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  • hjakehjake Posts: 894

    Taoz said:

    Is these 4 months a standard offer everyone gets, and then a number of months are added depending on how many months is left of your DAZ+ subscription?  Or is this offer based on my DAZ+ subscription?  I have about 15 months left of it.


     

    Mine said 2 months not 4. My subscription ends 2025-12-06.

  • DAZ_SteveDAZ_Steve Posts: 42

    Dareshiranu said:

    Well, like many I'm currently listed as a basic member and I'm paid up Daz+ through sometime in 2030. It certainly would be nice to get THAT fixed. I can't say that I have any enthusiasm for this Premiere service on offer. I will say that I suspected that something was up when there was such a deeply discounted and long running sale, but I thought it presaged the release of Genesis 10 or something. Daz has a habit of doing stuff like this in advance of releases and (apparently) controversial changes.

    I'm looking in our back end, and it also shows you have an active membership.  If you're seeing it say you're on Daz Basic in the interface please open a support ticket so we can work with you and figure out why.  We'll make sure it gets taken care of.

  • theflarf said:

    For what it's worth with the 'offer' comparison.

    I've got daz+ until June 2025, and my 'offer' is for one month of daz premier. 

     

    Huh. That is the same offer I am getting with a quarterly D+ that  ends mid-November 2024.

    I am probably going to stick with D+ through the December sale. I do most of my shopping 4th quarter since the bulk of my buying is G3 & G8 eras. The vast majority of new/recent products I buy are utilities (like Bone & Prop Minions) with a handful of props and environments. 

    Even it Premier was lower priced or I was offered a better upgrade deal, it wouldn't be worth it for me. Not counting D+ memberships, my Daz spending rarely reaches $25+ in a month, much less in a single cart, so I'd have more trouble using the $10 Off $25 coupon than I do using the $6 Off $18. Also, I have Mesh Grabber and don't have any use for the other DS Premier tools. That's not even counting my dislike of the subscription model of "selling."

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    Elor said:

    Maybe the offer is based on how much everyone paid for their current Daz+ subscription ?

    I think this is probably correct, given how many people have accumulated these extra years by buying discounted subs. Of course members have to weigh up the costs and benefits - is it better to get those free months and then, if they stay, pay the higher sub or is it better to wait out the ending of the existing + sub before deciding - but I don't think it is at all unreasoinable to base the free months on amount paid when that is going to vary so widely.

  • DAZ_SteveDAZ_Steve Posts: 42

    hjake said:

    Taoz said:

    Is these 4 months a standard offer everyone gets, and then a number of months are added depending on how many months is left of your DAZ+ subscription?  Or is this offer based on my DAZ+ subscription?  I have about 15 months left of it.


     

    Mine said 2 months not 4. My subscription ends 2025-12-06.

    It's a different offer for each person.  We take what you paid for the membership you currently have, see how many months of Premier that equates to, then round up (so we give you a full month of Premier instead of a partial one.)

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871
    edited October 7

    Tom 001983 said:

    Do anyone have access to the premier tools like geometry sculptor? They are in my product library, but are not shoving up in Daz Studio. (I guess they are supposed to be visible in the plug-in list, but they are not.)

    They are visible in the plug-in list in the public beta, but they are inactive.

    They are not available in DIM, however the public beta version is.

    Have you use Connect>Connect to log in to your account, assuming you installed them? You do need to do that periodically (I am not sure how often - you can choose not to update metadata if you are worried about messing up custom categorisations, though the current beta incorporates chnages in how metadata comnfl;cits are handled which should reduce such issues).

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940

    hjake said:

    Taoz said:

    Is these 4 months a standard offer everyone gets, and then a number of months are added depending on how many months is left of your DAZ+ subscription?  Or is this offer based on my DAZ+ subscription?  I have about 15 months left of it.


     

    Mine said 2 months not 4. My subscription ends 2025-12-06.

    Mine ends two months later - 2026-02-04.  

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,709

    Mr_Fluffkin said:

    I hope the basic version of DS keeps all nessesary tools, but this all sounds absolutly terrible for what the future will bring. I was so excited when I saw the 25th birthday banner, but all I get from this announcement is "Milk the cow". I'm fine with spending money for models and I left a LOT of money at the Daz store, but at some point it's enough. It's a tragedy that after 25 years we suddenly have to pay €20 a month to continue to be able to use the basic software to its full extent. Happy Birthday...frown

    Nothing has been taken away from the free version. Paying for the Premier membership gives you access to extra tools which are currently paid-for plugins.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    Decided to take the plunge at least one month to test it myself and make my own opinions about it but can't seem to find how to activate it or if it's a different version I have to download. I can see the extra stuff now in my product library but can't do anything with it, not seeing anything new in DIM or inside Daz.

    How exactly do I get access to Daz Studio Premier after subscribing? frown

    Downloasd and install the plug-ins, use the Connect menu to get them activated and to access the subscription linked content (which has to be installed through DS, which does require a metadata update despite my previous post).

  • hjakehjake Posts: 894
    edited October 7

    deleted. Some how my previous post got duplicated. I guess DAZ thought what I had to say was SO important it was worth saying twice. laugh

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    richardandtracy said:

    Not enthused about the breaking of the 'single' version of DS, but it's owned by DAZ, so they can do what they wish with the program.

    There were already two versions - the Standard, which doesn't require a serial, and the Pro, which does.

    It looks to me like the 'Base' level is actually the normal state for a current DAZ user who doesn't pay extra for DAZ+.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    Blood-PawWerewolf said:

    Plus since you can't just click and update your subscription (you have to contact DAZ support), I feel like this is more for the hard core audience, since they've done this before with enterprise level contracts, as well as the time they had a short lived purchase tactic (IIRC, a mystery box or cards?).

    I don't see this as I get a sub (not Premier, I think) as a perk, but you should be able to upgrade via your account.

  • PixelPiePixelPie Posts: 326
    edited October 7

    To subscribe to premier, I must contact support? I put in a ticket... 
     

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  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,395
    It also says I have to contact support to upgrade.
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    eroguysensei said:

    I’m concerned that the team behind Daz Studio may not fully grasp the implications of promoting basic 3D software features like render queue, sculpting, and improved cloth simulation through a monthly subscription model. Should we expect all future enhancements to Daz to be locked behind a paywall? It’s troubling to think that we might be required to pay monthly just to access improvements in the software. They might believe it's offering great value, but for us, these are bare minimum basic essential features that are available for free and often in a much more advanced form in softwares like Blender.

    You can already sculpt, to an extent, with dForms and Push Modifiers through weightmaps. I never purchased a version of Mesh Grabber so I can't say how superior it is, but it isn't essential. As far as I know the dForce tool isn't a new engine but a tool for managing settings, thata re already accessible, more readily or with preset options.

    Instead of creating real value, it feels like they are only creating an illusion of value. There’s already a growing conversation about switching to Blender to future-proof our production needs. Daz's recent strategies have left many feeling uncertain about the future of the software. It seems monetization is prioritized over actual product improvements, leading to a short-term gain that could jeopardize the entire future of the software as users keep finding more reasons to leave and find alternative solutions.

    I genuinely love Daz Studio and want to continue using it. I have invested a lot of money in it. However, I can’t ignore the bleak outlook for the software if they maintain this path. I want to see Daz evolve with better tools and features for creating stunning 3D renders, but not if that means locking these features behind a subscription. I don't want to subscribe to have access to tools in software, it ultimately leads to a worse product and user experience, as future decisions will always be shaped by this flawed subscription approach.

    If the team behind Daz Studio needs additional revenue, I suggest focusing on the asset store by offering more high-quality products to drive sales. Invest in hiring skilled 3D modelers and aim to release top-tier products on a daily or weekly basis. At the same time, continue improving the software with better tools so that Daz Studio becomes an easy recommendation for new users. This approach would not only boost revenue but also help secure the long-term success of the software.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    mikael-aronsson said:

    Wicked Whomp said:

    The more I think on it, the more I'm convinced that Premier is meant for newcomers. The free bundle has no real theme, so seems to be designed to pad someone's library more than anything, and the tools included are all available for purchase separately.

    So that 228 dollars at the end of the year might be a lot for features most of  uslikely already have access to, but to some newbie that just wants to try things out, for a month at 20 bucks it gets them those tools, and a bundle of characters.

    For newcomers, it's worth it, sure.

    For the rest of their long term customer base, they could have, and should have designed this a bit more friendly toward us. We're effectively being paywalled out of updates to those products we already purchased.

    Not so sure, have to admit I have no interest in it so I did not read all details, but as far as I understand the "free" bundles are not free, they are part of the subscription, so if you use them or create any content with them it will only work as long as you subscribe, stop subscribing and nothing based on the "free" bundles will work unless you buy it, this may not be obvious to everyone as it is advertised as "free".

    As long as they don't move features from DS that I already have to subs I don't care much, I don't do subscriptions. 

    This has been answered, but since I had it opened I will just confirm that the free beundles are free, the subscription-linked content is different.

  • DeeceyDeecey Posts: 136

    Not sure if anyone has asked this yet.  I'm assuming all of the content we purchased previous to this will still be "perpetual" ?  I have all of the items that are included in Premiere already. What will happen if I subscribe to premiere? Will they still be useable after that if I already purchased them?

    I hope so ... five figures of content purchased over the years. Would be a shame to lose it all. 8-(

  • MrRogerSmithMrRogerSmith Posts: 108

    Is this what we have to install to access our premiere tools within DS?  The public build-beta versions of this stuff in DIM?

     

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    RadioactiveLily said:

    As a "Base" user, nothing about Premier is drawing me in to buy a membership.  I'm not a content collector and only buy surgically for what I need in the moment.  I already have runtimes full of old Daz+ content from my previous years of being a member.  Currency conversion to Canadian Dollars just makes it even less appealing.  I guess I'm just not the customer you're looking for.

    But I do worry about what I am losing.  Lesser discounts, higher cost on useless tokens that expire long before I can use them anyway.  Am I going to end up with a sub-par version of the program itself at this rate?  Should I just toss the towel in and go back to a Midjourney sub?

    Token "cost" for members is still 1 per $10, non-members ("Base") it has gone up to 1 per $15, and Premier members now get 1 per $5.

    I feel for you Daz+ members that aren't getting the full value of your memberships.  You absolutely should be getting what the membership is worth and not the price you paid for it, or whatever it is they're doing.

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988

    $18 a month? Last time I got DAZ+ I got it for about $20 a year, LOL

    In any case, this is absolutely not for me so whatever thoughts I have are ultimately moot.

    Of course that doesn't stop me from joining the conversation...

     

    What I hope, above everything, is that the free tier doesn't disappear and doesn't get diminished in the long run.

    Of course DAZ is telling us right now that nothing changes for users without memberships. Of course they would say that.

    I just really, really hope this remains true in the long run.

     

    Nath said:

    From the Premier page: Exclusive content, that "is active as long as Subscription is active". Great, rented content, just what I never wanted. Even assuming that it's content I'm interested in to begin with.

    Everything is a subscription now. I've long gotten rid of most subscriptions in my life, I don't even have Netflix or Spotify anymore. Hard pass.

     

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    Personally, I'm only really interested in the Geometry Sculptor which doesn't seem to be the same as Mesh Grabber as I think some people are saying.

    Agreed, this is the one aspect I would be interested in. Would love to know if it's different from Mesh Grabber, and how.

    Perhaps this will finally motivate me to learn Blender...

     

    karl said:

    The thing I hate about Daz is the complex pricing. I hardly buy anything now because it is all "buy this to get this for this with this". Now they're making it even more complicated. Slow clap.

    Could not agree more. I've long stopped paying attention to any sale that takes me more than a few split-seconds to understand, and it's been really freeing. With yet another complication stacked on, it looks like I'll be paying even less attention in the future.

  • MalandarMalandar Posts: 776

    Taoz said:

    Is these 4 months a standard offer everyone gets, and then a number of months are added depending on how many months is left of your DAZ+ subscription?  Or is this offer based on my DAZ+ subscription?  I have about 15 months left of it.


    Noi it's not standsrd, in fact    everyone gets something different, I have 13 months left they offered me 2 months someone else has 4.5 YEARS and they only offered them 8 months...

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    Deecey said:

    Not sure if anyone has asked this yet.  I'm assuming all of the content we purchased previous to this will still be "perpetual" ?  I have all of the items that are included in Premiere already. What will happen if I subscribe to premiere? Will they still be useable after that if I already purchased them?

    I hope so ... five figures of content purchased over the years. Would be a shame to lose it all. 8-(

    Perevviously purchased content and most new content is perpetual, it is a specific seelction of items that are free to Premier members while their membership lasts

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,871

    MrRogerSmith said:

    Is this what we have to install to access our premiere tools within DS?  The public build-beta versions of this stuff in DIM?

    Install and then log in from within Daz Studio

  • DeeceyDeecey Posts: 136

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Deecey said:

    Not sure if anyone has asked this yet.  I'm assuming all of the content we purchased previous to this will still be "perpetual" ?  I have all of the items that are included in Premiere already. What will happen if I subscribe to premiere? Will they still be useable after that if I already purchased them?

    I hope so ... five figures of content purchased over the years. Would be a shame to lose it all. 8-(

    Perevviously purchased content and most new content is perpetual, it is a specific seelction of items that are free to Premier members while their membership lasts

     

    Thanks for the quick clarification, Richard. You rock!

  • Malandar said:

    Taoz said:

    Is these 4 months a standard offer everyone gets, and then a number of months are added depending on how many months is left of your DAZ+ subscription?  Or is this offer based on my DAZ+ subscription?  I have about 15 months left of it.


    Noi it's not standsrd, in fact    everyone gets something different, I have 13 months left they offered me 2 months someone else has 4.5 YEARS and they only offered them 8 months...

     

    I can't see my current membership, but it is measured in years. Checked a couple of browsers, haven't received any particular offers. 

    Understand the Daz team are fairly small, but their systems are always a little frustrating and user unfriendly to navigate. This situation, in particular, is wasting some time a little. I'm hoping they will actually just fix this in the next day or two without a ticket / send us a useful FAQ. 

  • MrRogerSmithMrRogerSmith Posts: 108

    Richard Haseltine said:

    MrRogerSmith said:

    Is this what we have to install to access our premiere tools within DS?  The public build-beta versions of this stuff in DIM?

    Install and then log in from within Daz Studio

    Install error.  Do I need to be using the public beta version of Daz to have these premier tools?  I thought they were supposed to be a part of our regular Daz studio.

     

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  • chibicdchibicd Posts: 5

    It should not matter what we paid...

    If DAZ+ is now $9.99 a month, then each month we have remaining is valued at $9.99.

    If we are not being given the full value of our subscription, then it's a BAD DEAL!

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,709

    Deecey said:

    Not sure if anyone has asked this yet.  I'm assuming all of the content we purchased previous to this will still be "perpetual" ?  I have all of the items that are included in Premiere already. What will happen if I subscribe to premiere? Will they still be useable after that if I already purchased them?

    I hope so ... five figures of content purchased over the years. Would be a shame to lose it all. 8-(

    Only the "premier exclusive" content (AFAIK there is none so far) and the access to the "premium tools" are linked to having an actived membership. Anything else, including the free bundles you can get during your membership, is still regular perpetual purchases.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,709

    MrRogerSmith said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    MrRogerSmith said:

    Is this what we have to install to access our premiere tools within DS?  The public build-beta versions of this stuff in DIM?

    Install and then log in from within Daz Studio

    Install error.  Do I need to be using the public beta version of Daz to have these premier tools?  I thought they were supposed to be a part of our regular Daz studio.

    That specific package is labelled as "public build" so it's meant to be installed in the beta. Not sure if there's a version for the general release too as I'm not a premier member.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    If you collect the DAZ Original character bundles, with the added discounts and the free DO bundle per month, it is worth the subscription. It's too pricey for me now though, maybe sometime in the 2nd half of 2026.

    What I would subscribe to now, even though, strictly speaking, I don't need it, would be the enhancements to DAZ Studio aka known with those enhancements as DAZ Studio Premier, for $5 a month, for that sounds fair, if they add in HD sculpting and add in conversion to strand hair, it's much more tempting. 

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