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By the way 3DAGE can you point in what is wrong, or how can I solve this issue? the red areas aren't quad, do I need to start again? or there's a way to easy solve it?
Thanks in advance.
On that model it should be quite easy.
Link the two vertices (yellow)
Dissolve the lines (edges) with backspase (red)
Sure, but the video id all about how to take clothing models (works for hair, too) that we've made to fit the character, and easily making them fit and follow the character's bends, shapes, etc.,
This means that we can load in a figure, create a model for it in Carrara, then bring that new model into DAZ Studio and turn that maodel into something that we canload onto that figure, but this time it will be fully rigged to follow everything the main figure does. It very powerful - but it's also very simple if you already know how 3d modeling works.
@3DAGE - Very nice car and pistol models! Doesn't suprise me... I like your models.
@otodomus - Glad you're progressing and having fun! Yeah, I enjoy watrching modeling tutorials for other software too. It helps, even if some of the commands that the artist chooses to use don't exist in Carrara. It's mainly the building of the topology that I'm after. I enjoy just doing it myself, but some of these Masters have ways that help with things down the road, so it's really helpful to pick up on that stuff.
:) I really like this thread!
...and the conversion makes those new polygons at the current shape set by the SubD, which is also very beneficial. This lets us actually use our view of SubD smoothing to inform us when it's time to convert, or if we still need to cease this and smooth that... pull these verts a little closer... whatever. It's very handy. As with the advice above, I try to stick with one level of SubD conversion at one time, so that I can once again be more precise with how the conversion works with the next level.
Never preffered modeling in Carrara, so I cannot give you any tips there (I use it sometimes for simple things and some final corrections before rendering), I started my 3D journey with Bryce (which has no poly modeling) so I modeled in Wings at first, I liked standalone modelers since...
Few things which helped me over the years:
Try not to model everything as one mesh, brake it into logical parts and get rid of surfaces which are not visible as you go (makes UV projecting/unwrapping easier later on).
Make sure not to refine your mesh till you cannot add any more details at current resolution.
Use reference photos as much as you can.
Avoid using booleans as your starting point.
Circular surfaces should always have minimum of 6 points, preferably 8.
Avoid triangles as much as you can (they do not subdivide well), if not possible place them in areas which will have least deformation later if mesh is rigged.
Check your mesh against UV grid (plenty of them online or you can make your own) to ensure UV's are not too streched or too different in size across all surfaces.
That is all I can think of for now ...
I have lots of free models on my GoogleDrive (see my sig), feel free to download them and check out how they are modeled, if you have any questions do not hasitate to ask
Done, thanks!
I really need to learn about it, thanks to point me on that!
Oh! I know your work buddy! Its awesome! I have saved many of your models in my personal reference files, I had no idea that you were the author; and yes I will surely take a look to your models and will bother you with tons of questions if you don't mind! hehehe
This is the first time I've heard about Wings, a polygon modeller right? Its nice!
And for those who are following this thread this is the correct mesh on the "T" tube, thanks again Varsel, it was in front of my eyes!
This is the modelling reference I have followed to build the screw, I had to change some parts of the method, but basically started from lines in the vertex modelling room:
control loops?
And how it was done in Carrara, a bit rounded than the first try:
Yeah me neither understand that, what I did was to select the inner loop and extracted along, I think that may be a similar function in whatever the program was intended that mini-tut.
I think that the above tutotial was intended for Maya, but not sure. But if you look closely you see that some mistakes are there, some flats on the top and above the screw...
Not bad at all
It is a good thing that you are not too ambitious, modeling simple shapes is a must in the beginning, I seen people jumping to organic models (they just wanna model that female superhero in their first month, lol) too soon and getting disapointed, learning polygonal modeling (proper way) is a long process...
I started first with modeling things on my desk, like pencil, inkpen, pencil sharpener, a mug and things like that, other more complex shapes will come later with ease
Yes I know what you mean, I am trying to cover all the possible bases to start the journey of a more complex model, or what my job could demand, this is how I have learned to model those basic shapes, back on the day I had the needing to model some parts that couldn't afford, basically by lack of time then I re-take those models and learn how to do them.
Organic shapes... I did a human head the other day in Maya, but at this time I am more focused in the mechanical parts I could need in the day by day...
I did a glipmse to your 3D gallery, is such fantastic! Those renders were done here in Carrara?
Thanks, most of them were rendered in Carrara, few were rendered in Vue and one in Kerkythea (long time ago)
the screw would be tricky to uv map, cant imagine how to unfold it?
I love the modeling room of Carrara and this mini tuto is to keep as reference !
We had a challenge on Carrarators and I used another technique to build a screw.
I did this with a simple plane to which I applied a modifier.
After export/import as .OBJ, I added thickness and smooth in the vertex room.
http://www.bond3d.byethost18.com/index.php?topic=16.msg87#msg87
There is almost always more than one way to model an object in Carrara. For a screw, I might consider starting with a simple corner then extruding along a tightly coiled curved polyline, and then weld with appropriate distance - or more likely, model the screw using a spline model preset and then convert to a vertex object. For uvmapping, might select a line at the tip, use the "loop tool" to extend selection up the screw, and create the first seam (repeat as necessary). I am sure there are better ways, but those come to mind.
Folks that are following this vertex modeling thread (which is great! - thanks Otodomus), might also be interested in an older thread on polygon modeling. It has some great examples by Gareth, Varsel, Roygee,... and also has some links to useful tutorials. Worth skimming through.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/28716/polygon-modeling-post-your-creations-a-new-beginning
I was getting inspired by this, and created a bunch of pipes and bends and valve....
Do you provide the oil too ?
Nice work !
Makes sure to check out his Carrara reel too!
Great stuff, Varsel!
I think that a screw can be easily mapped as it would have a metal texture, but in the case you may need another kind of texture or perhaps a logo on it this works perfect, take a look:
That's really cool! The parts in the movie looks a bit translucent, but I think it was part of what you wanted to create, that's great!
Those pipes are fantastic! Thanks for posting Varsel
Thanks Diomede! It would nice to see those other ways to model the same part, I am trying to figure out what you are saying but having it here would be nice...
Thanks to bring that other thread, it has great more works!
OK friends, time to move on, I wil start a more complex model, and I have a question since is my first time modeling a multi-part model in the vertex room, if I want to create a lets say a machine with multiple parts, what is the way to do it, all of them in the same vertex object and then split out the parts? Or I need to model every part as vertex objects? If is the same vertex object how is the split process? And if is as different objects how can I align them?
Thanks everyone!
Otto
I have a current project in which I will be using a simple shape and a curved polyline so I will show an example from that. I made a mistake but I think the steps might still be helpful. (My mistake was using an edge instead of an interior, which I will be fixing later). It is not a screw, but maybe the concept will still be recognizable.
I am modeling a pair of moccasins. Here is an example of using a simple shape and a sweep path to get a start on some laces. I will be using the central flaps of the moccasins to help define the sweep polyline path.
1) Modeled a pair of low poly moccasins (then copied all the polygons of one shoe mesh)
2) Inserted an new vertex object to be the laces for a moccasin. Pasted the shoe mesh that was copied in step 1.
3) Used construct : oval, and then reduced the scale to a tiny size, which is the circumference of a shoe lace.
4) Chose the curve tool from the polyline menu. Chose the preset that I wanted (pipeline) Then started at the top of one flap and crisscrossed points back and forth down the shoe flaps, and then back up.
5) Selected the oval. Chose Construct : Sweep. Carrara prompts for the polyline sweep path. Clicked the crisscrossed curve that I just made.
6) Carrara swept the oval along the path, but off to the side. No big deal, I selected the new mesh and translated it to the correct place.
7) I deleted the duplicate moccasin mesh, the oval and the polyline.
So, this will work as a concept, but I forgot to make the holes for the laces to go through, so I will have to do it over.