Rendo migrations and the risk of duplicate purchases

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,059

    The smart thing would be to go to Rendo and have everyone download "ALL" their products so if they do go away which is very unlikely, they know they have it backed up. They once told me that they are only required to give you the ability to download it once. It is the user's responsibility to save and back it up. Wisley, it's always recommended to back up every purchase you make. External drives are very inexpensive and hold a lot of files. It takes quite some time to fill up even a 1 TB drive, but that depends if you're a power shopper.

  • ZippyGuitarZippyGuitar Posts: 845
    frank0314 said:

    The smart thing would be to go to Rendo and have everyone download "ALL" their products so if they do go away which is very unlikely, they know they have it backed up. They once told me that they are only required to give you the ability to download it once. It is the user's responsibility to save and back it up. Wisley, it's always recommended to back up every purchase you make. External drives are very inexpensive and hold a lot of files. It takes quite some time to fill up even a 1 TB drive, but that depends if you're a power shopper.

    Then, I guess I'm a power shopper. :-p Three external drives with a total of 6TB and a 2TB internal drive. To be fair, they store more than purchases. I save all my characters, scenes, locations, etc as scene subsets, plus my Photoshop files, my own Blender Wings 3D projects, etc. But the majority of the drive spaces are devoted to purchases. The only things I don't have saved are Daz purchases from the last 5 years which are ridiculously lengthy. I'd need a 4 or 6 TB just to store those.
  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,059

    I'm sure there are plenty of people here alone on Daz purchases that could fill 16TB drive(s)

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244

    Viola said:

    With all the migrations, and now staff changes at Rendo, I have no idea why people think their purchases there are "safe".

    Has anyone considered what happens to their purchases should Rendo die, esp. since it seems hellbent on killing itself?

    I suggest you all run over there and download your files for your own protection and safe-keeping.

    All that applies to Daz or any other store selling downloadable products, too.  Don't assume stores will exist "forever" or nor change their access policies.

  • ChoppskiChoppski Posts: 507

    Do we know if the new transfers will eventually have their entire stores come over? I am suprised by some being characterized as new given that they have been selling here and elsewhere for a while.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,058

    I see that devianttuna13 has joined here as well.

  • beregarberegar Posts: 269

    I wish Dzheng would join here, too. Would be more convenient for me.

  • DripDrip Posts: 1,192

    Choppski said:

    Do we know if the new transfers will eventually have their entire stores come over? I am suprised by some being characterized as new given that they have been selling here and elsewhere for a while.

    I certainly hope so! Several of them have awesome Genesis 3 products that I still have wishlisted over there, and Genesis 3 is still my favourite figure generation.

  • ChoppskiChoppski Posts: 507

    beregar said:

     

    meI wish Dzheng would join here, too. Would be more convenient for me.

    Me too. I have been waiting on pins and needles to see if s/he shows up here. Daz would be stupid not to make the offer. The products are awesome, but with so many for male figures . . .

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    I downloaded everything I had purchased from Hivewire just before they closed. And I am glad I did because not everything moved to Rendo. But last night I was installing one of Ken Galliland's Moths and realized I had an 'add-on' and made a note to check Rendo first thing this morning as I had bought some of his items there too. Lucky for me, I had bought the base in 2021 from Rendo, and I had just downloaded the zip files when the store went 'poof!'. I had a very frustrating time waiting to download the rest of that day's order so I could install it this morning.

  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,142
    edited April 21
    The list so far (from the Welcome Series Catch-up Sale page):

    Fabiana
    Wolfie
    Lilflame
    Anagord
    Valkyrie
    Sveva
    Lully
    Tempesta
    JaMaRe
    Powerage
    Color Galeria
    Chriscox
    Devianttuna13

    Already quite cumbersome for me personally, based on my Rendo library, and I'm wondering if we're in for another batch this week. I understand the artists' desire to expand their potential market, but I find the situation irksome enough that I've decided not to purchase any of their products for the present and immediate future (with the exception of some collabs like Slumber Fun).

    For a potential solution (of sorts) that wouldn't require any contractual negotiations between companies, perhaps Daz could add a "hide product" feature to the store and make it capable of reading a downloaded Rendo CSV file to auto-populate?
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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,336
    edited April 21

    PaMaWo arrived before the Welcome series began. Not too lazy to look - He arrived 2/19, no others at that time that I can see.

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,336

    I suppose we should qualify Arrival from Rendo as meaning vendor (usually already a Daz PA) brings over products from Rendo, mostly unmodified - PaMaWo modified his offerings for G9 and later arrivals mostly didn't, at least as far as I can tell. Also those New Arrivals still have active Rendo stores, not all products came over, and not sure why some products made the jump and others didn't.

    As it stands, there are now some Daz products that are add-ons for products that are sold only at Rendo. There are a few products that are currently for sale at both stores, too. I suppose it's just down to human error and the amount of stuff being moved around.

    I don't think Rendo is in any special danger of closing. Staff changes happen. Vendors move around. They seem to still have a lot of good and new vendors. Some weird stuff happened - Blackhearted disappeared. IDK. No inside track on them.

    I back up all my purchases on more than one drive. It's a very good idea! 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited April 22

    I've written a small (free) utility (Windows) that makes it easier to check for DAZ/Renderosity duplicates, if anyone care to give it a test run.  It uses an algorithm that translates the product names into store links, it basically seems to work OK with the new vendors but it needs some more testing. 

    Apparently DAZ doesn't seem to use a consistent algorithm to convert product names into store links, or they have changed the algorithm over the years (store links seem to be hardcoded, not dynamically generated, so if product name changes, it no longer matches the original algorithm that created the link). 

    It does look though as if they are using a specific algorithm for the new vendors so I'm trying to fine tune the one the program is using, to match it.  So if you try the program please report any products from these vendors (copy Product Name and DAZ URL in the program) where you can see that they fail. E.g. product shows in browser, but no "PURCHASED AT RENDEROSITY" warning.  Or you get the "Ooops" page despite you have purchased the product at Renderosity.

    When using Vendor Name search use lower case only and omit special characters, e.g, for "-Valkyrie-" just use "valkyrie", or for "~Wolfie~" use "wolfie", etc..  Empty Vendor Search field (with no spaces) will list all products. 

    Click on a product on the list, or use the up/down arrow keys to browse the list (Auto Check must be enabled here).  You can also (Auto Check must be disabled here) right click on product icons in the store, select "Copy Link", and then double-click on the DAZ URL field to paste the link into the field. Then click the corresponding "Check" box, if you've already purchased the product at Renderosity it should now find it if it's currently on the list (use full list if you browse different vendors).    

    If you log in with the built-in browser you can also see if you accidently have purchased a product you've already purchased at Renderosity.  If may work faster though not being logged in, haven't really tested that. 

    Can be downloaded here: https://www.3dcontentmanagers.com/freeware/3d-related/chk-dup-daz-rr/

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  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,058

    doubledeviant said:

    The list so far (from the Welcome Series Catch-up Sale page):

    Fabiana
    Wolfie
    Lilflame
    Anagord
    Valkyrie
    Sveva
    Lully
    Tempesta
    JaMaRe
    Powerage
    Color Galeria
    Chriscox
    Devianttuna13

    Already quite cumbersome for me personally, based on my Rendo library, and I'm wondering if we're in for another batch this week. I understand the artists' desire to expand their potential market, but I find the situation irksome enough that I've decided not to purchase any of their products for the present and immediate future (with the exception of some collabs like Slumber Fun).

    For a potential solution (of sorts) that wouldn't require any contractual negotiations between companies, perhaps Daz could add a "hide product" feature to the store and make it capable of reading a downloaded Rendo CSV file to auto-populate?

    While Sabby has always been here, they have brought some of their Renderosity only products here as well. The new ones are tagged JASA or Jadyn - Sabby and there are quite a few of them.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited April 22

    Taoz said:

    I've written a small (free) utility (Windows) that makes it easier to check for DAZ/Renderosity duplicates, if anyone care to give it a test run.  It uses an algorithm that translates the product names into store links, it basically seems to work OK with the new vendors but it needs some more testing. 

    ....................

    Can be downloaded here: https://www.3dcontentmanagers.com/freeware/3d-related/chk-dup-daz-rr/

    If anyone should be using the first version, there is an update fixing some issues, however one of those issues is "Check for Updates on Program Start" not working if enabled, so in order to update you must use manual update check (Help > Check for Updates).

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  • Anxious3102Anxious3102 Posts: 65

    beregar said:

    I wish Dzheng would join here, too. Would be more convenient for me.

     

    Would love Dzheng and Truform to both migrate here

  • DarkRepast said:

    Good for the vendors for moving, but sad for those of us who didn't jump on Gen 9. 

    I have an obscene amount invested in Daz. I only started in 2016. But if all the best sellers are going to be focusing on 9...well, my bank account thanks them because this is where I get off the ride. I know some folks have been through a lot more transition than me, but I started with Gen 2, got a TON of Gen 3, and then Gen 8. And the start over always leaves massive gaps in the library. I still don't have several staples for Gen 8. Or at least, not quality versions. 

    Still, it's hard to find information about what Renderosity did to cause this exodus. Specifics, at least. It would be nice to find out if there were some kind of unethical practices or something. I'd rather not support that kind of behavior.

    With Daz sales you'll likely find Gen9 items cheaper in the future than at initial release. There's also an auto-clone product so you can use G9 things on your G8 figures.

    But I totally feel where you are at- I hopped on Daz during the V4/M4 generation and had invested heavily in those figures. Then the initial Genesis released and I was irritated, but kept with V4/M4 while I considered if I wanted to buy into Genesis or not... then G2 released and I threw my hands up and walked away for a good number of years. There's a gap in my purchase history from 2012 on to about 2017.

    My recommendation would be to keep using the figures you already have, focus on those and just pick up G9 items at a discount when you see a must-have. Don't start over, just ease into G9 gently and stay focused where you are. There are a few G3 figures that still look great next to a G8 and the G9 figures visually mesh with the G8's pretty well. I've got a few renders with all three generations visible and looking good together.

  • Hoping for Coflek-Gnorg, their "colony" series is awesome and the primary sci-fi base set I use. Hint hint at Daz, if you aren't already approaching them! :)

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,336

    Calling Vyktohria a "welcome" is a bit of a stretch. Vyktohria has been a very active PA here for a long time! Look at the header on her page. https://www.daz3d.com/vyktohria Daz doesn't do that for everyone! And of course, some of the products I would like to see here have simply not made the jump. So I'll still have to buy them at Rendo, if I finally decide to do that. And I'll also have to check to make sure I'm not double-buying anything. But she does fit the parameters of all "welcome" vendors. These have published or at least worked on Daz products, have Rendo stores, and have now brought products from their rendo stores to Daz. So, that's that.

  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,142
    No "Welcome Series" banner today... Are the migrations over?

    I hope so - it makes me think Rendo might have some chance of surviving after all. Several personal favorites - some of their best artists imo - seem to have been retained for the moment.
  • TophsTophs Posts: 8

    Apologies for necro-ing this thread, but this is just a quick heads-up that another item has been moved over from Renderosity.  I recognised Vyktoria's Bermuda (https://www.daz3d.com/vyk-bermuda-for-genesis-9), which is listed today as a new release, as previously being sold there.  However, unlike the majority of the items that were moved over last month, the description has been updated and formatted in the typical Daz style, and has a valid product Read Me file, so might also have been updated with Smart Content.

    (Also, my first post after lurking the forums for several months so, hello!)

  • jbowlerjbowler Posts: 794

    Tophs said:

     I recognised Vyktoria's Bermuda (https://www.daz3d.com/vyk-bermuda-for-genesis-9), which is listed today as a new release, as previously being sold there.

    Pretty much we are paying for the DIM support, i.e. the ".dsx" file in the InstallManger downloads directory.  It is pretty valuable; I use Content Wizard to make them for Rendero* released products which don't have them and it is really tedious.

     

  • VexillusVexillus Posts: 36
    edited May 25
    Someone said that products from other stores that are being released here will likely be Smart Content-able. Can I have more information?

    I bought a product [TX Madison for G9/8/8.1 Premium Bundle] that can not be used as Smart Content and I sent a ticket asking whether the product will be updated to become Smart Content-able, but so far there is no reply.
    Post edited by Vexillus on
  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    @Vexillus the product should be completely Smart Content capable but you will need to add the metadata yourself from scratch. Because she is usable on 3 base characters, G9, G8.1, and G8 you will need to link the morphs/materials to each base character in turn. If you have done this before you should have no issues, it is just tedious. But after you are done, she will show up in Morphs and Materials. I didn't see a character preset listed.

    Earlier in this thread I linked to a YouTube video on how to load metadata if you haven't done this before. This video helped me learn metadata years ago.

    Mary

  • VexillusVexillus Posts: 36
    edited May 26
    @memcneil70 Thank you for this! Creating my metadata was also suggested to me in another thread but I would very much prefer if this were to be implemented at source. Anyways, I can still work through the content pane; it is just a bit more cumbersome.

    I also came upon this thread (https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/684086/daz-where-s-my-metadata-answered-though-not-solved), where someone got a reply from support suggesting that the metadata issue would possibly be sorted at source. I certainly hope that that would be the case and if there are any further developments or information about this, I would like to know!
    Post edited by Vexillus on
  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,937
    edited May 26

    Vexillus said:

    @memcneil70 Thank you for this! Creating my metadata was also suggested to me in another thread but I would very much prefer if this were to be implemented at source. Anyways, I can still work through the content pane; it is just a bit more cumbersome.

    @Vexillus A less cumbersome option (and my longtime personal preference) for accessing items is Content Library > Products > 0-Z. Instead of opening the Content Library and clicking on the Daz folder, look 2 or 3 folders down, and you will find a folder called "Products." Click on it, and a Numero-alphabetic set of folders will open. Click on the first numeral/letter of your desired product and scroll to its appropriate alphabetic place. Initial articles ("the" and "a") are disregarded, and products sporting them are alphabetized according to the next letter afterwards. With the exception of 2 or 3 products, the thousands of products I have purchased here I've found exactly where I'd expect them to be in the Products folder. Bon chance!

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  • VexillusVexillus Posts: 36
    I'll have a look at this. Thanks
  • HeavyRayHeavyRay Posts: 175

    Taoz said:

    Taoz said:

    I've written a small (free) utility (Windows) that makes it easier to check for DAZ/Renderosity duplicates, if anyone care to give it a test run.  It uses an algorithm that translates the product names into store links, it basically seems to work OK with the new vendors but it needs some more testing. 

    ....................

    Can be downloaded here: https://www.3dcontentmanagers.com/freeware/3d-related/chk-dup-daz-rr/

    If anyone should be using the first version, there is an update fixing some issues, however one of those issues is "Check for Updates on Program Start" not working if enabled, so in order to update you

    must use manual update check (Help > Check for Updates).

    Thanks for your duplicate checking utility Rich; works like a champ!!  Happy your Daz database is back in order _AND_ I can't wait for both the new Rendo version and ultimately, the "ULTIMATE 3D CONTENT DATABASE"!   I appreciate all the time and effort you've put into these products!!!   - Ray

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited June 6

    HeavyRay said:

    Thanks for your duplicate checking utility Rich; works like a champ!!  Happy your Daz database is back in order _AND_ I can't wait for both the new Rendo version and ultimately, the "ULTIMATE 3D CONTENT DATABASE"!   I appreciate all the time and effort you've put into these products!!!   - Ray

    You're welcome, glad you find them useful!

    Post edited by Taoz on
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