (which I also shun).  To me.

     

    And it doesn't have to work just like the old stuff, but it does have to support old stuff!  The Millennium Cow said so, and that makes it The Gospliest rhing there is  cheeky

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  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615

    I have to laugh...

    I noticed that the Windows 10 upgrade hasn't yet happened on my machine even though today is the day that it's rolled out.

    So out of curiosity I checked my Windows Update history, and found an error message saying that the "Upgrade to Windows 10" failed today. smiley

    Geez, it didn't even start and already I have problems. Like I say, I pretty much assume stuff like this will happen with Windows.

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615

    And even more hilarious...

    I checked online and apparently a lot of people are getting the same error message.

    The fix?

    Go to the command line and type in some stuff. smiley

    Stezza !!! HELP !!! smiley

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615

    And my laptop is a Win 7 machine which is eligible, but never showed the Windows 10 upgrade notice. So now I have to figure out why....

    Like I say, I assume 90% of the time Windows will have problems. And 90% of the time it does.

  • JoeMamma2000JoeMamma2000 Posts: 2,615
    edited July 2015

    Wow. Turns out that the problem with my Win 7 machine not showing anything about a Windows 10 upgrade was super simple to fix:

    1. After searching around the net I found something that said I need to have Win 7 SP 1 installed. And I found out how to find if SP1 is installed, though it's not listed in my Windows update history. Anyway, I had SP1 already
    2. More searching found that I need Explorer 11 installed. Turns out it's already installed.
    3. More searching found that I need to make sure all Windows updates are installed...and they were
    4. And more searching found that I need to make sure automatic updates are ON. I turned them on and felt duly ashamed they weren't on already. But sometimes I have a slow internet connection, so I want to control updates. My apologies to Microsoft.
    5. Tried to use Windows Update to search for new updates. As it often does, it just sat there searching for updates for 15 minutes. So I stopped it.
    6. Found something on the Microsoft site that gave a command line command to find out if my Win 7 is licensed and stuff so it would be eligible. It was okay.
    7. Another site said I need to run Windows Troubleshooter, so I ran it. Turns out I need to install KB2952664. Even though the Windows updater showed all updates were installed
    8. Troubleshooter gave me a link to install KB2952664, but it didn't work, so I
    9. Searched on the web and found a way to download KB2952664. Downloaded and installed it.
    10. After installing KB2952664, still no Windows 10 update app. But suddenly my windows updater showed I needed more updates. So I tried to download and install the 8 updates
    11. Only 2 of the 8 updates installed, the rest failed.
    12. Re-tried installing updates. This time updates were successful. But still no Windows 10 upgrade app

    So even though I still haven't figured out why I don't even have the Windows 10 update app (which gives the option to upgrade to Windows 10), I've now learned that my computer is eligible and may or may not have all the pre-requisite updates installed. Even though Windows Update shows that all updates are installed.

    This is exactly why I cringe at the thought of "upgrading" anything to do with Windows. It's insane. Hours and hours of searching the internet for clues, running stuff that doesn't work, updating stuff that doesn't update, and in the end you're no closer to doing something that *should* be transparent to users.

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